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p.1 #1 · Softbox for 580ex flashes

I'm looking at getting some soft boxes for portrait work.

Are there any that work good with flashes like the 580? There are so many out there, but the bigger ones I wonder if they would work well, or if I should consider buying more powerful flashes?

I plan to shoot indoor (studio) and outdoor portrait with them.

I have 2 off-camera (PW controlled) Canon 580's that I like to use. They are light, quick to setup and fairly cheap. So I am hoping to be able to stick with them.

Jun 20, 2009 at 07:00 PM

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p.1 #2 · Softbox for 580ex flashes

Nowhere man,
All depends on what you are shooting, one person groups etc. the flash you have should work for you.
I picked this one up last week, its very nice and portable.

http://www.adorama.com/PFLDSK.html?searchinfo=photoflex+soft+box

Jun 20, 2009 at 08:06 PM

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p.1 #3 · Softbox for 580ex flashes

I have a pair of Westcott 28" Apollos that I like.

Jun 21, 2009 at 12:46 PM

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p.1 #4 · Softbox for 580ex flashes

I have an Interfit 22" , which breaks down nice, works fine.

Jun 21, 2009 at 05:22 PM

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p.1 #5 · Softbox for 580ex flashes

Thanks for the replies. Do you guys have to use some sort of adapter rings to be able to attach them to the flash units and how sturdy is the attachment?

Jun 21, 2009 at 06:02 PM

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p.1 #6 · Softbox for 580ex flashes

The Apollo JS series has 2 advantages-

1: No speed ring needed. The flash sits inside, even with the "big" 50" unit.

2: You get better spread / diffusion of the light, because the flash points towards the back and bounces off a silver surface, before hitting the sides & front panel. This is important because a Speedlight has a built-in fresnel that directs the light forward, as opposed to a strobe which uses a bare bulb.

Some other designs (Lumiquest, etc) add a thicker piece in the center of the front, to even things out. Photoflex offers a special dome, which goes over the Speedlight & spreads its output nicely. Unfortunately, both of these solutions cost you some light, and is still not as good.
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The Apollo JS series has 3 disadvantages-

1: The Speedlight is enclosed, so to make any adjustments you have to open up a velcro'd flap. Not a huge deal, but it seems to bother some folks.

2: Because the flash is enclosed, it will not work with ETTL, though most folks like to work in manual mode anyway.

3: You can't use the same modifiers with monolights & flash heads, so if you use both you will have to buy twice as many modifiers.
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I'm currently looking at the Photoflex systems, which can easily be used for all lights. There are many other options, but Photoflex seems to have a very good design vs price (esp vs the Magic Slipper) and they answer tech emails quickly and in detail. They also have really excellent tutorials on their website. I'm just liking this company.

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Jun 21, 2009 at 08:31 PM

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p.1 #7 · Softbox for 580ex flashes

FWIW- I am also considering the more expensive line from Photoflex that is made for hot (movie) lights. They also work fine for still photography, but if I ever get serious about DSLR video, I can switch-in 1,000 watt heads and use the same modifiers. That's a nice option.

Jun 21, 2009 at 08:33 PM

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p.1 #8 · Softbox for 580ex flashes

Great info. Thanks Cabble.

Can you tell me which particular model of Apollo and which from Photoflex?

I like the idea of being able to use the same stuff on monolights, should I move to those more powerful lights in the future, so I'm leaning towards those. I shoot all manual and lifting the velcro is not a big deal for adjustments.

Jun 21, 2009 at 09:10 PM

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p.1 #9 · Softbox for 580ex flashes

I use both the 28" Apollo and the 50" Apollo, and both fit on my Alien Bees mono lights and my Speedlights (with the use of an umbrella adapter).

The 28", which is my workhorse, was just broken during a workshop I was teaching. Trying to find out if the Warranty will cover it.

Awesome softbox modifiers. I LOVE that they open and close like umbrellas.

Totally recommended.

Jun 22, 2009 at 03:16 AM

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Update: When I spoke of the Apollo, above, I meant the Apollo JS, which is specifically designed for Speedlights. (I amended my post) The "plain" Apollo line (which I didn't know existed until Sid's post) is a completely different design. Looks good, too. Definitely an alternative to the Photoflex.

Sid, what specific hotshoe adapter and speedring are you using, and which Speedlight?

