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Carmen Miranda
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p.4 #1 · Beware- Gitzo tripod failures !!!

Jim Victory wrote:

Carmen please enlighten us wildlife photogs on the proper way to carry a large lens on a tripod?

Conscientiously.

It's not like I don't carry a big lens on stix either. It's just that I don't expect Gitzo to assume responsibility for using their product other than for what it was designed.

Could Gitzo design a plate or crown specifically for this purpose? Sure, but you'd still have the same issues with 3/8" head bolt, ball head, QR plate or 1/4-20 mount screw. Even if RRS provided a underplate to secure the top plate, would they be willing to assume the risk and condone transporting a 400mm f4 on one of their heads in this manner?

This discussion is more a matter of risk assessment than it is about tripod design. If a tripod or head manufacturer addresses this issue directly and expressly improves performance in this area, they become implicitly liable. Again, I challenge anyone to name a manufacturer that would condone such a practice.
Do you seriously think that any tripod manufacturer does not want to satisfy the wildlife and sports photographer and be their "brand" of choice?
You don't think they don't already know how we use our sticks?

I have a number of Gitzo's, I really can't see any difference between the old and new as far as how the Systematic plate is attached. They have withstood the test and I can't think of a product on the market that would be better with a long lens. If I did, I'd own one. But as I walk or run with my lens attached, I know I'm taking my chances and putting undo strain in places that were not designed for that use.

The fact that many, if not most, wildlife and sports photographers use Gitzo stix in this way is more a tacit testament to Gitzo quality and performance than it is an outright endorsement of the practice. Maybe some think that because others do it without problems that they can too without any concern whatsoever. But most shooters realize this is a risk they take, not an assumption to be made.

Frankly, even if a tripod manufacture did everything possible to address this issue, it is unreasonable to expect them to express it outright and assume liability that is really not their's to begin with. Straps are for carrying, tripods and heads are for stabilizing.

Come on people, we're talking common sense here.

Mar 20, 2009 at 10:06 PM

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p.4 #2 · Beware- Gitzo tripod failures !!!

but is the top plate secured w/ a locking screw?
I think millmoejoe is saying that screw should be a locking screw (he's not talking about the ballhead screw that goes through the bottom of the plate)...

Mar 20, 2009 at 11:25 PM

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p.4 #3 · Beware- Gitzo tripod failures !!!

Presumably, what will happen here is that Scott Clark and friends will come up with a fix for the issue (5th post down), make it available, and then Gitzo itself will eventually follow suite with their own design.....so everybody's happy.

http://www.naturescapes.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=131075&start=60

Mar 20, 2009 at 11:25 PM

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p.4 #4 · Beware- Gitzo tripod failures !!!

Having never used a Gitzo (i've always had cheapies) I just got mine - love it so far, but I too fell victim to this. I didn't lose anything thank god, but I was playing around with it right out of the box and failed to tighten the plate down, which came wide open from the factory. If I had put a rig onto it, and then turned the tripod sideways, just a bit, the whole thing would have come out and hit the floor.

It would be nice, if the Gitzos came with the plate tighten to begin with, and possibly a piece of paper warning that you should tighten the plate first.

However, that said, I would never carry my kit over my shoulders, especially bigger glass that would be even more prone to cause imbalance.

May 06, 2009 at 06:03 AM

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p.4 #5 · Beware- Gitzo tripod failures !!!

Gitzo is supposedly "the standard" for tripod manufacturers. If you don't use a Gitzo tripod with your super telephoto lens, what are the genuine alternatives? I am on the cusp of buying a Gitzo 5541LS to use with my Canon EF 600 F4L IS USM and Canon 1D bodies, but this string is giving me a lot of pause. Your thoughts will be appreciated.

Roman

May 06, 2009 at 10:54 PM

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p.4 #6 · Beware- Gitzo tripod failures !!!

Just learn to ignore all the posts with exclamation points (especially multiples) in the title, or all caps, as well as words such as scam, beware, etc., and you'll be fine.

The 5-series Gitzo is simply the best choice for the gear you mentioned, and as such, it has neither manufacturing, nor design defects. Checking the tightness of the various fasteners in tripods, brackets, and other gear is advised, and indicated by common sense.

