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p.5 #1 · Galbraith Update: MK III Not Improved


Glen_C wrote:
...the 1DmkIII is the best focusing camera they ever built.


Yes, I remember. That was after they had done two major firmware revisions after spending multiple test sessions with RG, documenting all of the tests and results. At that time, clearly they agreed with him and went to work trying to fix everything he demonstrated for them. And you might remember they were actually having him test some of the corrections after developing them. Apparently his initial and subsequent demonstrations for them were very effective. That's what I was referring to.

The press release you quoted is often referred to as "Damage Control".



May 31, 2009 at 02:52 AM
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Garylv wrote:
after spending multiple test sessions with RG, documenting all of the tests and results. At that time, clearly they agreed with him and went to work trying to fix everything he demonstrated for them.


Do you know why they had to work with RG? It would seem that, based on reports from others that had the same problems, that it wasn't difficult to reproduce. Why couldn't Canon do this testing without RG?



May 31, 2009 at 03:04 AM
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I'd have to think they were able to reproduce them too, at certain stages of the research. Two of the main reasons for the multiple trips to Arizona was the heat and lighting. But remember that was still pretty early in the process, before they had even developed the sub-mirror recall. They discovered more about the cause as the work continued.

They certainly were aware of the problem and started working hard on it.

"It was clear, however, that EOS-1D Mark III autofocus had the full attention of Canon's engineers."




May 31, 2009 at 03:16 AM
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p.5 #4 · Galbraith Update: MK III Not Improved


Garylv wrote:Two of the main reasons for the multiple trips to Arizona was the heat and lighting.


I would have thought a huge company such as Canon had a lab that they could use to reproduce these exact conditions.



May 31, 2009 at 03:31 AM
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p.5 #5 · Galbraith Update: MK III Not Improved


I agree. Apparently they didn't know what exact conditions caused the inconsistency, and neither did RG at first. But they could see the results and continued testing and documenting. I'm sure they can produce it now if they want to. Evidently they don't quite know how to fix it completely. They did make some big improvements however. Lots of users like ourselves could see the results.

May 31, 2009 at 03:43 AM
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p.5 #6 · Galbraith Update: MK III Not Improved


After reading RG's article, all of a sudden my 1DMKIII started acting up...
I guess he has special powers...

May 31, 2009 at 03:51 AM
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Nick Nishizaka wrote:
After reading RG's article, all of a sudden my 1DMKIII started acting up...
I guess he has special powers...


Lol. Mine's the same as it was two days ago.

May 31, 2009 at 03:56 AM
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p.5 #8 · Galbraith Update: MK III Not Improved


Consider yourself lucky.
RG is fine tuning his "Find all 1DMKIII's and destroy them" machine.
Apparently yours fell through the cracks...

Right now my 1DMKIII is a door stopper. Does it's job. It's nice and sturdy so it holds my door open. Well, once in a while it would tip over and fall. I have to talk to Canon about that one. Maybe in they will address that in firmware 1.2.6.


Garylv wrote:
Nick Nishizaka wrote:
After reading RG's article, all of a sudden my 1DMKIII started acting up...
I guess he has special powers...


Lol. Mine's the same as it was two days ago.



May 31, 2009 at 04:01 AM
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The ultimate result from all this....Canon is going to have one hell of a hard time selling the next 1D-series body, and the pre-release marketing for that body will almost certainly be overwhelming.

May 31, 2009 at 04:09 AM
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Yeah...gotta admit. It's just one thing after the next with Canon. I think they did well with the 5DMKII, though it wasn't without its problems. None of them show stoppers however.

They really need to put something special out for the next gen 1D series...

May 31, 2009 at 04:12 AM
 



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How about Auto Microfocus Adjustment ?

May 31, 2009 at 04:15 AM
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The ultimate result from all this....Canon is going to have one hell of a hard time selling the next 1D-series body


Only to people that allow others to do their thinking for them. Personally, I'd rather test the camera myself and decide if it meets my needs.



