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Archive 2009 · Lightroom 3 Beta now available

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SAllem wrote:

My understanding is that Luminance Noise Reduction is taken out of LR3.

Disabled - temporarily - so that people can focus on being impressed by the chroma NR.

And it is quite good, I have to say.

Oct 23, 2009 at 04:48 PM

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***Places hands at temples, closes eyes to commune with the inner photo truth***

I see a raft of digital-images-to-look-like-Cartier-Bresson w/grain & vignette to be an upcoming trend

Daan B wrote:

Some new features:

- Film grain simulation tool for enhancing your images to look as gritty as you want

Oct 23, 2009 at 04:52 PM

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p.3 #3 · Lightroom 3 Beta now available

Daan B wrote:
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Daan B wrote:
I hope the final version is supported by Mac OS 10.4...

Good luck. Why are you still stuck on 10.4? If nothing else, it looks ugly

I was about to take care of that by switching from my iMac to a MacPro... But all my money has gone to freakin' Canon stuff

... and as a result of the bigger files now you really need a MacPro

No worries, LR2 uses only 5.5 of my 16 virtual cores - at its peak, more often than not it's running only at 2 cores. LR3 is actually worse, but yes yes I know it's a beta and a miracle will happen.

Maybe get the i5 iMac 27"

Oct 23, 2009 at 04:58 PM

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Is this a new version of LR, or is it an upgrade? What I mean by this is, can I download an update and my 2.5 be 3, or will I have to buy 3 over 2?

Oct 23, 2009 at 05:03 PM

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RobertLynn wrote:
Is this a new version of LR, or is it an upgrade? What I mean by this is, can I download an update and my 2.5 be 3, or will I have to buy 3 over 2?

Lightroom 3 when released will be a new version. If you own LR 2, you'll be able to upgrade at upgrade pricing.

Oct 23, 2009 at 05:06 PM

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Littlefield wrote:
So I guess LR 3 will be more then a basic upgrade and we will have to pay 90 or so dollars ?

All the whole number upgrades (1 to 2, 2 to 3) are major version upgrades, i.e. new programs. So yeah, it'll cost a few dollars.

Oct 23, 2009 at 05:23 PM

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keithreeder wrote:
SAllem wrote:

My understanding is that Luminance Noise Reduction is taken out of LR3.

Disabled - temporarily - so that people can focus on being impressed by the chroma NR.

And it is quite good, I have to say.

Better than v2 or just stronger? They bragged about not having to move the slider over as much as before to remove noise, but is it really better?

Oct 23, 2009 at 05:24 PM

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Yohan Pamudji wrote:
Littlefield wrote:
So I guess LR 3 will be more then a basic upgrade and we will have to pay 90 or so dollars ?

All the whole number upgrades (1 to 2, 2 to 3) are major version upgrades, i.e. new programs. So yeah, it'll cost a few dollars.

Educational D/C on Adobe LR2, makes it like 80 bucks full vers,.

Oct 23, 2009 at 05:32 PM

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p.3 #9 · Lightroom 3 Beta now available

I'm excited about this... if only because it should spur Apple to release Aperture 3.0 around the same time or slightly before. Someone found a May 2010 release for an Aperture 3 How-To book... so one may hope.

I'd really hate to have to switch to LR... the workflow and organization with Aperture is, in my opinion, just so much better. But LR really trumps Aperture in a few measures... and I'm tempted. I'll hold out another 6 months...

Oct 23, 2009 at 05:34 PM

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p.3 #10 · Lightroom 3 Beta now available

Anybody using the beta version on a regular basis? Just wondering how stable &/or buggy it is ...

Oct 23, 2009 at 05:38 PM

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thanks it looks pretty good, the should have called lightroom 2.6

Oct 23, 2009 at 05:39 PM

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p.3 #12 · Lightroom 3 Beta now available

yes The chroma noise reduction is very good. the images are crisper than older lightroom and current bridge.

Oct 23, 2009 at 05:59 PM

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globalkiwi wrote:
Anybody using the beta version on a regular basis? Just wondering how stable &/or buggy it is ...

It's stable (no crashes), and it's buggy. My main gripes are insanely slow import speed / reliability (skips images that I dragged in), the fact that the scroll wheel on the mouse doesn't work in the film strip in develop mode, and the occasional redraw glitch which fixes itself. Image quality is better.

Oct 23, 2009 at 06:14 PM

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anorphirith wrote:
thanks it looks pretty good, the should have called lightroom 2.6

Based on the current feature-list, I would tend to agree! But if they did that, they wouldn't be able to charge the upgrade fee for existing users. BTW--the current retail for LR 2.x is $299. The upgrade to 3.x will cost 2.x users $99.

I still think that all those "import" and "export" improvements are less important than the fundamental improvements in the noise reduction and sharpening. But feature-wise, I would have preferred lens distortion correction a la PTLens. Or Nik Viveza and U-Point like functionality (also found in Capture NX).

