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p.2 #1 · 19 August-watch the Canon statements!!!!

My guess is an updated 100-400mm. Actually, that's a wish, not a guess.

Aug 17, 2009 at 06:07 PM

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p.2 #2 · 19 August-watch the Canon statements!!!!

50D is already discontinued?If you're right ,Ray,this means 60D is coming for sure(and It will be an aps-h dslr since 50D's sensor it can't be improved with today technology(only 4,7 pixel pitch is too small-look at the OLY E 620 and E 30; ISO 800 pictures it looks horible just like the first digital cameras back in 2000).

Aug 17, 2009 at 06:38 PM

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p.2 #3 · 19 August-watch the Canon statements!!!!

who said the senzor has to be improved on the 60D? It may be as well the same senzor the 50D has

Aug 17, 2009 at 07:28 PM

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p.2 #4 · 19 August-watch the Canon statements!!!!

I'm guessing a 35L Mk2

You can most definitely count on that. My 35L just arrived, so a new one should come out any day now.

Aug 17, 2009 at 07:38 PM

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p.2 #5 · 19 August-watch the Canon statements!!!!

An educated guess is that the 60D = 50D + HD Video to complete Canon's lineup. New features typically show up in the digital Rebel line first, and then show up in the XXD line afterwards (the one exception was that the XXD line skipped the 12Mp sensor from the XSi). No need for more megapixels since the 15Mp T1i and 50D already "beat" nikon who "only" have 12Mp.

The 1D-MKIII replacement will be announced because:

1D announced Sep 2001 in time for the 2002 Winter Olympics.
1D-MkII announced Jan 2004 in time for the 2004 Summer Olympics.
1D-MkIIn announced Aug 2005 in time for the 2006 Winter Olympics.
1D-MkIII announced Feb 2007 allowing enough time for Nikon to kick Canon's butt for the 2008 Summer Olympics.

It's not too hard to figure out that the 1D-MkIV will be announced now in time for the 2010 Winter Olympics (hopefully not allowing enough time for Nikon to surprise them again).

Aug 17, 2009 at 08:03 PM

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p.2 #6 · 19 August-watch the Canon statements!!!!

Given there have been zero leaks or teasers, I doubt it's anything to get worked up about.

Aug 17, 2009 at 08:41 PM

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p.2 #7 · 19 August-watch the Canon statements!!!!

stargazer78 wrote:
gabimaster wrote:
I'm sure some of you knows that in two days (19 august) there it will be a Canon press-conference.So??

When Canon unveils the EOS 2000D (a.k.a. Rebel XS2), all those people expecting a 1Dmk4 or 60D will be disappointed...

This is so logical I want to cry.

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Aug 17, 2009 at 09:05 PM

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p.2 #8 · 19 August-watch the Canon statements!!!!

Anybody else hoping for a Mark II version of the 135mm f2.8 SF....? Anybody? Okay, then how about the 50mm f/2.5 CM II...?

(60D and 1D Mark IV... man, just what are these product planners thinking?)

Aug 17, 2009 at 09:14 PM

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p.2 #9 · 19 August-watch the Canon statements!!!!

I hope the do release a 24-70 mkii that way I can get teh mk cheaper.. how about a new 10-22 upgrade

Aug 17, 2009 at 09:14 PM

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p.2 #10 · 19 August-watch the Canon statements!!!!

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50D is already discontinued?

No sign of that on the european markets. The 40D is certainly going (discounts and bundles everywhere and dwindling stock), but the 50D is in stock and has only a cursory promotion. I think the 50D is here to stay for a while yet. The question is perhaps more about whether canon will go back to marketing a single xxD or will continue the double lineup that they've had for the last year or so. And if the latter, what price bracket will they market at? Seems to me that with the Rebel line so busy they might try pitching the xxD's a little higher than they have been.

Aug 17, 2009 at 09:18 PM

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p.2 #11 · 19 August-watch the Canon statements!!!!

