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p.1 #1 · For those interested in the G11...


Recently my 4 year old insisted that he be able to take a picture with my trusty P&S - Sony DSC-P150. Sure enough he dropped it and now it does not work. This, of course, gave me the excuse to buy the new G11 (my wife rolled her eyes at this). So, for those of you who might be interested in how this little camera performs (I know most of us on this forum are paying attention to the new 7D and any shots of the new 1DMIV) I am posting a few snaps from a recent conference that I attended in Baltimore. Overall, I’d say the G11 feels and performs more like a P & S than a DSLR substitute, but it does have decent high ISO performance that allowed me to capture more shots than I normally would. I don’t find the speed of the camera particularly impressive – still miss shots of fast action. However, the G11 did enable me to take these shots which were in the morning or early evening, which is generally when I have time at conferences. Of course these are the times when the light is low and typical a P& S will struggle without flash. In general, I am pleased with this purchase and it gives me something to think about and play with until the new 1DMIV is available.

ISO 400 f8 1/13 s

http://mlschrag.smugmug.com/Travel/Baltimore/dragons/690592456_dyadz-O.jpg

ISO 800 f8 1/50s

http://mlschrag.smugmug.com/Travel/Baltimore/mast/691971883_XUmZX-XL.jpg

ISO 800 f4.5 1/50s

http://mlschrag.smugmug.com/Travel/Baltimore/pulley/692011002_5YpaG-O.jpg

ISO 800 f3.5 1/50s This is a good example of a picture I have never obtained with a P&S camera but is now possible with better ISO noise

http://mlschrag.smugmug.com/Travel/Baltimore/white-jelly-2/690593345_dvAKP-O.jpg

ISO 800 f4 1/50s (rope)

http://mlschrag.smugmug.com/Travel/Baltimore/rope/692016416_T9xmn-XL.jpg

Noise example at 400 ISO crop

http://mlschrag.smugmug.com/Travel/Baltimore/ISO-400/690592977_G6hLo-O.jpg

Noise example at 800 ISO crop. Not too bad for a small sensor.

http://mlschrag.smugmug.com/Travel/Baltimore/ISO-800/690593149_Jh4YN-O.jpg

Noise example at 800 ISO crop a little NR applied.

http://mlschrag.smugmug.com/Travel/Baltimore/ISO-800-NR/690593097_pDEeR-O.jpg

noise example at 1600 ISO full pic. This is the point where I begin to think the noise is getting noticeable. Others I am sure will have a different threshold of tolerance.

http://mlschrag.smugmug.com/Travel/Baltimore/slainte/692040043_2sFau-O.jpg

noise example at 1600 ISO crop

http://mlschrag.smugmug.com/Travel/Baltimore/slainte-crop/692039885_wJokr-O.jpg

noise example at 1600 ISO crop a little NR applied

http://mlschrag.smugmug.com/Travel/Baltimore/slainte-crop-NR/692039746_ER44L-O.jpg



Oct 25, 2009 at 01:19 PM
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p.1 #2 · For those interested in the G11...


Very interesting, thanks! I have the G10 and find it quite sluggish, too. Not exactly a decisive moment camera. But that was what I expected anyway. The high ISO shots look much better than the ones from the G10 to my eye. I'd say your four year old had the right idea.

Antje



Oct 25, 2009 at 03:52 PM
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p.1 #3 · For those interested in the G11...


Thanks a ton for posting these samples, I'm very impressed with iso800. I personally would call the 1600 borderline unusable, but if it's just for web, and with some nr it should be fine. Personal preference I know. How did you feel about using it manually? Are the controls well mapped, or do you have to hit xxxx button plus xxxx button in order to adjust xxx feature?




Oct 25, 2009 at 05:44 PM
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Wow, these look great for a small sensor P&S. As noisy as the ISO1600 is, I don't see much of the blotchy chroma noise.


Oct 25, 2009 at 06:04 PM
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I just got a G11 a few days ago. I won't be ever using it over iso400, I'm too spoiled by 5DII and L primes, but I got it for two very specific purposes; macro and daylight strobing (it syncs at 1/2000s).


Oct 25, 2009 at 06:36 PM
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p.1 #6 · For those interested in the G11...


Corndog -

I am an aperture priority shooter for 99% of what I do. I found the G11 controls to be very usable and easy to operate. ISO is set with a dial on the top of the camera as well as the Av mode. F-stop with the wheel on the back. When the camera thinks the shutter speed is too slow several warnings flash to alert you. AE lock is accomplished with the * button and focus lock is achieved through 1/2 press of the shutter button. There may be other configurations but I have not figured them out yet.

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Oct 25, 2009 at 09:03 PM
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n0b0 wrote:
Wow, these look great for a small sensor P&S. As noisy as the ISO1600 is, I don't see much of the blotchy chroma noise.


If you intentionally shoot to the right, ISO 1600 is not too bad and certainly ISO 800 looks just fine (at least to me). Very impressive.



Oct 25, 2009 at 09:05 PM
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Well considering the rubbish output above ISO 200 of most P&S cameras this is a huge improvement and Canon finally seems to have caught up to Fuji (only took them 3-4 years).


Oct 25, 2009 at 09:08 PM
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Better late than never right?


Oct 26, 2009 at 01:06 AM
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I had a mad moment (well, a few of them, actually) and two weeks ago I had the G11, DP2, GF1 (with the 20/1.7), G1 (with the 14-45, adapters for Oly lenses, etc.), and the LX-3....

I had lent the LX-3 to an architect friend of mine who uses mostly the 24mm end to document work in progress; but I asked for it back when the firmware update appeared. So, I had all of these nice little toys to compare, and a bit of time to do so.

