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#64 in a Series of Impressions Threads: "Forte!"
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READ THIS FIRST:
Please share your impressions. That helps me as an artist and will be appreciated and enjoyed by the subject too (i.e. the pianist) when I share your Impressions with her in a few days.

I take the time to write up many bits of technique and tips both here in my own impressions discussions (see below) and in 4,500+ posts put up by other photographers. So, while I do like helping others here, it DOES help me if you will write your impressions in this thread. It only takes a moment to give an impression that may be very helpful and will be appreciated by the subject or pianist too. And if you enjoy this image or this type of discussion, you are invited to visit any of the previous 63 Impressions images/discussions and leave your own impression on any of them too. Just type "Impressions" in the search field of this forum to find a list of them. Thanks in advance.

Put another way...Don't Just Lurk...Join In. Add value. Contribute. Share your thoughts. Help others. Post your Impression. : )

THE IMAGE LINK: Impressions Image #64 "Forte"
http://www.steadmanuhlich.com/impressions64/index.html
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NOTE 1: This post is an example of a pianist "looking PAST the keys" while playing. Remember...this is "all natural." The pianist is actually playing while I photographed her. This "look" (with the eyes past the keys) is NOT as commonly seen. The "look" is of a pianist "playing." She is playing loudly (with force/forte) and because of the way she is playing (for me in an intimate setting) she looked intense (people and pianists do that sometimes ). Not all "playing images" have closed eyes.

NOTE 2: "Forte" is a musical term that simply means "loudly or with force" (and generally it is powerful and loud) and so this title fits the image in more than one way.

NOTE 3: This image, when viewed over the net may appear softer than it really is as a print due to the saving of a large file for the web. The moment I saw it after it was posted on a web page, I saw this "softening" effect. In reality, the image makes a large print that is very "luscious" with deep blacks, nice flesh tones (gray) and tiny bits of highlights that make the image as a whole "sparkle" with life. It is a very nice "classic B&W" toned image with lots of subtle shadow details (like her black dress texture and the glossy looking edges of the piano). I wish I could show you the print.

NOTE 4: Read the "Tools" and "Techniques" notes below to understand how this image was made without flash and how it captures a natural moment (not posed) as the musician is actually performing a piece of music. I wrote those sections to help you with some tips.

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TOOLS, TECHNIQUES & METHODS

My Intent or Goal:
Create a Black and White portrait of this woman that shows her unique beauty. For this image I wanted to create an image that captures her while she is playing. I thought her eyes were beautiful (brown), her features very nice and her look refreshingly "natural." This image is one of several I made of her, so she became the subject of several "Impressionistic" images.

This particular image is one of a set to show one of those "moods." This one is one of the more "serious" portrait images. Now...what do YOU see?

The Piano (Prop):
For those of you who like pianos...I am sure you would like to see more of the instrument. This is a 9 foot Steinway Concert Grand piano (Model D New York). The price is about $150,000 or so for this instrument. When played "Forte" this piano and its long strings create powerful sounds (they caused me to say "WOW") with wonderfully long resonance. A beautiful instrument and very beautiful sounds (unlike smaller pianos).

The Figure Position (Pose):
She is actually playing the piano. Her fingers are actually pushing keys and in this image one can see several depressed at the moment of shutter release. This is not always "seen" by the camera or eye. And her gaze is up from the keys in a natural "look" sometimes (but not often) seen in photos of pianists. It is a "natural" position (in action) and not an artificial "pose." The music was beautiful and an important part of her expressions and "pose."

The Light:
All natural sunlight. My favorite light. Most of my other Pianist Portraits were photographed using natural light from a window.

The Tools:
My preference is for keeping the use of tools very simple. The image is made with minimal equipment and processing. The lens was a 50mm, set at f2.8 and shutter speed 1/100 sec and shot hand-held (in keeping with my nickname).

The Technique:
The most important things to use during a session like this is...patience and an open mind. Patience to see the image when the light and expression were just right.

Notes:
1. This is part of my Natural Expressions series and part of a project focused on pianists. So, while some "expressions" are very easy to see because of a broad smile, laugh, or scowl, this one is something more subtle, and depends on the body language or expression using the body. I don't expect everyone to see this.

2. This is a greatly reduced file for the web. Unfortunately, the image appears to lose some details at this reduction and also is beginning to show some jpg artifacts from all the saving for different sizes and formats I use on the web and in other media. So...the skin does not look as textured (sharp) (naturally) as it does in the actual print. In the original print (which appears sharper), the individual hairs on her head and her eyelashes are very distinct (as an example) and the skin has a completely natural texture (no smoothing). Also at this size on the web, the contrast is not what one sees in a final print. For example, in the web view, you may see a lack of texture in the highlight areas of the skin (or they may appear 'hot') and in the shadow areas too. In the final print there is a very natural look to the her skin, hair, and the textures of her garment. In fact, in large prints (and on my calibrated monitor) one can see the very subtle tonal differences between the background and the hair or black garments. She is wearing black wool...and that is very difficult to expose while keeping the white keys and highlights at a nice point. The final print has natural texture there. It is subtle but lost in the web viewing. IN short, her black garments look better in the print than they do on the web.