May 07, 2009 at 01:06 AM

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PORSCHE917 wrote:
Gitzo is supposedly "the standard" for tripod manufacturers. If you don't use a Gitzo tripod with your super telephoto lens, what are the genuine alternatives? I am on the cusp of buying a Gitzo 5541LS to use with my Canon EF 600 F4L IS USM and Canon 1D bodies, but this string is giving me a lot of pause. Your thoughts will be appreciated.

Roman

I can't speak to the alternatives but the Series-5s are definitely awesome (I own a 5540LS, among others, because I thought at this point I'd have a 600; now I'm even thinking about larger if the finances work out; that remains to be seen.) The problem is pretty rare and Gitzo will presumably come up with a solution that hopefully will be "backward compatible" with existing models (or someone else will.) In the meantime there are any number of simple ways to avoid the problem. Tightening bolts, not carrying in this manner, using a chest/neck loop, etc. I wouldn't avoid buying just because of this.

May 07, 2009 at 01:45 AM

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p.4 #8 · Beware- Gitzo tripod failures !!!

It is "the standard" for tripods. You can always find a few people whine about Gitzo or any other good brand. But most of those have never even owned one

The 5541LS is the best you can get and you will be very happy with it. I use it together with the 500/4 and 800/5,6 and have never used or seen a better tripod

May 07, 2009 at 04:53 PM

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p.4 #9 · Beware- Gitzo tripod failures !!!

Dear Lars:

Thank you for your input. Relying on my own due diligence plus the comments in this thread, this morning I ordered my Gitzo 5541LS and related equipment (leg coatings, Gitzo padded tripod bag and Gitzo center column) from B&H. I am looking forward to the delivery of these items tomorrow and to using them for the first time on Saturday, weather permitting.

Also, thank you to all of the other posters who commented on this subject.

Best regards,

Roman

May 07, 2009 at 08:39 PM

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p.4 #10 · Beware- Gitzo tripod failures !!!

FYI, looks like a solution will be available from both Naturescapes (scroll down to post by Greg Downing) and the previously mentioned individual at some point.

http://www.naturescapes.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=154592

May 07, 2009 at 10:06 PM

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p.4 #11 · Beware- Gitzo tripod failures !!!

I just purchased a Gitzo 3540LS from another FM'r. I believe this is "last years" model-new one is 3541?? This is the first Gitzo I've ever owned so this is all new to me. Can someone tell me if this tripod would be one of the ones affected by this 'problem" ? Thanks

May 07, 2009 at 10:43 PM

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p.4 #12 · Beware- Gitzo tripod failures !!!

I have a Gitzo 1325 and always carry my 500L on a Wimberely head slung over my shoulder., but also have my arm or neck through the strap just in case. Never had it fail though.

I won't be buying anymore Gitzo products though, not based on their quality but their insane pricing. Maybe in France CF is created one atom at a time specially for Gitzo, but in most of the rest of the world it's a pretty cheap product not much dearer than fibreglass these days.

May 07, 2009 at 11:38 PM

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p.4 #13 · Beware- Gitzo tripod failures !!!

JFB318 wrote:
Thanks for sharing your concern Joe. Geez, why shoot the messenger that is trying to save you from losing an expensive lens. If you don't like what he has to say, go ahead and sling it over your shoulder

Basically, there are a few "Gitzo cannot do any wrong" fanatics here. Joe, you called a spade a spade...which we all should thank you for.

May 08, 2009 at 01:45 AM

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p.4 #14 · Beware- Gitzo tripod failures !!!

Carmen Miranda wrote:
milmoejoe wrote:
It's easy to sit back and laugh at folks who experience this misfortune. Unless you shoot with a heavyweight tripod with a long lens stowed over your shoulder, you likely won't comprehend the issue. I assure you the tables turn when it is you looking down at a pile of $10,000 in broken glass.

It's not that anybody is laughing, it's more like utter astonishment at people who insist that products be engineered to protect them from their own stupidity or that someone else is liable for their own risk taking.

Not in a hundred million years would the systematic plate fail if the your tripod was used in the manner in which it was designed. Even Canon or Nikon would not approve of transporting their long glass in the manner. The fact that you can get away with it for the most part is a testament to the strength of the system. The fact that it may fail from time to time should come as no surprise to all but the most foolhardy and irresponsible.

