Paul Buff wrote:
Ever see a Paul C. Buff thread that didn't do exactly the reverse . . . become a thread about some other light? I did not introduce any commercialism here any more than if someone said Alienbees are great . . . they perform magic, and someone else (a competitor for example) said "that's BS - no magic here . . . brand x can do the same thing . . . what is claimed, or believed to be claimed is wrong and misunderstood."
That's not hijacking a thread . . . it's correcting bad information in a thread based on a fantasy misunderstanding of the original topic content or the meaning of EU numbers, or believing in the physically impossible because they doesn't understand what it's actually about.
Your'e welcome (to the world of accurate scientific analysis). ...Show more →
Actually, if you look at the most recent 2 threads regarding PCB products you will see:
"Just ordered cybercommander" Has NO mention of other brands/their products.
"PCB Eintein!! New" YOU brought up Elinchrom strobes (obviously bashing them, and saying they aren't really weatherproof...until shoebox9 comes along to defend their weatherproof-ness...which, btw, I can concur with him on that). Aside from you trying to put down a competitor's product, no one else discussed any other brands/rpducts.
Admittadly, I didn't have the time or interest to read through the whole PCB high output BD thread )third most recent thread), but in skimming it, the only other dish you really see compared often is the older version of your BD. So again, nobody's bringing up other brands....and certainly not the ceo/owner/boss/whatever of a lighting company.
Oh, and could you please stop trying to put down their stuff as fiction (even though hensel didn't claim any numbers), and acting like you opened my eyes to "scientific reality"....at least until you can release one of the varieties of the forever just-on-the-horizon future light that you'll be making? Too many claims and not enough backing it up with production units/real life lights for you to act so self-righteous as if you're the only one who understands lights.
Thanks.
(now please stop threadjacking)
Paul Buff wrote:
By the way, you are in the 6% that would rather I not post here, not in the 88% that think I should because I supply information they want to see. Check the pool - you're not the ONLY one, you're one of the few.
And while this was directed at Brent, not me....I take offense to this as well. I'm also part of that vocal minority....but I think if you look at who makes up this supposed 6%, you'd see that it's largely made up by the most active forum members, who post the most information/help to others, and who keep these threads alive.
I actually have no problem with you posting info or clarifying info about your products. I have a problem with you constantly peddling your products and then saying that's not why your here. Not once in this thread did anyone say anything about your products or that hensel was better (which they are by the way), but you have constantly posted about your new lights for comparison.
Just be honest, you care about selling your products. You could give a shit about this site or the people that post here if they weren't part of your customer base. I don't see you posting in the pro part of Luminous landscape were the majority of guys use profoto or bron and a digital back...
The missing percentage expressed a desire for nobody but other shooters here. The 88% wanted me and/or me plus other manufacturers. I said nothing bad about Hensel - I believe I complimented them. I resent your statement that I don't give a xxx about this site or the people who post here. I am proud of how Fred manages this site and the largely constructive info that it appears here. Now negative and baseless statements like yours . . . I'm not so proud off. But whatever cranks your tractor.
cathpah wrote:
And while this was directed at Brent, not me....I take offense to this as well. I'm also part of that vocal minority....but I think if you look at who makes up this supposed 6%, you'd see that it's largely made up by the most active forum members, who post the most information/help to others, and who keep these threads alive.
Nowhere did I bash Hensel or Elinchrom. I compared Elinchrom studio flash (RX600) with regard to water safety in response to a poster who felt my product was less than safe because of the top vents. I clarified that neither RX600 nor Einstein was designed for rain gigs, and that the Ranger was.
I never bashed Hensel - just the technologically inept posters who drew totally wrong conclusions from their interpretation of a U Tube clip - drawing conclusions based on perceived magic rather than scientific reality. I have nothing against Hensel or Elinchrom or any other legitimate manufacturer.
