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t I'm the original skank I like to believe.




And I thought that honor belonged to Courtney Love

Oct 09, 2009 at 04:05 PM
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Hello Paul, I am in the UK and know next to nothing about you or your equipment bar that where it is sold, it seems to be received as good stuff for the price.

I rarely view this forum but just by coincidence, took a look in at the lighting forum and a post caught my eye about "Grids". You had answered this post with one of the most informative and qualified responses I had seen offered on forums, so much so, I will make a point of reading your input, now.

If you get to sell a few of your products by doing it, that's fine by me, the truth is worth a thousand lies, which normally comes from companies, "pimping" their kit.

Keep it up, I learn a lot from what you say, because you are obviously an expert on the subject, even though I will probably never buy your product.

I very much like the way you explain things, in a qualified, yet understandable and unbiased way.

Oct 09, 2009 at 11:15 PM
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The information Paul posts here can be very valuable, but Paul also invites people to que up and box with him, which helps pump up the thread noise.

IMHO the forum would be poorer without him, despite the dense reading some of the threads become.

Oct 10, 2009 at 05:56 AM
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shoebox9 wrote:
The information Paul posts here can be very valuable, but Paul also invites people to que up and box with him, which helps pump up the thread noise.

IMHO the forum would be poorer without him, despite the dense reading some of the threads become.


I don't believe I invite them - I respond to them. Perhaps once or twice I may have said something questionable without provocation. I remember one questionable and poorly informed comment regarding Shatterkiss that I quickly apologized for.

On the other side of the fence, I am reliably attacked, with no provocation whatsoever, almost every time my name or products are mentioned. I am insulted and demeaned by a certain reliable group of posters . . . and zero apologies. I have been called racist, a fraud, a crook, a stupid person, crazy, a lousy businessman and other things many many times, for no reason other than . . . what - professional jealousy?

But I sleep well, having a whole lot of friends and customers and a few enemies not of my doing.

Oct 10, 2009 at 06:17 AM
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Paul...your products and customer service speaks for itself, which is outstanding. Any additional input from you is a bonus in my opinion.

Oct 10, 2009 at 01:45 PM
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Paul Buff wrote:I remember one questionable and poorly informed comment regarding Shatterkiss that I quickly apologized for.

Paul, with all respect, you blantently insulted perhaps this forum's single most helpful and most loved poster (along with Carmen). Not only that, but he was genuinely interested in your products.

If you apologized, I missed it. (Obviously I don't read every thread or see PM's.) The comment I did see you make about it a couple of days later wasn't an apology by anyone's standard.

This soft of thing doesn't make the product information you post less helpful, of course not, but the vast majority of us would be happier without this stuff flowing in either direction.

Oct 11, 2009 at 02:39 AM
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May be true to some degree - I have admitted that. Don't recall ever saying anything offensive to or about Carmen. But the current poll says my presence here is highly valued and there is no question that I have been attacked and demeaned infinitely more than any other member. Sure, it should all stop, but don't hold your breath - human nature says otherwise.

Oct 13, 2009 at 07:28 PM
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Paul Buff wrote:
...I have been called racist, a fraud, a crook...


I've searched through the forum and archives for those three words and nowhere do I see racist or crook mentioned in any thread about you apart from your own statement in this one. I'm not saying it didn't happen, but those are serious claims that I would like to see backed up before attributing them to this board and the people here. There is a thread I found where someone defends you saying you weren't committing fraud but maybe that was misconstrued. By all means if someone on this board did call you a racist or a crook it should be dealt with accordingly.


Oct 13, 2009 at 10:50 PM
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Carlton Beener wrote:
Paul Buff wrote:
...I have been called racist, a fraud, a crook...


I've searched through the forum and archives for those three words and nowhere do I see racist or crook mentioned in any thread about you apart from your own statement in this one. I'm not saying it didn't happen, but those are serious claims that I would like to see backed up before attributing them to this board and the people here. There is a thread I found where someone defends you saying you weren't committing fraud but maybe that was misconstrued. By all means if someone on this board did call you a racist or a crook it should be dealt with accordingly.

