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Incidentally, do that on ANY forum, regardless of the rules, and you basically trash your reputation and company.

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Oct 18, 2009 at 04:04 AM

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p.2 #2 · Tiny ballhead?

sjms wrote:
Stephan Wei wrote:
Smiert Spionam wrote:
drdrew wrote:
what is it?

A spammer's ad.

feel regret about that. I willing to delete my post if that displeased so many of you .

the question at hand is simple: are you employed by or in anyway financially involved with sunway?

if so and you are pushing it on this site you are in violation of the rules set forth. if you wish to discuss any other gear feel free and you are welcome.

hi, thank you for reminding me of that. i apologize for violating the rules. and i also like photograply and want to learn photography from all of you here. i will focus on that and not violate the rules once more.
thank you

Oct 19, 2009 at 02:11 AM

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p.2 #3 · Tiny ballhead?

Smiert Spionam wrote:
Thanks, Stephan (I replied more fully in the other thread).
thank you for your kindly suggestions.

Oct 19, 2009 at 02:13 AM

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p.2 #4 · Tiny ballhead?

Have you considered the Kirk BH-3? It is in the same size category as teh BH-40 from RRS, but cost is closer to that of the BH-25. I have had mine for going on 6 years now (got it at launch), and still love it.

Oct 19, 2009 at 02:23 AM

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p.2 #5 · Tiny ballhead?

My favorite small but full featured ballhead is the Markings Q3T. However, the PhotoClams have popped up on my radar screen for small ballheads.

http://www.tripodballhead.com/2009/02/smallest-ballhead-photo-clam-pc-30n.html

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Oct 19, 2009 at 02:28 AM

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p.2 #6 · Tiny ballhead?

JohnJ80 wrote:
My favorite small but full featured ballhead is the Markings Q3T. However, the PhotoClams have popped up on my radar screen for small ballheads.

http://www.tripodballhead.com/2009/02/smallest-ballhead-photo-clam-pc-30n.html

J.

Do you know anyone that has actually used one and is there a comparison to Markins? I'm invested in Markins with several heads

Oct 19, 2009 at 01:06 PM

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p.2 #7 · Tiny ballhead?

No, but they have just been popping up lately in the last several months. What is interesting is that they seem to go smaller in size. There have been some preliminary reports that they are ok but it's sketchy data.

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Oct 19, 2009 at 02:57 PM

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JohnJ80 wrote:
No, but they have just been popping up lately in the last several months. What is interesting is that they seem to go smaller in size. There have been some preliminary reports that they are ok but it's sketchy data.

J.

if you actually read this thread, you'd have found my review which is far from sketchy.
Right now I own PC-33NS and PC-36NS and they are great, sold both of my Markins - Q3 and Q3T
last week. Believe me - there is nothing sketchy about Photo Clam ballheads.

Oct 19, 2009 at 05:41 PM

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snowboarder wrote:
JohnJ80 wrote:
No, but they have just been popping up lately in the last several months. What is interesting is that they seem to go smaller in size. There have been some preliminary reports that they are ok but it's sketchy data.

J.

if you actually read this thread, you'd have found my review which is far from sketchy.
Right now I own PC-33NS and PC-36NS and they are great, sold both of my Markins - Q3 and Q3T
last week. Believe me - there is nothing sketchy about Photo Clam ballheads.

Snowboarder... JohnJ80 is skeptical of any first-person reviews that lack methodically tested data... don't feel bad. He responded to my tripod review the same way... long discussion ensued.

In any case, while I disagree with what I consider his dogmatic approach to invalidating most anecdotal reports (and I have a degree + in physics, so I'm all about a desire for real data)... his point is well taken: the photo world is really lacking in objective data on how well various tripods and heads mitigate various types of vibration. We'd all be better off with that kind of info at our finger tips (kinda like MTF charts... except way more valuable). That said, I think each and every anecdotal report builds towards something useful-- realizing that even products that started with bad or good reputations can change over time.

Oct 19, 2009 at 05:56 PM

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snowboarder wrote:
JohnJ80 wrote:
No, but they have just been popping up lately in the last several months. What is interesting is that they seem to go smaller in size. There have been some preliminary reports that they are ok but it's sketchy data.

J.

if you actually read this thread, you'd have found my review which is far from sketchy.
Right now I own PC-33NS and PC-36NS and they are great, sold both of my Markins - Q3 and Q3T
last week. Believe me - there is nothing sketchy about Photo Clam ballheads.

I did read your review, and it's no knock on that. That's pretty much the only one I've seen of any detail. That's what I meant by sketchy. I can go and get any number of reviews on other Markins, RRS or Kirk either here or elsewhere. It's just because Photoclam is a new company (or new at this) there is "sketchy" information out there. They are on my radar screen. For me, personally, I'd like to see a little more track record before I'd buy.

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Oct 19, 2009 at 07:29 PM

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p.2 #11 · Tiny ballhead?

Just saw the Arca-Swiss PO (zero) head at the PhotoPlus Expo on Thursday; very small, very very strong, very impressive. And not a bad price.

Oct 24, 2009 at 06:58 PM

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p.2 #12 · Tiny ballhead?

Real standardized, repeatable data would be nice, though it's tough and there are many variables. Some of what passes as "reviews" here, though, are really just a bunch of pictures and someone saying how good it looks. At minimum, it would be nice to have some reports of how the equipment actually performs, including focal lengths and shutter speeds.

