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p.3 #1 · 13

jeremy_clay wrote:
Andrew Welsh wrote:

The 200/2 pretty much shuts up every bob that I've encountered.

You mention that thing more then I do toobz.

Andrew is making up for other....shortcomings.

Jun 29, 2009 at 09:17 PM

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p.3 #2 · 13

Would they still be considered Uncle Bobs if they have the expensive equipment but still took good shots and stayed out of the pro's way? I think I'm an Uncle Bob...sorry Jay Premac....

Jun 29, 2009 at 11:58 PM

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p.3 #3 · 13

sboerup wrote:
It should also reaffirm your necessity to get paid upfront for everything. I don't care if there would be 15 bobs, as long as I am paid. If bob is in every pic, thats not fault. I really wish brides would tell people not to bring those kind of cameras.

I talk with the B&G during our consult about this very thing. I let them know that if I am doing posed formals and romantic shots before/after the wedding I will ask any guests in the room to please refrain from taking any photos. I tell them if the B&G have time when I am done then have at it.
I explain to them that time is usually short and having guests snapping pics of my poses takes away from that...not to mention whos eyes will be on their uncles camera when they should be on mine, I then show them a few examples of the wondering eyes from past weddings...once they listen to what I say then I show them the photos...they are on board 100%
George

Jun 29, 2009 at 11:59 PM

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p.3 #4 · 13

4honor wrote:
13 is unlucky...

I guess it's time I upgrade this little XSi to like the 1Ds3 or something... Thanks for the warning!

Just a fwiw....if I put my 70-200 2.8 IS on my 5D and take a pic...then I take that lens off and put it on my XSI and take the same pic...you would be only guessing as to which took which picture.
Unless it's real low light where I might have to get over 800 ISO...I have never hesitated to grab the XSI...especially when I need/want a bit more reach.
To the op...I rarely pay any attention to what anyone else is shooting with as long as they are not in my way.
As usual...ymmv
George

Jun 30, 2009 at 12:08 AM

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p.3 #5 · 13

Keep uncle Bob humble and out of your way.

Rent my equipment for your next wedding, full scuba gear, tanks, spear gun and fins included.

Hugo

2008 © huguito

Jun 30, 2009 at 12:43 AM

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p.3 #6 · 13

jeremy_clay wrote:
Andrew Welsh wrote:

The 200/2 pretty much shuts up every bob that I've encountered.

You mention that thing more then I do toobz.
I would disagree. Granted, you've been quiet about the toobz this year, but last year you was all about the toobz. Perhaps a thorough search could solve that riddle

I'll prolly shut up about it after a while. It's still new to me

dpun wrote:
Andrew is making up for other....shortcomings.

Namely my 50/1.4, 85/1.8 and sigma flashes which I skimped out on upgrading in order to afford said lens

Jun 30, 2009 at 03:39 AM

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Hmmm. Given my budget I may have to take a different course...I've got decent gear, but it's not new and top of the line. Maybe I'll go the opposite direction...instead of upping to the latest digital gear, I'll become one of those natural light ninjas...I'll only use my Leica, and move around the venue with cat-like stealth. The uncle bobs will wonder if there even is a photographer. I'll make Jeff Ascough look like Aunt Wilma with a disposable point and shoot. Only the *real* camera geeks will recognize what I've got in my hands...the tiny piece of German engineered chrome and leather 1950's technology will baffle everyone else. I'll capture the entire day with nothing but my trusty M3, Summicron 50, and four rolls of film. I'll save the T-MAX 3200 for the ceremony. The "Storm of Grain" can become one of my signatures...

In all seriousness, at least around here I don't think it's that big of a problem. Montana isn't exactly known as a hotbed of economic activity

. There are plenty of bobs, but I'll be pretty surprised if I see anyone sporting a 1Ds3. I doubt that many people around here even know what a boda bag is, much less think about taking one as a guest. Seriously, that's just crazy! And bizarre. Why on earth would anyone want to pack all that crap to a wedding they aren't getting paid for?

I do see your point though...there is something to be said for having everything about you appear professional when you're on the job, and having a Drebel probably isn't going to get you any points. At least around here though, I think "pretty good" is probably "good enough" for appearances sake. Only the true gearheads are going to know my 1Ds is getting a little long in the tooth...to everyone else, it's just a great big chunk of a camera.

