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p.8 #1 · what is '3d' ?


50/1.7?


Nov 14, 2009 at 12:30 AM
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p.8 #2 · what is '3d' ?


helimat wrote:
50/1.7?


Bingo!

The lowly 50/1.7 on a Canon 30D. It is a very fine lens, and actually seems
sharper for close-in subjects than the CZ 50/1.4 I had.



Nov 14, 2009 at 12:33 AM
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p.8 #3 · what is '3d' ?


Yea, the image looked 50ish in perspective to me, and then I cheated and checked your gear list. I recently picked one up too, more so for stopped down type stuff though.


Nov 14, 2009 at 12:43 AM
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p.8 #4 · what is '3d' ?


Yes, it excels when stopped down. An excellent landscape lens.


Nov 14, 2009 at 12:46 AM
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p.8 #5 · what is '3d' ?


Alf Beharie wrote:
Actually I think the f3.5 one has better 3D because the watering can spout stands out more against the more blurred background than in the f8 shot. However for the best effect you should copy the f8 watering can spout onto the f3.5 watering can spout with photoshop. This will give an even sharper spout standing out against a more blurred background and thus it will look more 3D.




This is crux of the what people consider to be "3-D". To me, "3-D" is not the illusion of space between objects -- which is easily done by opening up the lens to increase differential focus. To me, and I believe many others, "3-D" is the ability to create a compelling illusion of a form in 3 dimensions. In this image, 3-D is about the watering can and how the watering can appears to the viewer. It's not about the separation between the watering can and the background.




Nov 14, 2009 at 07:41 AM
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p.8 #6 · what is '3d' ?


In this image, 3-D is about the watering can and how the watering can appears to the viewer. It's not about the separation between the watering can and the background.



+1 @ what I'm trying to achieve ... how'd I do ??





Nov 14, 2009 at 09:29 AM
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p.8 #7 · what is '3d' ?


trumpet_guy ... quit that ... at least until after I get my 50 1.7


Nov 14, 2009 at 09:30 AM
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p.8 #8 · what is '3d' ?


Lotusm50 wrote:
This is crux of the what people consider to be "3-D". To me, "3-D" is not the illusion of space between objects -- which is easily done by opening up the lens to increase differential focus. To me, and I believe many others, "3-D" is the ability to create a compelling illusion of a form in 3 dimensions. In this image, 3-D is about the watering can and how the watering can appears to the viewer. It's not about the separation between the watering can and the background.



But the separation between the watering can and the background is very important in giving a 3D effect...The sharper you make the watering can in relation to the background the greater the 3D effect.



Nov 14, 2009 at 02:56 PM
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p.8 #9 · what is '3d' ?


RustyBug wrote:
trumpet_guy ... quit that ... at least until after I get my 50 1.7


You dont want the 50/1.7, trust me. My Canon FL 55mm f1.2 leaves it for dust.



Nov 14, 2009 at 02:57 PM
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p.8 #10 · what is '3d' ?


Alf Beharie wrote:
But the separation between the watering can and the background is very important in giving a 3D effect...The sharper you make the watering can in relation to the background the greater the 3D effect.



I guess we'll have to essentially disagree about that -- basically I think we are talking about 2 different things.




Nov 14, 2009 at 03:09 PM
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p.8 #11 · what is '3d' ?


Yes, Alf is talking about a sense of depth, which is separate from the 3D effect, which is the sense of form.


Nov 14, 2009 at 04:32 PM
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p.8 #12 · what is '3d' ?


carstenw ... that's a VERY good way of explaining the diff, makes sense. Of course, having both can be a good thing




Nov 14, 2009 at 07:34 PM
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p.8 #13 · what is '3d' ?


David, thanks for a truly lovely shot. But, to my eye, your explanation does not fit. To me (this thread shows divergence on what is "3D"), both your shots have more or less the same 3D. The second one is only sharper, which makes it more obvious. To me 3D is not a form of sharpness. Zeiss lenses which seem to shine more often than most in this area are not, IMHO, sharper than Leica lenses which are not renowned for 3D. Just my 2 cents.


Nov 15, 2009 at 01:36 PM
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p.8 #14 · what is '3d' ?


I would go a bit further and say that the first shot looks soft and the second one over-sharpened.


Nov 15, 2009 at 02:26 PM
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p.8 #15 · what is '3d' ?


What do you think about this one? Any 3D?

Zeiss Alpha 16-35/2.8 at 35mm f/2.8

http://ic2.pbase.com/o6/00/471900/1/119446419.2mFYcUTz.DSC04942.JPG



Nov 16, 2009 at 12:51 PM
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p.8 #16 · what is '3d' ?


carstenw wrote:
I would go a bit further and say that the first shot looks soft and the second one over-sharpened.


+1



Nov 16, 2009 at 01:00 PM
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p.8 #17 · what is '3d' ?


edwardkaraa wrote:
What do you think about this one? Any 3D?

Zeiss Alpha 16-35/2.8 at 35mm f/2.8

http://ic2.pbase.com/o6/00/471900/1/119446419.2mFYcUTz.DSC04942.jpg


Yes, I think it does, a bit.



Nov 16, 2009 at 01:01 PM
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p.8 #18 · what is '3d' ?


Enough for my requirements...:-)


Nov 16, 2009 at 02:04 PM
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p.8 #19 · what is '3d' ?


Does this photo have this 3D effect?

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3423/3818905609_55c8e71744.jpg

(NOTE: I did not take this photo. I decided to link it here to try to understand what this effect really is. For the sake of not plagiarizing, PM me for the actual source.)



Nov 17, 2009 at 11:54 PM
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p.8 #20 · what is '3d' ?


It's tough to detect such effects in a small image.
My first impression is that I don't notice much 3D in the image.
Where's the source?



Nov 18, 2009 at 12:09 AM
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