Oct 23, 2009 at 07:13 PM

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stanj wrote:
... and as a result of the bigger files now you really need a MacPro

Yeah, my current system is really only optimized for 10-12MP files... D@mn those 21MP's

Oct 23, 2009 at 08:34 PM

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globalkiwi wrote:
Anybody using the beta version on a regular basis? Just wondering how stable &/or buggy it is ...

It is not just about bugs, some functionality is actually disabled for the beta. They are really trying to steer users to test certain things.

Oct 23, 2009 at 08:50 PM

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Yohan Pamudji wrote:

Better than v2 or just stronger? They bragged about not having to move the slider over as much as before to remove noise, but is it really better?

Can't really comment, Yohan - I don't use Lr much because I'm not that keen on the IQ results, and never apply Lr NR if I do use it.

I can say that initial impressions of Lr 3's IQ - and noise handling in particular - is pretty positive.

Oct 23, 2009 at 11:23 PM

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p.3 #18 · Lightroom 3 Beta now available

This photo was originally shot with an EV of -1.5 to prevent the highlights from blowing out (EXIF included). The files came straight out of LR3 and LR2.5 without any PhotoChopping. I also copied all the settings between the LR versions.

To my eyes, LR3's sharpening is improved--less blotchy looking, and preserves the finer details better. Also, it seems like the new "engine" has better color saturation. There's just a little more "pop" with the LR3 processed file.

#1a. Shot with a Tammy 28-75mm @ f5.6:
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#1b. Here's a 100% crop near the center from the LR3 file:
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#1c. Here's a 100% crop near the center from the LR2.5 file:
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Oct 23, 2009 at 11:35 PM

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p.3 #19 · Lightroom 3 Beta now available

crap that sample posted above me has me excited to install the beta tonight!

Oct 24, 2009 at 01:49 AM

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p.3 #20 · Lightroom 3 Beta now available

That's a pretty compelling example. The color could probably be duplicated in v2.5 with a little more saturation, but it looks like v3 is resolving detail better. Am I seeing that right? The foliage looks a lot more natural to me in the v3 version. I don't do many shots with fine detail so I haven't really had a problem with v2.5, but if this is how good v3 is comparatively I'm very impressed. They skimped on the big surface feature changes (UI, processing options, etc.), but their claims about a completely new RAW engine might have some merit after all.

Anybody else have thoughts on v3 vs. v2.5 in terms of detail?

Oct 24, 2009 at 03:02 AM

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p.3 #21 · Lightroom 3 Beta now available

Look carefully at the water in the lower left corner. I think I am seeing something there that I am finding in my testing. Even without any grain added, LR3 seems to add some of the film grain. I don't care for that at all.

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/827544/0#7681851

Oct 24, 2009 at 03:10 AM

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p.3 #22 · Lightroom 3 Beta now available

I'd rather have the detail and the (completely unobtrusive unless viewed at 100%) "grain" myself - I can fix the tiny additional noise burden in the next PP stage if I need to, but lost detail is gone forever.

This is getting perilously close to a Lightroom I'd readily use...

Oct 24, 2009 at 03:17 AM

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justruss wrote:
I'm excited about this... if only because it should spur Apple to release Aperture 3.0 around the same time or slightly before. Someone found a May 2010 release for an Aperture 3 How-To book... so one may hope.

I'd really hate to have to switch to LR... the workflow and organization with Aperture is, in my opinion, just so much better. But LR really trumps Aperture in a few measures... and I'm tempted. I'll hold out another 6 months...

I'd be curious to hear what specifically you like about Aperture over Lightroom. Perhaps in its own thread?

Oct 24, 2009 at 03:29 AM

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p.3 #24 · Lightroom 3 Beta now available

Hmm. Does Lightroom support non-destructive plugins? Improving built-in noise reduction and sharpening is silly when they could be supporting plugins and letting partners do that work. Not that I mind it, just sort of a waste.

I think they would have needed to add video editing to call this a 3.0 release instead of 2.6

Oct 24, 2009 at 03:30 AM

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p.3 #25 · Lightroom 3 Beta now available

I have to say, I shot some stuff at 1600 on the 30D and a 85/1.8 last night. I don't have LR2, but I do have Photoshop CS4. I downloaded the LR3 demo last night... I really still see PS as a valuable tool, but LR is like bridge and basic elements of PS rolled into one.

Like said above, LR3 does add a bit of film grain, BUT...I found the detail in my 1600 RAW shots to be unbelievable...Sharpness is relative I suppose, but I really was impressed at how much detail was there.

I'd gladly take the trade off of a bit more grain in this case.

Here is the shot...
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Here is the 100% crop
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These were default out of LR with the "punch" filter applied...no extra sharpening or anything besides cropping. They might not be that great...I don't know how good of a test the 30D is...but I'm really pleased with the results

Oct 24, 2009 at 04:08 AM


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