Jun 22, 2009 at 04:09 AM

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p.1 #11 · Softbox for 580ex flashes

Sid is talking about the Westcott 28inch here: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=62240&is=REG

and the 50 inch here: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=workaround.jsp&A=details&Q=&sku=62236&is=REG

Taken right from the Zack Arais school of photography.

Great article feathering the 28 incher from Zack is here: http://www.zarias.com/?p=27

Jun 22, 2009 at 05:43 AM

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p.1 #12 · Softbox for 580ex flashes

Cable,

No speedring is needed when using this with my Alien Bee. The softbox opens up, and I just slip the umbrella rod into the umbrella holder on the AB.

I'm using a regular Bogen/Manfrotto Umbrella Adapter for my speedlight setup. Bracket runs about 25 bucks.

Here is the 28" with an Alien Bee attached:

This image is copyrighted by the owner

Jun 22, 2009 at 12:20 PM

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p.1 #13 · Softbox for 580ex flashes

Cableaddict wrote:
The Apollo JS series has 2 advantages-

1: No speed ring needed. The flash sits inside, even with the "big" 50" unit.

2: You get better spread / diffusion of the light, because the flash points towards the back and bounces off a silver surface, before hitting the sides & front panel. This is important because a Speedlight has a built-in fresnel that directs the light forward, as opposed to a strobe which uses a bare bulb.

Some other designs (Lumiquest, etc) add a thicker piece in the center of the front, to even things out. Photoflex offers a special dome, which goes over the Speedlight & spreads its output nicely. Unfortunately, both of these solutions cost you some light, and is still not as good.
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The Apollo JS series has 3 disadvantages-

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2: Because the flash is enclosed, it will not work with ETTL, though most folks like to work in manual mode anyway.

I use a Wescott Apollo softbox which is enclosed as you describe and pointed to the rear for great diffusion qualities but I'm using the ETTL with a ST-E2 without any problems indoors and have even used it at close range outdoors. Maybe I'm lucky or just confused but it works fine. Of course I haven't used it in sunlight or at extreme distances either.

Regards,

Roger

Jun 22, 2009 at 04:41 PM

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p.1 #14 · Softbox for 580ex flashes

Yep, 28" apollo here as well. With PW and WL1600 or with 1 or 2 580II's with radio poppers. Using the RP's lets you adjust power without have to open up the front of the softbox, which is nice if you are outside and moving around a lot. I use it on a monopod quite a bit with the speedlight, and while it is kinda awkward sometimes, it still works out pretty well. And the light from it is amazing!

Jun 22, 2009 at 08:09 PM

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Tom K. wrote:

Taken right from the Zack Arais school of photography.

Great article feathering the 28 incher from Zack is here: http://www.zarias.com/?p=27

Oh, and +1 for the Onelight DVD - where I really learned a lot about off camera flash and where I saw the apollo's used for the first time...

Jun 22, 2009 at 08:11 PM

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Sid Ceaser wrote:
Cable,

No speedring is needed when using this with my Alien Bee. The softbox opens up, and I just slip the umbrella rod into the umbrella holder on the AB.

I'm using a regular Bogen/Manfrotto Umbrella Adapter for my speedlight setup. Bracket runs about 25 bucks.

Sid, that's brilliant! B&H, Adorama, and even Westcott told me that you can't use strobes with these boxes. They didn't think of this work-around. So simple.
You should definitely send these pics to Westcot.

I'm not a huge Paul Buff fan, but this idea, with Einsteins & a cyber-commander, would be fantatsic. You wouldn't have to open up the box to make adjustments.

Jun 22, 2009 at 09:18 PM

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Cableaddict wrote:
Photoflex offers a special dome, which goes over the Speedlight & spreads its output nicely. Unfortunately, both of these solutions cost you some light, and is still not as good.

Can you please provide a link or more info about this photoflex adapter?

Nice thing I see with photoflex SB is that same works with my ABs and 550ex. And I can use grids if I want to. Some others SB for hot shoe flash don't have option of grids if one needs them.

Jun 22, 2009 at 09:19 PM

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shutterbug guy wrote:

I use a Wescott Apollo softbox which is enclosed as you describe and pointed to the rear for great diffusion qualities but I'm using the ETTL with a ST-E2 without any problems indoors and have even used it at close range outdoors. Maybe I'm lucky or just confused but it works fine.

