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p.1 #1 · September Annoucement for 1D Mark IV

Just saw the following on Canonrumors.com listed as a CR2 rumor the following is quoted from Canonrumors.com

"September Announcement
A solid source has confirmed the launch of a new 1D camera in September.

The camera will be available for purchase in October in a limited number. Stock should be in full swing by the time Vancouver 2010 rolls around.

The camera will remain APS-H. The source added “photojournalists and sports photographers alike have overwhelmingly thrown their support behind the APS-H sensor. If you want full frame for your landscape and portrait work, Canon provides a superb 5D Mark II and 1Ds Mark III”.

There you have it."

Price tag please

Aug 11, 2009 at 07:12 AM

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p.1 #2 · September Annoucement for 1D Mark IV

Abiciriderback wrote:
Just saw the following on Canonrumors.com listed as a CR2 rumor the following is quoted from Canonrumors.com

"September Announcement
A solid source has confirmed the launch of a new 1D camera in September.

The camera will be available for purchase in October in a limited number. Stock should be in full swing by the time Vancouver 2010 rolls around.

The camera will remain APS-H. The source added “photojournalists and sports photographers alike have overwhelmingly thrown their support behind the APS-H sensor. If you want full frame for your landscape and portrait work, Canon provides a superb 5D Mark II and 1Ds Mark III”.

There you have it."

Price tag please

I wonder if remaining APS-H was wise.... If a D700x pops up....

anyway rumors say it has beyond incredible AF, we'll see, would be nice....

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p.1 #3 · September Annoucement for 1D Mark IV

having just spent a week on the west coast (of Ireland) using a 1dsMKii and an EOS3 I can't help wondering why canon haven't managed to make a DSLR with a viewfinder as bright as the EOS 3.
It kills me when I take the D450/Rebel XSi out for the day as I can barely see through the VF on it

John

Aug 11, 2009 at 07:58 AM

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p.1 #4 · September Annoucement for 1D Mark IV

"Canon provides a superb 5D MKII" =))

Aug 11, 2009 at 07:59 AM

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p.1 #5 · September Annoucement for 1D Mark IV

What a joke,a camera that can't focus anything that moves(even very slowly)

Aug 11, 2009 at 08:00 AM

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p.1 #6 · September Annoucement for 1D Mark IV

skibum5 wrote:

I wonder if remaining APS-H was wise.... If a D700x pops up....

If it does indeed remain APS-H, I just hope they dont up the megapixels to the 15-16 range, which is, unfortunately, quite likely.

The 1DMIII has amazing IQ.
One of the best out there, if not the best.

From what I can see from the 50d, I really, really hope they don't go overboard with the MPs...

Aug 11, 2009 at 09:04 AM

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p.1 #7 · September Annoucement for 1D Mark IV

I'll take a Mark IV with 12.1 MP, APS-H, and the new gapless sensor technology.

BTW: My Mark III AF seems to work close to perfect after the last run to Canon.

Aug 11, 2009 at 10:13 AM

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p.1 #8 · September Annoucement for 1D Mark IV

gabimaster wrote:
What a joke,a camera that can't focus anything that moves(even very slowly)

Some dpreview opinions here ...

Aug 11, 2009 at 10:20 AM

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p.1 #9 · September Annoucement for 1D Mark IV

If it does indeed remain APS-H, I just hope they dont up the megapixels to the 15-16 range, which is, unfortunately, quite likely...

I picked up some info recently indicating the Mark IV will have a 16 MB sensor.

Aug 11, 2009 at 10:24 AM

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p.1 #10 · September Annoucement for 1D Mark IV

Do you own one ?

gabimaster wrote:
What a joke,a camera that can't focus anything that moves(even very slowly)

Aug 11, 2009 at 10:46 AM

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p.1 #11 · September Annoucement for 1D Mark IV

Mike Abbott wrote:

If it does indeed remain APS-H, I just hope they dont up the megapixels to the 15-16 range, which is, unfortunately, quite likely...

I picked up some info recently indicating the Mark IV will have a 16 MB sensor.

And what about sensor size?
If it's FF, then it's fine.
If it's APS-H, then it's bad news, at least in my humble opinion.

Very disapointed with my 50d IQ performance in bad light/indoors...

My former 1DMIII was a dream in this regard.