So now you want to diss the 88%. Hey, it's not your forum and it's not mine . . . it's Fred's. And I believe Fred caters to the macrocosm of readers, not the 6%. If he wants me to shut up, I'll be happy to oblige. Why not contact the manufacturer of the magic strobe and ask them how many WS it delivers per pop at 31 fps. I didn't even notice who it was.
PeterBerressem wrote:
Just for the (pre) record the total capacitor power is about 500Ws. IGBT control uses the ascending part of the discharge curve. Press release to be expected in about a fortnight.
Peter, I believe this will clarify the situation.
Paul Buff wrote:
Einstein has all the ingredients to do this.
Paul Buff wrote:
A lot of uniformed junk science and knee jerk conclusions here.
Amazing the conclusions people can draw from a U Tube video that says nothing of substance.
I can be wrong now and then, but this is ridiculous.
Dumb idea because it destroys the whole meaning of the standard.
Paul Buff wrote:
This one is believable and can be done with Einstein by shooting motor drive rates.
So you wade into a thread about Hensel into order to compare their (apparently) real product to your product (which no one but you has mentioned until that point) that no one outside of PCB has ever seen or can verify the existence of, generally act in an insulting and inflammatory way, and then get defensive because people don't appreciate the service you're providing to the thread by generally telling everyone how stupid they are? Holy cow.
Also, am I the only one who got a chuckle out of the irony of you dismissing "a U Tube video that says nothing of substance" when you've been posting CAD renders and specs that no one but you can verify for, what, 2 years? You're right, a video of a physical object is waaaaaaay less substantial.
I should get the popcorn. I was just excited about the Hensel doing something other flashes don't offer. Glad to see a competing manufacturer is hijacking the thread.
Paul Buff wrote:
Einstein has all the ingredients to do this.
Paul Buff wrote:
A lot of uniformed junk science and knee jerk conclusions here.
Amazing the conclusions people can draw from a U Tube video that says nothing of substance.
I can be wrong now and then, but this is ridiculous.
Dumb idea because it destroys the whole meaning of the standard.
Paul Buff wrote:
This one is believable and can be done with Einstein by shooting motor drive rates.
So you wade into a thread about Hensel into order to compare their (apparently) real product to your product (which no one but you has mentioned until that point) that no one outside of PCB has ever seen or can verify the existence of, generally act in an insulting and inflammatory way, and then get defensive because people don't appreciate the service you're providing to the thread by generally telling everyone how stupid they are? Holy cow.
Also, am I the only one who got a chuckle out of the irony of you dismissing "a U Tube video that says nothing of substance" when you've been posting CAD renders and specs that no one but you can verify for, what, 2 years? You're right, a video of a physical object is waaaaaaay less substantial. ...Show more →
I totaly agree with Shatterkiss, Cathpah and Brent Ward.
The level of discussions very soon deteriorates once PCB enters the room. For a while it was enough to put me off
from reading anything PCB related. But now it's seeping into other discussions.....
I'm not a very active poster, but when I can help(or at least try to)a member on this forum, I will to my best of knowledge.
A forum is a place where people ask questions and share experience. Not a place to get bashed if one doesn't have that knowledge. It's sad that some "professionals" don't act accordingly.
Erik
ps. @ shatterkiss: you where not the only one to get a chuckle...
Paul Buff wrote:
By the way, you are in the 6% that would rather I not post here, not in the 88% that think I should because I supply information they want to see. Check the pool - you're not the ONLY one, you're one of the few.
Just cause only 6% vocally say they would rather you did not post here, do not assume that the quiet majority want you to...
Hmmm, the original poster asked "is this for real" and Paul provided his opinion without attacking anyone and now he is being attacked for answering the question.
The original post asked "Is this for real" Nobody here answered that question with any degree of technical accuracy except for your's truly. I believe members here want a degree of technical discussion and accuracy. For those who have no understanding of the technology whatsoever and would rather just post uniformed and fully inaccurate analysis, and want to believe in voodoo science and slam me for my technical input, so be it I really don't care.