I don't have the time you seem to have to search the finer points of my statement. So let me amend it say "it has been implied times by certain posters that I am a racist, or crook, or manipulative person, a fool, a con artist, a liar on and on". Now run get your Thesaurus and check out all these for implication.

I think the majority of those who follow these posts closely could help you out on this, but I doubt have the time either. I'm not going to name the names here.

Oct 13, 2009 at 11:13 PM
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And now we all know why you can't get the AB Max or Einstein out. You're on FM all the time!!!

Oct 14, 2009 at 07:39 PM
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cineski wrote:
And now we all know why you can't get the AB Max or Einstein out. You're on FM all the time!!!


I guess we know who the vast minority are in the above poll. Crap draws flies. 85% say they want me here and want my information. Put up your own poll and see how many want you here and your slams.

Oct 14, 2009 at 08:15 PM
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Paul Buff wrote:
cineski wrote:
And now we all know why you can't get the AB Max or Einstein out. You're on FM all the time!!!


I guess we know who the vast minority are in the above poll. Crap draws flies. 85% say they want me here and want my information. Put up your own poll and see how many want you here and your slams.


Paul,

I think he was trying to be funny. Looking through cineski's posting history I don't really see any slams in the last 8 weeks that I looked, I didn't bother to look past that.

I could see you not seeing the humor in it since you have been working really hard on getting the products out.

Edit:
Someone pointed out a quite negative post done back in 09-Jul-2009, which I could see as a slam.


Oct 14, 2009 at 08:21 PM
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Paul, do I really need to repeat the sarcastic laden ? BTW, I didn't vote in your poll.

Paul Buff wrote:
cineski wrote:
And now we all know why you can't get the AB Max or Einstein out. You're on FM all the time!!!


I guess we know who the vast minority are in the above poll. Crap draws flies. 85% say they want me here and want my information. Put up your own poll and see how many want you here and your slams.



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Personally I don't care for your stuff Paul, although we do use some of it in our studio (not by my choice). I have found other brands more to my liking.

What I don't understand is the time and energy you spend on threads like this one. No offence but you seem to always invite conflict and seem to rather enjoy it too. Just an observation.

Oct 15, 2009 at 06:00 PM
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Sarcasm breeds sarcasm, information breeds sarcasm, baring your sole breeds sarcasm, trying to help people breeds sarcasm, being human breeds sarcasm - the internet breeds sarcasm.

Oct 15, 2009 at 06:10 PM
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photomarvin wrote:
Personally I don't care for your stuff Paul, although we do use some of it in our studio (not by my choice). I have found other brands more to my liking.

What I don't understand is the time and energy you spend on threads like this one. No offence but you seem to always invite conflict and seem to rather enjoy it too. Just an observation.


I don't ask anyone to like my equipment. But read the poll numbers as to why I post here.

Oct 15, 2009 at 06:12 PM
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It's okay Paul...I just realized there is a Hide Me button...so it's all good

Oct 15, 2009 at 06:40 PM
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i troll this site alot more than the forums on the AB site. Ive also found alot answers just from you posting here. Ive seen the threads where people think youre posting/defending your product here but i dont see it that way. Were luckly we can get answers from a vendor here.

Oct 16, 2009 at 01:51 AM
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Dear Paul & Marvin

I love Paul's gear. I now have four of his excellent lights, two of his softboxes, Vagabond portable power, two parabolics, CyberSyncs, and a bunch of other stuff. I don't have a lot of confidence in the boom clamp, but I really love all of my other Buff gear.

But, Marvin, you and I are alike in not understanding why Paul spends so much energy on the negative posts.

Were I Paul, I'd ignore all flamebait posts, especially those from posters who've had over four years of time on the board and over 1100 hundred posts and are just now discovering the "HIDE ME" button.

"HIDE ME." You're right. It's all good.

I don't hide Paul, though. To the contrary, I come straight to this forum to see what he has to say. Is there anyone from Elinchrom (not a distributor), Profoto, Hensel, or Photogenic posting here? For the record, I voted for the third choice.