Aug 11, 2009 at 11:39 AM

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p.1 #12 · September Annoucement for 1D Mark IV

kewlcanon wrote:
Do you own one ?

gabimaster wrote:
What a joke,a camera that can't focus anything that moves(even very slowly)

He don't, but he knows

Aug 11, 2009 at 11:40 AM

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p.1 #13 · September Annoucement for 1D Mark IV

gabimaster wrote:
What a joke,a camera that can't focus anything that moves(even very slowly)

Probably user error - mine works just fine. You could always invest in some photography lessons...

Aug 11, 2009 at 11:49 AM

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p.1 #14 · September Annoucement for 1D Mark IV

gabimaster wrote:
What a joke,a camera that can't focus anything that moves(even very slowly)

what a joke, a comment that makes me lock on any understanding (despite the very simple words).

Aug 11, 2009 at 12:13 PM

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p.1 #15 · September Annoucement for 1D Mark IV

gabimaster wrote:
What a joke,a camera that can't focus anything that moves(even very slowly)

Just wanted to say that I have had pretty good luck with my 5D2 for in flight shots, I would say it's not the same as my 1Dmark3 but I would not make the comment you have made.

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Aug 11, 2009 at 12:32 PM

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p.1 #16 · September Annoucement for 1D Mark IV

kewlcanon wrote:
Do you own one ?

gabimaster wrote:
What a joke,a camera that can't focus anything that moves(even very slowly)

Doubt that he has ever used one. It focuses very well on flying waterfowl which is a very difficult target. One of the most accurate focusing cameras I've used albeit not the fastest...

Aug 11, 2009 at 12:44 PM

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p.1 #17 · September Annoucement for 1D Mark IV

To get back to the topic, I have problems accessing canonrumors anymore... it looke like the recent posts are unavailables, including the 1DmkIV recent rumor... may it be true after all?

Aug 11, 2009 at 01:12 PM

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p.1 #18 · September Annoucement for 1D Mark IV

I've had trouble getting on their site since last Friday. He is in the process of switching over to dedicated hosting, so I'd bet that is the reason for all the down-time. Imagine the horror when I get a twitter message saying there is a new blog post about the 1D Mark IV and I can't read it!

fraga wrote:
Mike Abbott wrote:

If it does indeed remain APS-H, I just hope they dont up the megapixels to the 15-16 range, which is, unfortunately, quite likely...

I picked up some info recently indicating the Mark IV will have a 16 MB sensor.

And what about sensor size?
If it's FF, then it's fine.
If it's APS-H, then it's bad news, at least in my humble opinion.

Very disapointed with my 50d IQ performance in bad light/indoors...

My former 1DMIII was a dream in this regard.

Yeah, but you are way wrong on this. You are talking, first, about an APS-C sized sensor, a lot (relatively) smaller than the APS-H sensor of the 1D series. Coupled with the gap-less sensor lens technologies (which the Mark III doesn't use) 16MP is not that far fetched, though I would imagine it being a little closer to 14-15 to be right there with the D3 and still maximize the size of the photosites.

Second, you are comparing the sensor of an xxD camera to one going into a 1D series. Canon knows how to differentiate the quality of those sensors. Noise will likely be right on target, if not better, than that of the 5D Mark II my guess. The xxD line of cameras has pretty much always been pretty dicey (though more usable with each generation, surely) at the over-1600 ISO range.

On the topic of using FF over APS-H... I am pretty mixed. I like having that tiny bit of extra reach with the long glass, but it kills the wide-angles, something every PJ uses a lot. Losing that .3x can sometime mean someone is loosing a foot, at least with my meager 24-105L. I suppose if its APS-H, then I have to get me a 16-35L, which is next anyway

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There was also a lot of rumors about lenses, one was a 24-105mm f2.8L IS. Dang that would be HEAVY and amazing. Put one of those in a kit with the Mark IV, we got ourselves a stew going! (Arrested Development anyone?!

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p.1 #19 · September Annoucement for 1D Mark IV

kazman442 wrote:
gabimaster wrote:
What a joke,a camera that can't focus anything that moves(even very slowly)

Not to get off topic....but wow!

Aug 11, 2009 at 01:41 PM

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p.1 #20 · September Annoucement for 1D Mark IV

dmbphotography wrote:
Not to get off topic....but wow!

Yeah... you don't need to quote the pictures again. Sorry, people do that all the time and its frustrating... especially on a long set of images like that...