3. This made a very "natural" and beautiful portrait that appears very much alive and 3-D.

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IMPRESSIONS STYLE Basics

Why is an Impressions Style Thread Used Here?

Short answer: To get a different kind of discussion going on a posted image, encourage lurkers to participate, and for the artist to learn something about the interpretations or impressions evoked by the image posted.

My Simple Suggestion for this forum: Contribute what you can in photographs, or comments or Impressions (as requested here) and this will be a richer viewing experience for everyone who visits.

IF you are a lurker, this type of thread is a very easy way for you to participate in the forum and you can contribute something and it can be fun. Go ahead and jump in. If you were a lurker before, let me know that too. I am hoping this type of discussion will get more people to participate here as that will enrich the forum.

I believe many people are just lurkers because they feel they cannot post "proof" of their expertise and they may be intimidated from posting anything that would not sound "smart enough" regarding photography and the technical aspects of it. I think the technical discussions are fine for those that want them (in their own threads). I also think there are many others who may not want to get technical and enjoy their photography a different way. This is NOT about technical stuff, so feel free to be poetic or "impressionistic" as that is encouraged.

The development of this new style of thread posting (Impressions) will give an opportunity to many people who do not feel comfortable discussing photos in technical terms.

This type of thread is NOT about technical things (that is "off topic" in this kind of thread), it is simply about how you "see" and "feel" things in the image shown. So, anyone from a rank beginner or newbie to an expert can participate on equal standing. Here is your chance.

A FUN Tip: It is more fun if you look at the image before reading any other Impressions posted by others. So take a look, get an impression, add your impression at the bottom (and please give your first name and city), and then take a minute to read some of the earlier postings. You might chuckle or smile as you see how others see the same image.
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How an Impressions Discussion Works:

This is the 64th Impressions Thread I have started. IF you have never read one of these before, please read the middle and bottom of this thread before viewing the photo or posting your comments.

This type of thread or discussion is NOT about technical critiques. IF you don't understand what I mean by "Impressions," simply spend a few minutes reading below or on the linked page where the image is shown. I give tips on this type of thread and answer some questions people have asked me here before.

I have put the link to the image closer to the top of this post to make it quick and easy to find. The other detailed text below the portrait introduction is for those who want to read it or need some guidance on this new approach to discussion threads here on the forum. Over time, I will reduce the amount of text as I believe others here on the forum begin to understand the intent of this type of discussion or "Impression" thread. You are encouraged to leave your Impressions (as described below) but I do ask that you leave "Impressions" as that is the topic. IF you missed the other earlier Impressions threads I started, simply look back in the forum or search for a thread with topics starting "Your Impression?" and you will find them.


IF you feel a need to debate the value of Impressions versus Technical Criticism, then please do not do it in this thread (as that is "off topic"), and instead do it in the thread where that debate IS the topic of discussion, here: http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/649345

You might also enjoy reading the different "Impressions about Impressions" thread here:
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/653643

It is very simple. Here is my request: To add positive value to this thread or discussion, please share your "Impressions" of the figure or face or expression or action or "total image" in the photo you see. Put very simply: "What do you see or sense about the person in the photo?" Also, please tell me your First Name + City when you give me your Impression. That is important for my Global Impressions Project (A few paragraphs describing my project are found on the page linked to the image page. You will find it on the second page if you want to know more.)

Also, I encourage you to post your own "Impressions" thread with a photo some time. Reading the variety of Impressions is very satisfying and helpful to any artist who is interested in how a work of art (photo) affects a viewer or viewers. So, try it some time. My Simple Suggestion: Place the word "Impression" as the first word of your topic title for the thread and then people will know you want Impressions rather than technical criticism. The rest is up to you.

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Nov 29, 2008 at 07:36 PM
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Before anyone else says it...

She is not looking at my watermark.

Now...post your own impression! Bravo for you! (if you do).

Nov 29, 2008 at 07:37 PM
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Satisfied. That's my impression on this one. I do prefer #62. It grabs me more. In the moment, I feel like she is checking a chord that shed been trying to figure out and finally got it, but didn't want to mess up from getting to excited. Does that make sense?

Technically (I know this is an impressions post) I'd love to see her reaching across the keys from the lower octaves to the higher. Maybe a huge expession of sheer joy? But, technically speaking, it's great!

How's that for "brevity"?