Jun 30, 2009 at 04:08 AM

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p.3 #8 · 13

Bob will be killed this year. THIS YEAR.

Jun 30, 2009 at 05:36 AM

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p.3 #9 · 13

Always have been, always will be. At least they're behind you and will probabaly remain there. It's not like they're here Sam. They're just coming. It's not like they'll ever get here.

Jun 30, 2009 at 05:55 AM

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p.3 #10 · 13

I just noticed you still shoot with a xxD body. Freakin' loser.

Jun 30, 2009 at 05:57 AM

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p.3 #11 · 13

I don't care who's coming. I will shoot whatever I please to get the best work done that I think is possible. On some occasions that has been my LX3!!!

:-)

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13 bobs at todays 80 person wedding. 13 with SLR's. D700, 5D's, 40D's, L glass, boda bags, and topped off with one who rocked a fong. 13 who all watched to see what the pro was gonna pull out when it was game time. My equipment was best, cost the most and I had the most red stripes on my lenses. This needs to be everyone's testimony. Bob is watching. Bob also has a big mouth and will talk about your low grade gear.

To the folks on the forum who shoot weddings with Rebels and D40's, your gonna raise a lot of eyebrows. The pro-sumers are out in full effect. Can you shoot a wedding with the said cameras? Sure? Can you shoot a wedding WELL with these cameras? I'd say yes. Will it hurt your reputation as a pro photographer to be out done in way of equipment by a guest a wedding? I'd say yes.

Buy the best. Bob is coming.

Jun 30, 2009 at 06:11 AM

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p.3 #12 · 13

If it comes to it, I guess I could hire a muscleman and have him carry my 600/4 around for the day. He would'nt have to take any pictures, just hit uncle bob's with it. :-)

Merv

Jun 30, 2009 at 06:32 AM

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I know that most of the people here are pros and I am some what of a Bob at weddings, but that last one I went to, the photographer had a Rebel with kit lens and no flash (I have 5DMrkII and L stuff). She did everything she could to make sure I had 0 time with the couple (as in she gave me false info and ran the other way with the couple).

She got paid, I got 0$.

The picture that was put in the thank you card was mine, hers were never shown, not even on Facebook.

I know that 90% of the wedding photographers are better than me, but in case someone I love has hired the crappy one, I rather play safe, be a Bob and make sure they get a nice souvenir. Of course, if I see that the guy knows what he is doing I will take a few pics and then put the camera back in the bag.

Jul 04, 2009 at 07:18 PM

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Sam Hassas wrote:
13 bobs at todays 80 person wedding. 13 with SLR's. D700, 5D's, 40D's, L glass, boda bags, and topped off with one who rocked a fong. 13 who all watched to see what the pro was gonna pull out when it was game time. My equipment was best, cost the most and I had the most red stripes on my lenses. This needs to be everyone's testimony. Bob is watching. Bob also has a big mouth and will talk about your low grade gear.

To the folks on the forum who shoot weddings with Rebels and D40's, your gonna raise a lot of eyebrows. The pro-sumers are out in full effect. Can you shoot a wedding with the said cameras? Sure? Can you shoot a wedding WELL with these cameras? I'd say yes. Will it hurt your reputation as a pro photographer to be out done in way of equipment by a guest a wedding? I'd say yes.

Buy the best. Bob is coming.

Strange post. Trying to justify your purchase? Why come to a forum and tell others what equipment to buy?

Professionals never do that. Professionals produce results and have the people skills to avoid "gear talk" or "gear rumors" with guests.

TIP FOR YOU TO AVOID GEAR TALK AND GEAR REPUTATION:

To answer the last part of your post - I have seen pros rock weddings with Nikon D70's even while there were guests using Canon 5DIIs. They were smart enough to do an engagement shoot with the couple before the wedding, produced an amazing 3 foot tall print hung during the wedding (with the pros name all over it) for all the guests to see. Trust me, NOBODY questioned the pros gear or talents during or after the wedding.

Update to make myself clear since its obvious he is a capable photographer:

Learn to back up your work with image examples during the wedding.

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Jul 04, 2009 at 09:31 PM

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hyperion wrote:
Strange post. Trying to justify your purchase? Why come to a forum and tell others what equipment to buy?

Professionals never do that. Professionals produce results and have the people skills to avoid "gear talk" or "gear rumors" with guests.