If some woman got $10 mill for spilling her $1 worth of McD's coffee, maybe you should get $10 trillion for dropping $10K worth of glass?

Now that the rally cry has been "acknowleged" by management, I'm sure it won't be too long before new Gitzo's will be sporting big yellow warning labels saying, "Do not carry tripod over the shoulder with camera attached." LIke that will make any difference.

No joe, you won't hear me laughing, but you won't get my sympathy either.

Good luck.

Carmen, can you enlighten us how you carry your 500mm lens and tripod so that you are ready at the drop of a hat to capture that moose as it emerges from the forest. Seems to me, most people I have seen and shot with carry the lens attached to the tripod over their shoulder.

May 08, 2009 at 01:51 AM

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p.4 #15 · Beware- Gitzo tripod failures !!!

Lars Johnsson wrote:
Why pay big money for such a bad tripod when you have been reading about it

And why carry big lenses over your shoulder when you know about this? This is just the normal whining and bashing that becomes more and more common at FM

Lars, it is the argumentative crap that is spilled in these forums lately that is bringing FM down.

May 08, 2009 at 01:56 AM

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p.4 #16 · Beware- Gitzo tripod failures !!!

Has anyone observed a similar problem when using a center column on a Gitzo Systematic CF tripod?

Roman

May 09, 2009 at 01:52 AM

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p.4 #17 · Beware- Gitzo tripod failures !!!

milmoejoe,

Thank you for your post, which helps others become aware of the issue.

Clearly, from at least one other report on this thread as well as what can be found on google, you are not alone in experiencing the issue, but seem to stand alone in the face of criticism for having brought it to our attention, which is too bad.

Without understanding the motivations for the criticism of the messenger, I do very much appreciate the message!

I was all set to buy a Gitzo tripod this summer, and now, thanks to you and your post, I know to examine the base plate retention system more carefully, and will give greater consideration to alternative brand tripods that do not have this issue, or perhaps look for an older used Gitzo model instead.

If a design already exists on older models, as well as alternative brand models, that does not require as much constant attention to the retention system, then it seems prudent for Gitzo to consider addressing the issue, especially if it is unique to their later design.

One of the reasons I switched to Arca-Swiss/Wimberley/RSS dovetail lens and camera plates was precisely because I didn't like having to retighten Bogen lens and camera plates all the time. Checking and rechecking and rechecking is an unnecessary nuisance when more reliable retention designs are on the market.

So count me among the few who "get" where you are coming from. And thank you for stepping forward and sharing your concern, so that folks like me could learn, and not learn the hard way.

May 09, 2009 at 04:47 PM

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So, has anyone else followed the link and looked at the solution? This is great, (why didn't I think of this, D'oh, kinda great!) and if they are available soon, my Gitzo plans are back on for this fall.

Paul B wrote:
FYI, looks like a solution will be available from both Naturescapes (scroll down to post by Greg Downing) and the previously mentioned individual at some point.

http://www.naturescapes.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=154592

May 13, 2009 at 10:53 PM

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p.4 #19 · Beware- Gitzo tripod failures !!!

Lars Johnsson wrote:
I don't know if there has been an up-tick or not. This is the first time i have been reading about it. And there are Thousends of people in every country using Gitzo tripods. And you can't wiggle the plate loose with your fingers after tighten the screw. It's impossible if not the screw or plate is broken.

And now it has happened to me after only three days of field use.

The base plate loosened itself completely and easily could have fallen out. I pulled it off with one hand. I was using only a 1 series body and 70-200/4 IS, so no excessive force was applied to the legs/plate. Gitzo quality control of final assembly is rubbish. They should tighten the locking screw much more. If you must use a 3 series, carry the special tool at all times and check for tightness!

EBH

Jun 09, 2009 at 09:15 PM

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p.4 #20 · Beware- Gitzo tripod failures !!!

I look at like riding a horse. Always check the cinch strap on the saddle before mounting up. Or a preinspection on a car, always check it out before a long trip. Just routine checks and maintenance. No problems here carrying a few wrenches.

Regards,

Roger

Jun 10, 2009 at 02:07 AM

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