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Pixel Perfect wrote:
There's a ton of room for improvement of the xxD AF that doesn't mean 1 series AF. But heck Nikon did it for maybe an extra few hundred bucks or so. I'd pay an $500 for 1 series type AF performance in a 60D.
I'd pay $500 for my truck to do 0-60 in 4 seconds and pull a 4 G corner too, never going to happen.
Of course you would, and so would I and everyone else, and that's why canon will won't do it. If they did that why would anyone buy a 1 series aside the top serious pros? AF would no longer be the reason to step up to a 1 series camera, and that's been canon's bread and butter to get people to upgrade for over 2 decades. Quality....yeah sure there is a gap but again for those that are not making a living on their images most would still be happy with 20D image quality. I still see 20D images every day that knock my socks off.
Lets call the AF ability of the 50D on a scale of 1 to 10 a four, and a 1series a 10, if canon brought a 60D up to 8 I and just about everyone I know with a 1 series would have never bought one and we'd all have 60D's. They might, bring it up to a 5, and if the new 1 series goes to 11 on improvements they might even go to a 6, but hey will always have a major gap.
Now if you want to play mythical 3D games. I can see a spot for the 3D, leave the 60D alone, it's AF is still going to be poor in servo. It gets more MP, HD video, etc. and stays at $1500. The 3D gets 1.6 crop, gets 5 fps tops has 75-80% of 1 series AF performance, and it's weather sealing, iso performance, etc. all fall in between the 60D line and the 1 series. It has less settable users options than the 1 series, and it's price is ~$3000. They could pull the nikon D700 trick and let users buy a battery grip that increases it to 8fps for another $300. That would be a good "gap" camera for them and I can actually see it selling. The birders and wildlife guys would love it.
Problem is even IF they did do that, for every post you see now whining about the XXD camera's AF sucks you'd see 10 whining about how the 3D is too expensive. People would still buy the 60D cause it's $1500 and whine that it's AF is not as good as the 3D and that they want the 3D series AF in the 70D for the same price. I understand wanting a pro level camera for $1500 but it ain't going to happen, it didn't happen 10 years ago, it isn't going to happen 10 years from now.
There are options, you can get a 4fps 1dsmk2 for $2000 and it's images will still rival whatever the 60D is, has weather sealing, super AF. It's not going to have HD video, or a built in flash, or a super huge LCD. If you need 8fps you can get a 1dmk2n for $1500. Hell right now you can get a refurbished 1dmk3 for under $3000 that's basically brand new, and will spank whatever the 60D is going to be. You can dump canon glass for 90% of it's value, and buy a D700 and the more expensive and IMO more limited glass.
But getting 90+% of a 1 series camera for $1500-2000 intro retail price.....good luck, keep living the pipe dream. The nikon D300 AF/iso is still a good gap from the D700 or D3/D3x AF and it's $1800 street price, the D700 is closer again but it's $2500 street price, and only 5fps and they all have different ISO performance. Canon may do a similar setup in the lineup but then everyone will just complain that they are too expensive and continue to whine that they can't get a new pro level body for $1500.
If canon is feeling the heat from nikon with the D300 and D700, and they probalby are, they are both great cameras, I don't think they will respond to it seriously in the 60D, they might do so with the 70D, and I would guess even if it delays the next 1 series generation release that it tops nikon. When the D700 is close to the performance of the D3/D3x it won't be that hard. The economy is another issue, if canon were to jump the price of the 60D up to $2000-2500 how many sales would they loose? I don't think the world economy is going to get any better in the next year or so and less people have $2000 to spend on a camera than probalby in the past 5 years. So canon would be smart to keep the price as low as possible. Due to that it also would not surprise me to see both nikon and canon focus more on their entry/low level cameras and pushing more features and marketing there in harder economic times.
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A $5000 camera that's between the 5dmk2 and the 1dsmk3? or a $3000 camera between the XXD and the 1dmk3? Problem is if they do that and it's 90% of the performance of either no one will buy the 1 series. Worse yet if they pack that into it and it's only a few hundred dollars more than a XXD no one will buy the XXD or the 1series.