Cheers,
Jeff

Nov 30, 2008 at 12:04 AM
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mosier wrote:
Satisfied. That's my impression on this one. I do prefer #62. It grabs me more. In the moment, I feel like she is checking a chord that shed been trying to figure out and finally got it, but didn't want to mess up from getting to excited. Does that make sense?

Technically (I know this is an impressions post) I'd love to see her reaching across the keys from the lower octaves to the higher. Maybe a huge expession of sheer joy? But, technically speaking, it's great!

How's that for "brevity"?

Cheers,
Jeff



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Nov 30, 2008 at 03:40 AM
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Steady,

You did it again. Here she is, captured the moment she leans forward for more power, both hands hittin' the keys giving her the power required for the piece.

A wonderful portrait.

What really kills me though, is the sheer number of musical and moving portraits you have taken of this woman. I'd be delighted with just one.

bob

Nov 30, 2008 at 06:14 AM
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bob parrish wrote:
Steady,

You did it again. Here she is, captured the moment she leans forward for more power, both hands hittin' the keys giving her the power required for the piece.

A wonderful portrait.

What really kills me though, is the sheer number of musical and moving portraits you have taken of this woman. I'd be delighted with just one.

bob


Howdy Bob

Thanks for adding your very nice and encouraging comments (as always).

I am glad you get the sense of "power" (forte) from this image.

The hard thing about depicting "power" in an image of a pianist is that they are often very "restrained" in posture and body language (classical pianists are).

I am glad you see it in her image.

And I appreciate your comment at the end. I do have many beautiful portrait images of this pianist and enjoy many of them for the many facets of personality (and music) they may depict using just one subject/person/pianist.

Some of my favorites will not be shown here on FM, but they are extraordinary and striking.

I chose these (this one and several previous) of this same pianist because I wanted to illustrate some things to the forum members/viewers. Particularly, I am trying to show that one does not have to have expensive studio flash lights to create portraits that have depth (tonal) and impact and differences. Almost all of the portraits in my Pianist Series were made using natural sunlight and very simple tools (a single lens, the 50mm). So I wanted to illustrate that (from a technical and "tips" POV).

I also wanted to show that a single subject in a single sitting and at a single prop, can be portrayed multiple ways. One does not need to have "multiple outfit changes" and "multiple props" or "multiple locations" in order to show differences of emotion or character or beauty. That was my goal with this series.

I found her to be a great subject because I could see her change with the music and moment. The "expressions" may be subtle or missed by many or most observers, but I clearly saw them just like seeing the differences in a group of natural roses outside. Each moment had its own unique beauty.

Thanks again for being such a good "Impressionist" and for helping me in this project to capture impressions of my work. YOU are a very valuable part of this forum (to me) as you continually "ADD VALUE" by helping others and expressing how the photography means something to you.

Thanks. And...Good light to you!

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I believe that the luminance values in the strings compete unfavorably with the nearly equal value on the primary subject, the artist. Darker strings, less competition, or different POV.

Jerry

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Hey Steady, what I see is "IN"... it says to me that she is completely one with what she is doing and enjoys it very much. Says to me she is in that state in which you are the music and its a part of you (or more accuratley you are part of it and nothing else exists) rather than something you are simply playing. Coming from instinct rather than technical skill (more emotive than recital).



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jerryreed wrote:
I believe that the luminance values in the strings compete unfavorably with the nearly equal value on the primary subject, the artist. Darker strings, less competition, or different POV.

Jerry


Hi Jerry.

Glad to see a new face in an Impressions discussion. Welcome!

Since your "impression" is really a technical observation...I will respond with a technical comment.

First when you mention the "strings" I assume you mean that area where the strings are found (and the tightening posts).

I see it differently. (naturally)

This particular image has "three areas of light." And this forms a "triangle" composition that almost becomes a "circle" of viewing. The eye is led from the eyes to the "strings" (piano interior) and then down to the hands/keys and then follows the curve of the back...up to the face/head again.

At least, that is how I see it.

IF I only had two "lit" areas the composition would be different and affect my eyes differently. I happen to like this "circle" (triangle) of eye movement across (around) the image. For me, it adds "dynamic" movement and visual interest.

Some of my images have "one lit element" and other have "two lit elements" and this one just happens to have "three lit elements." It is a choice.

And...because she is intently looking into the piano, it is a different "look" than if she was just looking into darkness. (I do have shots like that though. )

I received an off forum comment on this image from a Russian doctor. His "Impression" was interesting (to me):

"It looks like she is talking to the piano and also listening too.
She has a conversation with her piano. It appears she has a subconscious level of intuition with the piano."

So...thank you for adding your comment. I hope you add some impression too (to this discussion or others).