I have kept the G1/14–45 and the G11; brief reasons follow:

the GF1 with the 20/1.7 is a lovely all-around camera; fast to focus and very sharp, even wide open. That combination's ergonomics are great, but the GF1 is not so great with any heavier or larger lenses—and these change the shape enough so that there is no portability advantage over the G1 when anything but the 20 is attached. Ad to that no built-in finder, poorer ergonomics with heavier/bulkier lenses attached, and a plug-in finder that has about half the rez of the G1 finder and an identical sensor... Sold this one while it was hot.

The G1, OTOH, because of its grip and built-in finder, is magic with alt. glass where the extra weight is no problem. The finder is really good, good enough to MF with without effort. The cheapo kit lens provides a nice range (but I am considering some of the Oly alternatives as well as the Panny 14–140). Kept this one.

The DP2 makes the sharpest images out of the camera, but has a really noisy focussing sound. Loud enough to intrigue the cats (made some nice images that way!) but with its fixed lens, too much of a one-trick pony, for me. Very good images, though, and excellent highlight ability (best of the lot). This one I sold.

The LX-3 has a fast 24mm lens, but only a 60mm EFOV on the long end. 90 EFOV and I would not have returned it: it really is the only pocketable camera in this bunch. This one I gave back to the architect (who decided to buy it).

The G11 has real distortion on the 28mm end, but DPP corrects this really very well. The long end looks a bit soft, and I have not shot enough in the intermediate ranges to comment on whether the 90–100mm EFOV length has an advantage here. But the interface is great: dials, buttons galore and some degree of customisation, too. Like the OP, I find the higher ISOs to be the best I have seen from a small sensor camera, so I kept it. FWIW, I have found the 'face recognition' setting on the AF to be fast and quite effective; refocussing usually chooses a better point if the first one is ineffective.

I think people with heavy and heavy duty DSLRs are getting closer to a pocketable (well, pant pocket, anyway) camera that can go everywhere with us, and getting closer to producing web- and small-print-aceptable IQ standards.

Interesting times.



Oct 26, 2009 at 03:20 AM
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p.1 #11 · For those interested in the G11...


thanks for the shots & comments. these are good shots that people might want to leave the dSLR home and hope to have a nice pocketable camera.

it makes you realize a rebel XT and cheapest 18-55 kit lens is undervalued and that canon is missing a prime opportunity to get sales with a mirrorless APS-C body that takes EF or even just EF-S glass. especially to those who value good picture quality.

I was just to inner harbor myself & caught the jellyfish exhibit (1D3/16-35) and while these shots are not bad they don't make the G11 look attractive as the "leave the dSLR home" solution. that's a bummer cause so many of us would purchase that body if it were.

The jellyfish pic looks photoshopped a bit? (no debris in the water) and the outdoor shots look pretty brutal in IQ for a $499 camera (especially since they're downrezzed for the web). if the G11 "feels like a P&S camera" that is the real deal breaker since it's quite bulky & not easily pocketable. the fact that other P&S camera suck also doesn't make the G11 any more useful for these shots.

galenapass wrote:
Recently my 4 year old insisted that he be able to take a picture with my trusty P&S - Sony DSC-P150. Sure enough he dropped it and now it does not work. This, of course, gave me the excuse to buy the new G11 (my wife rolled her eyes at this). So, for those of you who might be interested in how this little camera performs (I know most of us on this forum are paying attention to the new 7D and any shots of the new 1DMIV) I am posting a few snaps from a recent conference that I
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Oct 26, 2009 at 10:17 AM
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p.1 #12 · For those interested in the G11...


I've had mine for about 2 weeks now and am enjoying it very much. Not much I don't like about it except the one button that I keep accidently hitting when I go to pick it up.. right where your place your thumb. Not much room on the back for thumbs and fingers.

The swivel LCD is perfect for those that wear glasses and have a hard time viewing a fixed LCD.
The overall layout, controls and function are very intuitive and easy to maneuver.

Threw my 580 EX II on it the other day and was very happy with the results.

I've got a LensMate adapter coming so I can attach a CP and UV filter. I have plenty of 77mm filters so I opted not to get a 72mm until I see if it vignettes using a 77mm step up ring.

It isn't a DSLR but I've got those for other uses. For a walk around camera it's perfect for what I was looking for and the results are more than satisfactory.

I'm glad I waited and didn't purchase a G10 just for the swivel LCD alone.

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Oct 26, 2009 at 11:03 AM
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Pixel Perfect wrote:
Well considering the rubbish output above ISO 200 of most P&S cameras this is a huge improvement and Canon finally seems to have caught up to Fuji (only took them 3-4 years).



Has canon started smearing jpeg artifacts all over their images like the Fuji 30/31s? My Fuji ended up being given away in a few months.

I replaced with a G9 which is a nice camera but still images start falling about after ISO 400.

I just started using a GF1 as a carry anywhere camera and it is very nice.



Oct 26, 2009 at 11:05 AM
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p.1 #14 · For those interested in the G11...


G10 doesn't have a swivel LCD.


Oct 26, 2009 at 11:26 AM
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Cool shots, thanks for posting.

I played with the G11 but I had already decided I would get the S90 for these reasons:

1. F 2.0 Lens at 28mm
2. Higher res bigger screen
3. Two control wheels
4. Smaller and lighter, can fit in a pocket
5. Slightly less expensive

The G11 felt great, a nice solid brick in your hand, and has a longer zoom, optical view finder, hot shoe and can take converters...but seriously, I never bring around a flash with me to throw on my p&s of all things

I really love my S90. The screen, front click wheel, and lens already make it better for me than the G11, plus it's so easy to carry around, and has identical image quality. AND it can shoot in raw, once only the domain of the G series. So I'm wondering, what made you decide to go G11?



Oct 26, 2009 at 11:35 AM





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