Oct 24, 2009 at 07:15 PM

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p.2 #13 · Tiny ballhead?

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Just saw the Arca-Swiss PO (zero) head at the PhotoPlus Expo on Thursday; very small, very very strong, very impressive. And not a bad price.

Here's a PDF of their ad copy:

http://www.precisioncameraworks.com/Media/p0-eng-web.pdf

Very interesting.

Oct 24, 2009 at 07:18 PM

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Smiert Spionam wrote:
E-Vener wrote:
Just saw the Arca-Swiss PO (zero) head at the PhotoPlus Expo on Thursday; very small, very very strong, very impressive. And not a bad price.

Here's a PDF of their ad copy:

http://www.precisioncameraworks.com/Media/p0-eng-web.pdf

Very interesting.

It look really cool

Oct 24, 2009 at 07:33 PM

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E-Vener wrote:
Just saw the Arca-Swiss PO (zero) head at the PhotoPlus Expo on Thursday; very small, very very strong, very impressive. And not a bad price.

Huh, that is interesting indeed. If anyone picks one of these up, I'd love to hear how it performs.

Oct 24, 2009 at 07:35 PM

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Smiert Spionam wrote:
Real standardized, repeatable data would be nice, though it's tough and there are many variables. Some of what passes as "reviews" here, though, are really just a bunch of pictures and someone saying how good it looks. At minimum, it would be nice to have some reports of how the equipment actually performs, including focal lengths and shutter speeds.

Exactly.

Most of the reviews are also written in the first 48 hours that the user has had the device while they are still euphoric about getting it. Key phrase, "I just got....". Those reviews I highly discount.

The whole tripod and ballhead industry would greatly benefit from a common sent of specifications and testing conditions. Then we might actually have something we could use instead of just ooh-ing and ahh-ing over the paint jobs. A good paint job but crappy internals is the hallmark of the knock-off industry.

J.

Oct 25, 2009 at 02:19 AM

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p.2 #17 · Tiny ballhead?

justruss wrote:
E-Vener wrote:
Just saw the Arca-Swiss PO (zero) head at the PhotoPlus Expo on Thursday; very small, very very strong, very impressive. And not a bad price.

Huh, that is interesting indeed. If anyone picks one of these up, I'd love to hear how it performs.
i think I am going to get one. It is an interesting idea. The internal workings are very different from every other ballhead ( three planetary gears apply pressure directly to the elliptical ball instead of tension being set indirectly to a cupping device like every other ball head uses) and I like the idea of no big protruding pressure control knob. It is also a bit smaller than heads of similar load capacities.

Oct 25, 2009 at 03:25 PM

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E-Vener wrote:
justruss wrote:
E-Vener wrote:
Just saw the Arca-Swiss PO (zero) head at the PhotoPlus Expo on Thursday; very small, very very strong, very impressive. And not a bad price.

Huh, that is interesting indeed. If anyone picks one of these up, I'd love to hear how it performs.
i think I am going to get one. It is an interesting idea. The internal workings are very different from every other ballhead ( three planetary gears apply pressure directly to the elliptical ball instead of tension being set indirectly to a cupping device like every other ball head uses) and I like the idea of no big protruding pressure control knob. It is also a bit smaller than heads of similar load capacities.

I too saw it at the show and like what saw . However, I could not an answer as to if it has a separate tension control.

Oct 25, 2009 at 04:57 PM

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p.2 #19 · Tiny ballhead?

If the ad copy is correct, only the larger P1 has a separate tension control. The P1 has been out for a while, so there should be some reviews. The P0 looks like a more fully realized design, especially the version with an integrated clamp. The P1 seems cobbled together by comparison.

Oct 25, 2009 at 06:29 PM

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p.2 #20 · Tiny ballhead?

there is a separate tension control on the P0

Oct 25, 2009 at 08:22 PM

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p.2 #21 · Tiny ballhead?

I use a Novoflex 30 ballhead on my light travel tripod, very happy with it. No grease or oil for sand to get stuck in and it only weighs 8 oz. I have mainly used it with a 40D + 10-22 combo but it will hold a 70-200 f/4 if it really has to. Think I paid about 120 bucks at B&H.

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Oct 25, 2009 at 08:51 PM

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p.2 #22 · Tiny ballhead?

E-Vener wrote:
there is a separate tension control on the P0

The photo in the PDF shows the circular knurled ring which locks the ball. I don't see a device for the separate tension control.

Oct 26, 2009 at 12:46 AM

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p.2 #23 · Tiny ballhead?

I am totally sold on larger Really Right Stuff ball heads, and have just noticed that they sell a new model, a BH-30. It is between the BH-25 and the BH-40 in size and price, and may be worth considering for your needs. I have not seen any reports on them yet, and would love to see some posts from anyone that has experience with one.

Oct 26, 2009 at 02:27 AM

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p.2 #24 · Tiny ballhead?

Hey, that looks cool. Nice mate to a Gitzo traveler, among other things.

Oct 26, 2009 at 02:41 AM

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p.2 #25 · Tiny ballhead?

bp044 wrote:

The photo in the PDF shows the circular knurled ring which locks the ball. I don't see a device for the separate tension control.

the little flip lever locks rotation, the ring sets both tension and locks the tilt angle. I am going from my recollection from Thursday when I handled it.

Oct 26, 2009 at 11:57 AM


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