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Sorry, DaaN B,IT wont have IS,and I think that inside of you,you already know it.It can't be f/2.8 and IS because it will kill 24-105L.I decided for 24-105L because of the focal range and IS to help the maximum f/4.0 aperture,if there was a 24-70 f/2.8 and IS I would never made that choice.So they wont do it.Sorry!

Then why do they produce a 70-200 f/2.8 IS and an f/4 IS. By your logic, one of those lenses shouldn't exist.

Aug 18, 2009 at 12:06 AM

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p.2 #12 · 19 August-watch the Canon statements!!!!

The price of a 24-70L IS would be double that of the 24-105L IS at launch IMO and that alone and the fact the 24-105 is much lighter will still make it popular. Also using that argument you would say the 70-200 f/2.8L IS kills off the 70-200 f/4L IS.

I didn't think it would be IS, but I'm not so sure now. Canon surprised us with the TS-E lenses being super rotators and they might surprise us again. It would be another way to offer an advantage over Nikon's new 24-70 too.

Aug 18, 2009 at 12:15 AM

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p.2 #13 · 19 August-watch the Canon statements!!!!

Ray DeBosch wrote:
I heard from a Canon Pro about the 60D. That's why the 50D is no longer being produced.
I am also hoping for the Mk IV to be announced.

If this is true, then the 50D was a panic product to quickly redress features the D300 had. They would have been better waiting until March to release the 50D with video and spent the extra 6 months improving the AF. It'd be pathetic if the 60D is just a HD video'd 50D.

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Aug 18, 2009 at 12:19 AM

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p.2 #14 · 19 August-watch the Canon statements!!!!

Pixel Perfect wrote:
stargazer78 wrote:
gabimaster wrote:
I'm sure some of you knows that in two days (19 august) there it will be a Canon press-conference.So??

When Canon unveils the EOS 2000D (a.k.a. Rebel XS2), all those people expecting a 1Dmk4 or 60D will be disappointed...

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. Too soon for 60D and 1Ds IV and they probably won't release 1D IV until PMA next year, so that leaves 1000D for update.

But I have my fingers crossed for the 1D IV.

However, I do expect some new lenses to be announced, including 70-200 f/2.8L IS II and a macro with hybrid IS.

we might see a 60D since that wouldleave canon very weak in the video department compared to nikon for an awfully long time, maybe a 50Dv

the 1d4 seems rather due and they might want it proven before the olympics, can't see them waiting until PMA.

but the low number rumors and no leaked links on canon pages

etc. seems odd, either they caught all teh leakers by using disinformation like with the 3.2" screen size rumors or they decided the best impact is suddent with no build-up feeling the 5d2 moon thing backfired a little (then again they do like how the 5d2 sales are going....) so maybe there is nothing much on the low end, just a 50v and on then the big 1d4 in sept.

Aug 18, 2009 at 12:46 AM

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p.2 #15 · 19 August-watch the Canon statements!!!!

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The Canon announcements are definitely successors to the EOS 50D and EOS-1D III.

The EOS 1000D can wait for its successor at PMA 2010, which clashes with the Winter Olympic Games next February. It will be Nikon's turn to announce something big during PMA, in anticipation of next summer's World Cup Soccer.

Canon will return the favour by announcing its successor to the 1Ds III in Photokina 2010 to be held in September '10.

makes sense

Aug 18, 2009 at 12:53 AM

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p.2 #16 · 19 August-watch the Canon statements!!!!

why in the world do they care about saving the 24-105??

Who cares, that is like saying they won't put better AF in 1 series so they can save the Rebel!

Aug 18, 2009 at 12:55 AM

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p.2 #17 · 19 August-watch the Canon statements!!!!

Jay Adeff wrote:
The 1D-MKIII replacement will be announced because:

1D announced Sep 2001 in time for the 2002 Winter Olympics.
1D-MkII announced Jan 2004 in time for the 2004 Summer Olympics.
1D-MkIIn announced Aug 2005 in time for the 2006 Winter Olympics.
1D-MkIII announced Feb 2007 allowing enough time for Nikon to kick Canon's butt for the 2008 Summer Olympics.