--Jaddie

Oct 16, 2009 at 02:02 AM
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Maczilla wrote: I don't hide Paul, though. To the contrary, I come straight to this forum to see what he has to say. Is there anyone from Elinchrom (not a distributor), Profoto, Hensel, or Photogenic posting here? For the record, I voted for the third choice.


Jaddie -- It is typically the beginning photographers who seem to attach value to Paul's presence. I understand where you're coming from. You've bought some lights and need to validate that it was a good decision. Well, I can confirm that for a beginner it was a very good decision. And more to the point, Paul has been introducing some really cool products into the market lately. The PLM, The Cyber-thing-a-ma-jiggies, and if the Einstein lights get released, they appear to have specs that even a pro could appreciate.

The thing is, you can get all this information at Paul's site, just as you can the same information about Profoto and Hensel and their site. And if you've got a question, you can get it answered by sending an email or contacting a photography store like B & H, Samy's, Calumet, etc.

The issue is you're going to get a biased opinion from Paul. Just as you would get a biased opinion from the owner of Profoto about his lights. If you want to learn about how lights work in real-world usage on a set, then you need speak with a photographer who has experience with the units you're interested in to understand the pros and cons and whether or not the units are the right ones for your workflow.

There is a plethora of photographers on this site who own Paul's gear and can share details with prospective buyers on this forum. There is never a shortage of threads on this site with people talking about Paul's gear. So what's the harm in having Paul here selling his lights? Not much at all. Like I said, I'm impressed with what Paul's doing and think he makes lights that are good quality and available for the average photographer who isn't making any money yet.

To my knowledge I'm the only photographer I know of to use Paul's lights on a commercial set. I've been to hundreds of photoshoots for brands ranging from BMW, Nike and fashion brands too numerous to mention, and I have never seen them in use. I, on the other hand, have used Paul's gear for Armani, La Perla, Victoria's Secret and even a GM print ad, but these were smaller jobs with less demands light-wise.

I can confirm the lights worked without error and were generally a pleasure to use. They have limitations, but all lights and modifiers do. My take is that I can tell much you more about the pros and cons of the lights I've than any owner/manufacturer possibly could. Paul may know a great deal of the technical specs, but a better resource are the guys here on this board who work use the gear you're interested.



Oct 16, 2009 at 03:22 AM
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To my knowledge I'm the only photographer I know of to use Paul's lights on a commercial set.


Gee thanks dude. I guess the commercial work I've done with them (mostly with Zeus pack & head systems) doesn't count then.

Yours truly,

Ellis Vener
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http://www.ellisvener.com

Oct 16, 2009 at 12:14 PM
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He said 'only photographer he knows of', wouldn't get insulted by it...

Oct 16, 2009 at 12:24 PM
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Not insulted. Amused. I guess that tone didn't get across.

Oct 16, 2009 at 12:37 PM
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E-Vener wrote:
Not insulted. Amused. I guess that tone didn't get across.


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I think most people can figure out that there *may* (not saying Paul would or wouldn't and this applies to any company) be some bias if a person from a company posts, but as long as that person mentions they're from that company in a sig, people can decide accordingly...
Personally, I find being able to communicate w/ a rep directly from the company more helpful than being stonewalled by the tech support at some companies (Bogen support sucks, etc.)


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Oct 16, 2009 at 03:53 PM
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Ellis - I can only speak from my experience, which is over 20 years in commercial advertising. As a former executive at Ogilvy I've been afforded the great opportunity to be a part of hundreds of shoots with the most talented photographers in the commercial field, and this continues with my own creative agency where I meet so many photographers, young-and-old, who are exceptionally talented and from different countries, which brings varied sensibilities and approaches. It's been a terrific experience for me.

True, we haven't met, but the next time you're in LA or NY, let me know and I'd be delighted to come to your set and meet you.

Finally, this is not meant as a slight in any way at Paul. We've had our differences, but as I think about it, I'm impressed with Paul's latest offerings, and the idea that a man his age is still making an effort to challenge himself, climb mountains and deliver new products to the marketplace.

Oct 16, 2009 at 03:53 PM




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