Nov 30, 2008 at 04:46 PM
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Burk Young wrote:
Hey Steady, what I see is "IN"... it says to me that she is completely one with what she is doing and enjoys it very much. Says to me she is in that state in which you are the music and its a part of you (or more accuratley you are part of it and nothing else exists) rather than something you are simply playing. Coming from instinct rather than technical skill (more emotive than recital).



Howdy Burk.

I am glad you posted that impression. I like it. Well worded. And I "see it" through your words too.

Take a look above this response to what I wrote in response to Jerry. At the bottom I quoted another Impression I received off-forum from a man from Russia. He wrote (about this particular image):

"It looks like she is talking to the piano and also listening too.
She has a conversation with her piano. It appears she has a subconscious level of intuition with the piano."

So you both sense "instinct" or "intuition" and I think that is "good" to add to the mix of Impressions caused by this image.

Thanks for participating and adding to the value of this forum and to the helpful insights/comments in this discussion. They do help me and I am sure the pianist will enjoy reading them too.

Nov 30, 2008 at 04:51 PM
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I just noticed there have been 800 views of this image thread and only four people, a small handful of people were good enough to post an Impression or comment.

To those that do post. Thanks.

To those that have not posted an Impression yet, "Jump in!"

Exercise your "interpretive" skills with some "photo interpretation" (an impression).

I highly recommend this as it will help you consider how images are crafted or made to make an impression. When you put into words your own impressions, it will help you later when you look at your own photos and with your own photography!

Try it.

Nov 30, 2008 at 04:56 PM
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Steady, I think it's ok. A little more 'motion' than the other piano shots, which I like. What if her eyes were closed in this shot? What if her hands were slightly blurred?

At first I didnt like the white interior of the piano. But the more I look at it, the more I like it since it balances the highlights from her face and hands/keys. Well done.

Bryan

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bryanlindsey wrote:
Steady, I think it's ok. A little more 'motion' than the other piano shots, which I like. What if her eyes were closed in this shot? What if her hands were slightly blurred?

At first I didnt like the white interior of the piano. But the more I look at it, the more I like it since it balances the highlights from her face and hands/keys. Well done.

Bryan

Houston, TX, USA



Hi Bryan,

Thanks for joining the party.

I know what you mean.

And your points or questions have given me an opportunity to share something else with you. This is a matter of "choices" of what I want to see in the final image.

Here is my POV:
When photographing pianists, the common approach is to photograph a "blur of hands" picture. I have seen many. Most don't do much for me. From my POV, it would have to be an extraordinary image to be distinctive if using that "approach." Because so many images of pianists use that "visual device" as the "hook" or key element. Put simply, it is simple to take a slow shutter speed image of a pianist to get a blurry hands picture...if one wants that.

While I do like "motion" pictures (images that show motion), I wanted to see something different in these images. So, while the shutter speed is slower than most people would shoot (as most use flash), I tried to capture a "moment" when the hands were clearly defined. So it was a choice.

While this may seem "static" to most people...it is something I wanted to see. To do this, required timing the shot to coincide with the music. This is something mentioned in my intro (the long part of the intro, the Techniques & Tips section).

The example I usually use is Ballet Performance photographs. It is relatively simple to take a "frozen motion" picture if one uses flash. Or if one takes a lot of shots in succession (using a motor drive to catch many images of the dancer leaping). It becomes MUCH more difficult to capture a dancer at the apex of the leap (jump) if one instead chooses to shoot just one shot without flash. That takes "timing" and capturing the exact moment (when at apex). It is a "greater challenge" and so I prefer it. Others will not like that method/path, but I like to challenge myself.

"Static" versus "Motion" is a matter of choice for the final image. IF one chooses one "look" one has to give up the other. Unless.....something about the image conveys "motion" without the obvious keys/cues of "blur."

So...that was my "intent." At least in this image.

This may seem odd or an excuse to some. I understand.

Oddly enough, I usually prefer to see some motion in a photo of children and other human subjects. So this approach is different from my usual preference for motion (evidence of it) in still photographs. But, it is a choice/path.

I now recall a funny thing (true story).....when I first met this pianist and arranged for the photo session....she told me another photographer had previously taken a picture of her with her hands "all blurry." I think it is what she expected me to do too. I had different ideas.

Perhaps an analogy would be "Bird in Flight" type photos. IF one sees the "posture" and "senses" flight, one does not need to see the wings in a blur.

On the other hand, if one photographs "Propeller Aircraft in flight" images, there is a fine line between "too much blur" and "not enough."

For me, in this Pianist Series, this is a challenge to capture various "emotions" and "expressions" that are "natural" for the subject. Those may be subtle. But, they can be varied too.

I hope these comments help others and encourage others to try a "different path" in their own photography. And...try a method that is different from the norm. Try something that "challenges" you too.

IF you (or anyone) found these comments helpful, drop me a line via a PM...or better yet...post an Impression in this discussion of the image.



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