TIP FOR YOU TO AVOID GEAR TALK AND GEAR REPUTATION:

To answer the last part of your post - I have seen pros rock weddings with Nikon D70's even while there were guests using Canon 5DIIs. They were smart enough to do an engagement shoot with the couple before the wedding, produced an amazing 3 foot tall print hung during the wedding (with the pros name all over it) for all the guests to see. Trust me, NOBODY questioned the pros gear or talents during or after the wedding.

Talk is cheap - learn to back up your work with EXAMPLES.

Thats how a pro works.

Apparently you can't appreciate humor laced with some truth. The man can speak for himself but he makes bank and produces good images... What other definition of pro is there?

Jul 04, 2009 at 10:08 PM

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p.3 #16 · 13

This thread is worthless without pics!!!

Jul 04, 2009 at 10:53 PM

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p.3 #17 · 13

hyperion wrote:

Talk is cheap - learn to back up your work with EXAMPLES.

Thats how a pro works.

you want sam to post examples showcasing his 13 uncle bobs? that wouldnt be wildly unprofessional now, would it?

or you want samples of his work? a simple clickety click on his name or www would yield results.

or if you're really hard up for more hassas in your life, you should - to coin a (recently and awesomely coined) phrase - google him harder.

Jul 05, 2009 at 12:26 AM

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p.3 #18 · 13

Old one.

Jul 05, 2009 at 01:20 AM

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p.3 #19 · 13

Wow RED, you actually posted a wedding picture? This must be a blue moon.

Jul 05, 2009 at 02:35 AM

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p.3 #20 · 13

RedWhiteandRed wrote:
Old one.

This image is copyrighted by the owner

How cool...a Bob-O-Rama.

Jul 05, 2009 at 05:03 PM

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p.3 #21 · 13

hyperion wrote:
Talk is cheap - learn to back up your work with EXAMPLES.

Thats how a pro works.

This needs some green & white technology for sure. If you just saw a glimpse of sams work you would need to shield your eyes from his amount of awesomeness.

Jul 05, 2009 at 05:22 PM

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p.3 #22 · 13

Why all the flaming?

Equipment is much more of a facilitator than anything else. The Xsi and the MKIII may show similar results at ISO100 in a controlled studio environment, but throw in a dark wedding hall, and it becomes much harder with the Xsi, but not impossible.

Before taking a bite out of Sam take a minute to de-lace the humor from perspective and focus on the latter.

Of course a Rebel and kit lens isn't going to replace a high-end photographer (based on ability, talent and execution, as well as gear) for couples that can budget for one.

The reality remains however that an old generation of photographers that used to get away with a kit lens and on camera flash are now getting replaced as the industry's "budget" offering. We now have a medicore to good bunch of Bobs with anywhere from a D40 to the top gear offerings from Canikon willing to just take pictures for the love of photography. As these Bobs get more practice and do more work, the quality of pictures they produce will not amaze but rather satisfy penny pinchers. It is at this point that a photographer must ask himself what he/she can offer to potential customers above and beyond taking reasonably good pictures with top-end equipment.

This is a photographer's brand. Look to the Hassas or Pingol or sboerup or Hoffer or Mr. TOOBZ (a local shout-out) for some inspiration (amongst many others I assure you). And although their pictures are top notch; there's much more behind their pictures that runs a business; parts of their brand that they can't or won't share as they do their photos.

I love Uncle Bobs. I treat it them as Wal-Mart moving into my neighbourhood. A warning sign of sorts. If I can't be better and attract clientelle, it's time to move on.

Jul 05, 2009 at 10:41 PM

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sboerup wrote:
hyperion wrote:
Talk is cheap - learn to back up your work with EXAMPLES.

Thats how a pro works.

This needs some green & white technology for sure. If you just saw a glimpse of sams work you would need to shield your eyes from his amount of awesomeness.

Read the full post.

Examples at the time of the wedding. Not this forum.

Those examples will help calm peoples gear fears.

Jul 05, 2009 at 11:20 PM

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hyperion wrote:
Read the full post.

Examples at the time of the wedding. Not this forum.

Those examples will help calm peoples gear fears.

our reading comprehension clearly isn't the problem.

Jul 05, 2009 at 11:24 PM

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p.3 #25 · 13

Sam, did you come up with some snappy lines to fend them off during formals?

Jul 05, 2009 at 11:24 PM


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