Of course, the images are quite good!

Aug 11, 2009 at 01:45 PM

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p.1 #21 · September Annoucement for 1D Mark IV

fraga wrote:
If it's APS-H, then it's bad news, at least in my humble opinion.

Very disapointed with my 50d IQ performance in bad light/indoors...

My former 1DMIII was a dream in this regard.

Why is it bad news? Just because 50D doesn't have a good reputation for good IQ, doesn't mean it's because of the MP. For all we know, it could've been caused by the new gapless microlens technology.

Besides, 50D uses APS-C sensor which is smaller than APS-H. If 12MP on APS-C 450D can be excellent, I don't see why 15MP on an APS-H sensor can't be great as well.

Aug 11, 2009 at 02:07 PM

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p.1 #22 · September Annoucement for 1D Mark IV

"If you want full frame for your landscape and portrait work, Canon provides a superb 5D Mark II and 1Ds Mark III"

Sigh, I certainly hope this isn't the official Canon thinking, that is that they see sports/action cams and landscape/still/portrait cams as separate beasts and that they have no intention of producing a relatively affordable FF camera that is adept at all aspects of photography, from action to stills to portraits (I'm curious about the features to be included on the 60D as well, that may give a good indication of the direction Canon's going to take when it comes to competing with Nikon and Sony). If that's the case, I really may have to move on or at least go to 2 systems for a while. I won't buy another APS-H cam and I've been waiting since the original 5D for a 3D type cam. I'll wait a bit longer but when next Spring rolls around (if not before) I'm upgrading my 5D + 1D2n (was supposed to upgrade to the 5D2 but I wasn't willing to keep living with a slow frame rate and AF not too suitable for action and the uncertain low ISO file quality). At this rate tho, I'll be very interested in an A900 replacement from Sony and whatever Nikon has out there. Too bad. Canon seems not to be interested in taking my money, even in this bad economy.

Canon, it's simple, produce a FF 3D or something very close. If you don't, my next cam and lens purchases will likely not be Canon.

Cheers!

Aug 11, 2009 at 02:58 PM

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p.1 #23 · September Annoucement for 1D Mark IV

n0b0 wrote:

Why is it bad news? Just because 50D doesn't have a good reputation for good IQ, doesn't mean it's because of the MP. For all we know, it could've been caused by the new gapless microlens technology.

Besides, 50D uses APS-C sensor which is smaller than APS-H. If 12MP on APS-C 450D can be excellent, I don't see why 15MP on an APS-H sensor can't be great as well.

I hope you are right.

Aug 11, 2009 at 03:02 PM

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p.1 #24 · September Annoucement for 1D Mark IV

fraga wrote:
Very disapointed with my 50d IQ performance in bad light/indoors...

My former 1DMIII was a dream in this regard.

Luis, no point in sweating over that.......my 40D files are also noisier than I expected. However, those two new cameras, i.e., 40D and 50D, have an improved and zippy AF, reliable peripheral AF points, soft sounding shutter/mirror, fairly decent AWB, accurate metering, very good ergonomics, and they are priced reasonably for the features they've got. In addition, 50D has a prodigeous pixel density of the imaging sensor.

All in all, that sounds to me like a winning formula for cameras in any price range.

I hope 1DMk IV will be worth its money too, whenever it gets announced.
No hurry here though. If the camera does its core functions consistently well, and I don't consider video, geo-tagging and wireless file transfer to be "core functions"

, and if it's priced reasonably, I'll take a look, once sufficient positive users' feedback is accumulated.

Aug 11, 2009 at 03:05 PM

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p.1 #25 · September Annoucement for 1D Mark IV

fraga wrote:
If it's APS-H, then it's bad news, at least in my humble opinion.
Very disapointed with my 50d IQ performance in bad light/indoors...

Do you realize the Nikon D300s/D90/D5000 sensor OUTperforms the 1D3 according to DXOMark? In fact, the difference in dynamic range across ALL ISOs is rather shocking. A 12 MP Nikon APS-C sensor is equivalent to 18 MP APS-H sensor in terms of pixel density.

So, the issue here is whether Canon has the technological ability to match Nikon's brilliant sensor performance. Canon sensor quality has been lagging Nikon for a while now. Many ignorant reviewers blame this on high pixel density when that is NOT the issue. Just look at D3X vs D3.

Aug 11, 2009 at 03:36 PM


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