May 31, 2009 at 04:16 AM
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That's what I've been wondering too, Nathan. People were lined up to buy the Mark III when it became available, even with RG's preliminary warnings before it hit the stores.

I wonder what will happen with the next one. That's actually something I'm looking forward to. Especially early user reports. It will be very interesting to see how Canon describes the AF system also.

"All new AF system!" - Or - "Same Great AF System!"

That's the part I'm really looking forward to!


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May 31, 2009 at 04:17 AM
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Curator wrote:
Only to people that allow others to do their thinking for them. Personally, I'd rather test the camera myself and decide if it meets my needs.


Unlike, it seems, many people in this thread!


May 31, 2009 at 04:18 AM
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Curator wrote:
Only to people that allow others to do their thinking for them. Personally, I'd rather test the camera myself and decide if it meets my needs.


Unlike, it seems, many people in this thread!


Lol. It's a fairly hefty price tag. I'll go way out on a limb and say a lot more people are going to wait for some user reports this time. How's that for a bold prediction? (joking)


May 31, 2009 at 04:25 AM
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Yeah, it's one thing to read the reviews before you make a purchase decision, it's quite another to decide you don't like the camera you already own because it received an unfavorable review. In all truth though, I suspect those most excited about RG's negative review are those looking for additional justification (or consolation) for their decision (voluntary or otherwise) not to buy one!

May 31, 2009 at 04:32 AM
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Hey, for what it's worth, I shot a track and field event with my 5D2s a couple weeks ago, and AI Servo worked perfectly!

May 31, 2009 at 04:40 AM
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globalkiwi wrote:
In all truth though, I suspect those most excited about RG's negative review are those looking for additional justification (or consolation) for their decision (voluntary or otherwise) not to buy one!


You might be right.

I'm still pretty happy with both of mine, one was an early production model from 2007 that was sent in for all the repairs, the second one was purchased in late 2008. I know how to work around the inconsistencies in some conditions when necessary, and the rest of the time they're great. Mine are fabulous indoors. Always have been. And I love how responsive the focus is. That's what made me buy another one. But I also think the Mark III images look great.




May 31, 2009 at 04:41 AM
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In my opinion, the bottom line is that threads like this indicate that there is still a great deal of uncertainty with the Mark III. For many this uncertainty will certainly sway them away from the camera and continue to use something proven such as the mark II N or mark II. The reality is that you just won't know if the camera you purchase will function properly or not- which is not something that a working professional should have to worry about, especially with expensive equipment like this. It certainly seems that it is functioning properly for some people, and it also seems like it is working rather poorly.
In my own experience the mark III malfunctioned erratically- and that is why I moved away from it. When it worked, it worked really well, with great images. But many people can't deal with these variances, especially when their paycheck depends on it.
I shot with a D3 and D700 alongside a 5D mark II and that was a solid combination. The D3 was very responsive and functioned very, very well. I also used a 1ds3 and that was very much different compared to the 1d mark III- it was much better.
Look, I don't care if the D3 doesn't AF as fast as the 1d3, or silly comparisons like that- all I know is that the D3 works when and where it's supposed to, and the 1d3 has often failed where it is supposed to perform, sometimes, when you least expect it. And that is something that is troublesome, and not worth risking, especially when there are other options that are available today.

It's hard to imagine how much time Canon's engineers can dedicate to the mark IV while still cleaning up the issues from the mark III. We'll see.

May 31, 2009 at 04:59 AM
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p.5 #20 · Galbraith Update: MK III Not Improved


orangefirefish wrote:
The reality is that you just won't know if the camera you purchase will function properly or not- which is not something that a working professional should have to worry about, especially with expensive equipment like this.


This reality exists for all other cameras as well. That's why professionals carry a backup.

orangefirefish wrote:
It certainly seems that it is functioning properly for some people, and it also seems like it is working rather poorly.


Again, something that can be said of every model of camera produced. The Mark III is currently being scrutinized more than other cameras, so more problems will be discussed.



May 31, 2009 at 05:22 AM
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