The answer is: Yes, it's probably real, but is not what many here think it is. It's a 500WS strobe that can fire at 31FPS at 1/32 power. Does it have value? Sure, if that's what you need to do. Is it a technological breakthrough? In my opinion it is not. Any number of competitive flash units can easily be configured to become 31FPS strobe lights.
I thought Paul's answers were more insightful than most of the other crap in this thread. There really aren't that many strobe designers on this forum, so Paul's answer seemed to be pretty targeted to the OP's question. I don't think Fred is actively blocking anyone from Hensel from posting here, so they're welcome to chime in if Paul is way off base with his comments.
FWIW, I don't own any of Paul's equipment, so I can't say I'm biased in his favour either. I wish more manufacturers would have reps on this forum to give us insight in to the industry they represent.
Paul Buff wrote:
The answer is: Yes, it's probably real, but is not what many here think it is. It's a 500WS strobe that can fire at 31FPS at 1/32 power. Does it have value? Sure, if that's what you need to do. Is it a technological breakthrough? In my opinion it is not. Any number of competitive flash units can easily be configured to become 31FPS strobe lights.
now THAT's the kind of answer that would've been helpful in the beginning. Not claiming that youtube videos are illegit, putting down others who don't have your technical knowledge. and most importantly....plugging your own product in each of your first few posts (until I called you on it). Additionally, you claimed that all PCB product related threads turn into others saying "______ can do that", however I pointed out that that is not the case in the 3 most recent threads.
I appreciate when you, or any forum member, can contribute knowledge, information, or experience to a thread. It's much less appreciated when you're plugging your products when the thread has nothing to do with what you sell....and bashing other forum members for being "inept".
Paul Buff wrote:
Paul Buff wrote:
Einstein has all the ingredients to do this.
Paul Buff wrote:
I never bashed Hensel - just the technologically inept posters...
Paul Buff wrote:
No magic here but maybe a good product. Remember - a $29 Radio Shack strobe light can do the same thing at about 1WS per flash.
Paul Buff wrote:
A lot of uniformed junk science and knee jerk conclusions here.
Amazing the conclusions people can draw from a U Tube video that says nothing of substance.
Paul Buff wrote:
This one is believable and can be done with Einstein by shooting motor drive rates.
Back to the OP...this looks like a fun/interesting light. It'd be fun to see the variety of things this could be used for creatively. Shooting skateboarding/sports photography with this could be a blast!
Go back read Paul's initial response. He only mentions his unit once as an example of other flashes that could do this. I doubt anyone without an axe to grind would have a problem with this.
rickboden wrote:
Go back read Paul's initial response. He only mentions his unit once as an example of other flashes that could do this. I doubt anyone without an axe to grind would have a problem with this.
Hi Rick,
When I clicked on your posts button, I noticed that almost all your posts where on Paul's product threads. Any connection?
HappyCamp wrote:
I love that. If someone says something positive than they of course have to be working for him
Is this based on the philosophy if you can't attack the message, attack the messenger? Any connection?
But yes of course, Rick could have a connection with Paul. I have no idea, since I didn't investigate his posting history.
Not attacking at all. I was just curious. I usually click everyones website link and like to see the work of everyone posting. He didn't have one, so I clicked the other seeing if he posted any photos and just noticed. That's all.
When I clicked on your posts button, I noticed that almost all your posts where on Paul's product threads. Any connection?
Hi Brent,
No connection. I never owned a PCB product in my life (I have older Norman studio flash) but I am very interested in the new products and that is why you see my posts where you do.
For years I had been critical of the "effective w/s" advertising of the White Lightning stuff so I was not always a fan. But I really respect the success of the company and the way they reportedly treat their customers. I don't know Paul at all although I may have spoken with him briefly at the WL booth at PhotoExpo twenty years ago.
Thinking about it I am probably taking his side because I sense a kind of "product elitism" from his detractors. ...this from a Mac user. :-)
the total capacitor power is about 500Ws. IGBT control uses the ascending part of the discharge curve. Press release to be expected in about a fortnight.