It's not too hard to figure out that the 1D-MkIV will be announced now in time for the 2010 Winter Olympics (hopefully not allowing enough time for Nikon to surprise them again).

I've always suspected that the Mark III was rushed into an earlier release to preempt the D3 and mute its impact on the recent Nikon to Canon switchers. But the AF debacle had the opposite effect, giving many a good reason to switch back. Whatever the reason, I don't think Canon could have waited much longer anyway since the IIn wasn't much of a change over the II and it would have been nearly four years without anything significant. I'm sure Canon knew Nikon had something coming...

The timing now is right for a Mark IV, or even a Mark IIIn (920k display, UDMA, increased buffer capacity, silent AF upgrade, would be my wish), in advance of the winter Olympics. If it is announced now, delivery will begin later in September or October and give sufficient time for production to ramp up and fill the early adopter orders. With the original 1D, deliveries didn't really start to trickle out until the end of November 2001, which didn't leave a lot of time before the Olympics. Back when the Mark III was announced, even with the general knowledge that there could be some problems with it, supply was very tight for over six months. If a Mark IV announcement is made in a couple months from now, then it will be that much more difficult to get enough of the cameras out there. Admittedly, the number of photographers at the Olympics will not be the entire world supply that Canon can manufacture by that time, but the earlier the announcement, the more time everyone covering the games will have to get to know the camera better. I wouldn't want to go into an endurance event like the Olympics with a brand new, relatively unknown camera. Plus, considering the general vibe about the Mark III, there's a good chance that if the IV is proven to be a great performer, there will be a lot of pent up demand from a lot of Canon users sitting on the fence about the III - either those who never bought one, or those who have the camera but are still not entirely satisfied with it (yours truly included).

Given the recent 200 f/2 and 800 f/5.6, we could also see the rest of the super-tele line upgraded, or at least the 300 & 400, which are by far the most popular sports telephotos.

A new 70-200 2.8 IS would make a lot of sense too since that lens has a fairly so-so reputation among many sports photographers and is outclassed by the f/4 IS in all ways except maximum aperture. Plus Nikon just updated theirs. A long shot, but maybe a 135L IS...? Maybe f/1.8 to rival the Zeiss/Sony?

It will be interesting to see in a couple days who got their guesses the closest.

Aug 18, 2009 at 02:13 AM

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p.2 #18 · 19 August-watch the Canon statements!!!!

With all these tech advancements on the camera side, are these manufacturers neglecting lenses? I mean, we have cool lenses, but the coolest ones are HEAVY, and COSTLY. Can they not spend some $ on R&D on coming up with smaller and lighter versions of a 24-100mm f/3.5 and a 100-300mm f/4 with stellaer quality? I still use an old (bought used) 30D and I don't see much reason for upgrading. I was considering upgrading later when the 60D comes out, with 1080p video, but my experience with a rented 500D and HD-Video left me feeling let-down. I didn't really get the hang of focusing continuously and the quality was ok, but not easy without costly tripods, etc.

Aug 18, 2009 at 02:22 AM

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p.2 #19 · 19 August-watch the Canon statements!!!!

Jay Adeff wrote:
It's not too hard to figure out that the 1D-MkIV will be announced now in time for the 2010 Winter Olympics (hopefully not allowing enough time for Nikon to surprise them again).

Do people still watch the Olympics? haha. j/k

But seriously... bet there is more printed images on Football, Soccer, Baseball etc. I could be wrong.

Aug 18, 2009 at 02:31 AM

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p.2 #20 · 19 August-watch the Canon statements!!!!