Good to know, Roger. However, I have read several reports of it NOT working, even indoors. I guess it depends upon the angle to the key light, how much ambient light, etc. Bottom line is that it can be problematic. Then again, using some kind of radio system with adjustable power (the new poppers, the cyber commander, the new Skyport) is a much better solution, anyway. I can't imagine using infrared anymore (looking to switch very soon) except for very high sync speeds.

Jun 22, 2009 at 09:23 PM

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bobbyz wrote:
Cableaddict wrote:
Photoflex offers a special dome, which goes over the Speedlight & spreads its output nicely. Unfortunately, both of these solutions cost you some light, and is still not as good.

Can you please provide a link or more info about this photoflex adapter? .

trying to find it myself. This info came from a Photoflex tech, responding to my email a few weeks ago. I will email him back & find out.

Jun 22, 2009 at 09:24 PM

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p.1 #20 · Softbox for 580ex flashes

Is it this one you speak of Cable?

http://www.photoflex.com/Photoflex_Products/LiteDome_xs_Kit_1/index.html

Jun 22, 2009 at 09:40 PM

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p.1 #21 · Softbox for 580ex flashes

I have been looking at what looks like a good option for those of us who already own Canon 580's. Search for Interfit Strobies. B&H has the soft box unit listed for 115.00. Very unique approach for those who like to travel lite.

Jun 22, 2009 at 09:45 PM

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p.1 #22 · Softbox for 580ex flashes

This one Spyglass?

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/621578-REG/Interfit_INT327_STROBIE_XS_BRACKET_KIT.html

Jun 22, 2009 at 09:57 PM

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p.1 #23 · Softbox for 580ex flashes

Cableaddict wrote:
shutterbug guy wrote:

I use a Wescott Apollo softbox which is enclosed as you describe and pointed to the rear for great diffusion qualities but I'm using the ETTL with a ST-E2 without any problems indoors and have even used it at close range outdoors. Maybe I'm lucky or just confused but it works fine.

Good to know, Roger. However, I have read several reports of it NOT working, even indoors. I guess it depends upon the angle to the key light, how much ambient light, etc. Bottom line is that it can be problematic. Then again, using some kind of radio system with adjustable power (the new poppers, the cyber commander, the new Skyport) is a much better solution, anyway. I can't imagine using infrared anymore (looking to switch very soon) except for very high sync speeds.

Yep you're right, it's old technology and under uncontrolled circumstances it is unreliable I'm sure. But it's bought and paid for, so that's a +1 for me.

At first I was going to jump on the radio poppers then heard about the upcoming pocket wizards, then read the problems with interference with them. Then it was the skyports, are they truly ETTL? And Paul Buff and his Cybersyncs and the Einsteins. Man, I just don't know which bandwagon to jump on. The radio controlled ETTL would be great, but which one? I'm leaning towards the latest round of Radio Poppers. For now I'll just continue using my obsolete ST-E2 and 580's, they seem to work just fine for now, even with all of the limitations. And then there's the little voice that just says go manual and use your flash meter. So many choices now, can't say which is better at this point imho.

Thanks for the insight,

Roger

Jun 23, 2009 at 02:35 AM

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p.1 #24 · Softbox for 580ex flashes

I made my own speedlite setup for softboxes about a year ago, works very well although will never match a studio light bulb, but is an easy an cheap option. I think my approach works a lot better than the interfit mentioned above as it doesn't allow for light leak out the back, and also has much simpler connection to a light stand. Both SB-28's are taped together around the top half of the units, and this makes them fit very securely into the bracket.

I use my DIY version with 2 Nikon SB-28's, big power in these cheap units and having 2 together gives me a good amount of light to play with.

Also anyone notice that my poor 50mm f1.4 lense is damaged, noticable in the last pic, I think one of the glass elements has come out of alignment as the focus plane is way out of level.

Jun 23, 2009 at 03:55 AM

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p.1 #25 · Softbox for 580ex flashes

Lightbox, that is great! I thought about doing something a bit similar with some L-Brackets from HomeDepot.

There is something I don't like about the Interfit design. It seems that it would be a pain in the ass to adjust the flash output, when shooting in manual mode. The picture on BH shows the Flash controls pointing down towards the ground.

The LiteDome xs Kit 1 looks more functional.

Jun 23, 2009 at 04:23 AM


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