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With all these tech advancements on the camera side, are these manufacturers neglecting lenses? I mean, we have cool lenses, but the coolest ones are HEAVY, and COSTLY. Can they not spend some $ on R&D on coming up with smaller and lighter versions of a 24-100mm f/3.5 and a 100-300mm f/4 with stellaer quality? I still use an old (bought used) 30D and I don't see much reason for upgrading. I was considering upgrading later when the 60D comes out, with 1080p video, but my experience with a rented 500D and HD-Video left me feeling let-down. I didn't really get the hang of focusing continuously and the quality was ok, but not easy without costly tripods, etc.

I think that's an issue of physics and optics. Those cool lenses tend to be the really fast primes, and how can they possibly be made much smaller if the front elements need to be that large to collect the light? And the larger the recording medium (i.e. film or sensor), the larger the lenses become. This is where the micro four-thirds system makes a lot of sense and addresses some of these issues. But even with four-thirds lenses like the 150 f/2 or the 35-100 f/2, those are still large lenses.

In part I think Canon is addressing this with the recent line of f/4 zooms. They're smaller, lighter, less expensive than similar f/2.8 lenses and with recent high ISO sensor improvements, not near the liability f/4 used to be even a couple years ago.

10 years ago the 800 f/5.6 wouldn't have made sense when everyone was shooting with Velvia 50 or maybe pushing film up to ISO 200 or even 400, and is perhaps a reason Canon didn't transition it from the FD mount during the EOS film era. But now with digital and relatively clean files at ISO 800 or even 1600, it opens up possibilities for lens development.

100-300 is interesting, but how many will buy it over a 100-400 mkII? If there is a new 70-200 f/2.8 II that performs very well with the 1.4x TC, it will be a much more popular 100-300 solution for many, many photographers because they also want a 2.8 zoom... yet wouldn't consider a 100-300 f/4. So it's kind of a strange spot in Canon's line-up - one that can be covered by a couple other lenses already.

But I wouldn't mind seeing a very nice, sharp, compact 300 f/4 DO.

Aug 18, 2009 at 02:49 AM

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p.2 #21 · 19 August-watch the Canon statements!!!!

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But I wouldn't mind seeing a very nice, sharp, compact 300 f/4 DO.

Ron, that lens would probably be priced at $2,000 US or more, and I reckon its IQ would be inferior to the present 300 f/4 IS, not to mention 300 f/4 non-IS. Not a winning formula from the consumer's viewpoint.
The 300 f/4 non-IS is perfect in many ways.......IMO light and compact enough, excellent IQ, fast AF drive....and a well preserved copy could be had for about $700 US or lower. Now, that's a winning proposition in my eyes.

Aug 18, 2009 at 03:20 AM

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p.2 #22 · 19 August-watch the Canon statements!!!!

I liked the Sigma 100-300mm f/4 lens I had for a while, but the IQ was not close to the 70-400mm f/2.8 or f/4. The focal length was just right though. Many times, with my 70-200mm f/2.8, I've wished I could zoom more, without having to carry and manage yet another "gadget" in the form of the 1.4x or 2x TCs. I'd be happy with a 100-400mm f/4 with the same IQ as the 70-200mm series.

Aug 18, 2009 at 03:24 AM

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p.2 #23 · 19 August-watch the Canon statements!!!!

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I think eventually all lenses would come with IS and besides, some people will still prefer the extra reach of the 24-105, not to mention it's the kit lens for premium bodies so you never know.

Not to mention, the 24-105 @ f4 will be cheaper than the 24-70 @ f2.8.

Aug 18, 2009 at 03:34 AM

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p.2 #24 · 19 August-watch the Canon statements!!!!

Unless the future 1DmkIV is leagues better, I'd be perfectly happy getting a 1DmkIII again, I was so absolutely pleased with the IQ of that camera. Maybe it'll get down to a reasonable level (it's already getting close!)

Aug 18, 2009 at 03:37 AM

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p.2 #25 · 19 August-watch the Canon statements!!!!

Well we know there's going to be at least one announcement that Canon's admitted to, at least one lens (but I'd bet two, minimum) with their new IS technology. Question is, will it be a new lens, or a Mark II, or both? I'm hoping for a 24-70 f/2.8L IS myself.

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