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#61 in a Series of Impressions Threads: "Rondo"
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READ THIS FIRST:
Please share your impressions. That helps me as an artist and will be appreciated and enjoyed by the subject too (i.e. the pianist) when I share your Impressions with her in a few days. This is my first posted picture of this particular pianist, so any comments will be appreciated, even if they may seem to you to be similar to earlier comments given on other pianist portraits I posted earlier. As an interesting side point, this is the sister of the pianist I posted over the last few days (earlier brunette pianist). They are BOTH very talented pianists. I have listened to each in classical recital performances that were wonderful.

I take the time to write up many bits of technique and tips both here in my own impressions discussions (see below) and in posts put up by other photographers. So, while I do like helping others here, it DOES help me if you will write your impressions in this thread. It only takes a moment to give an impression that may be very helpful and will be appreciated by the subject or pianist too. Thanks in advance.

Put another way...Don't Just Lurk...Join In. Post your Impression. : )

THE IMAGE LINK: Impressions Image #61 "Rondo"
http://www.steadmanuhlich.com/impressions61/index.html

NOTE 1: This post has another example of a pianist "looking up from the keys" while playing. Remember...this is "all natural." The pianist is actually playing while I photographed her. This "look" (with the face looking up and away) is NOT as commonly seen than some of the others I posted earlier (that were also playing). The "look" is of a pianist "playing.." She is playing a "Rondo" and because of the repeated nature of melody, she looked up (people and pianists do that sometimes ). Not all "playing images" have closed eyes.

NOTE 2: "Rondo" is a musical term that simply means "repeated theme" and so this title fits the image in more than one way. This music has a theme that is repeated, and this "POV" and composition are ones that I will repeat. Each time I will be looking (and listening) for a different "expression" for my "Natural Expressions" series of portraits.

NOTE 3: This image, when viewed over the net may appear softer than it really is as a print due to the saving of a large file for the web. The moment I saw it after it was posted on a web page, I saw this "softening" effect. In reality, the image makes a large print that is very "luscious" with deep blacks, nice flesh tones (gray) and tiny bits of highlights that make the image as a whole "sparkle" with life. It is a very nice "classic B&W" toned image with lots of subtle shadow details (like her black dress texture and the glossy looking edges of the piano). I wish I could show you the print.

NOTE 4: Read the "Tools" and "Techniques" notes below to understand how this image was made without flash and how it captures a natural moment (not posed) as the musician is actually performing a piece of music. I wrote those sections to help you with some tips.

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My Intent or Goal:
Create a Black and White portrait of this woman that shows her unique beauty. For this image I wanted to create an image that captures her while she is playing. I thought her eyes were beautiful (dark green), her features very nice and her look refreshingly "natural." This image is one of several I made of her, so she became the subject of several "Impressionistic" images.

This particular image is one of a set to show one of those "moods." This one is one of the more "serious" portrait images. Now...what do YOU see?

The Piano (Prop):
For those of you who like pianos...I am sure you would like to see more of the instrument. This is a 6 foot Steinway Grand piano. The price is about $50,000 or so for this instrument.

The Figure Position (Pose):
She is actually playing the piano. Her fingers are actually pushing keys. And her gaze is up from the keys in a natural "look" sometimes seen in photos of pianists. It is a "natural" position (in action) and not an artificial "pose." The music was beautiful and an important part of her expressions and "pose."

The Light:
She is sitting under multiple overhead "spotlight" sources. Most of my other Pianist Portraits were photographed using natural light from a window. This image was different because of a different location, different piano, and different light source and type. While you might not see it at this small websize image (the same size as a CD cover by design), her eyes each have a nice "catchlight" from the point light source (the spot light) and they "sparkle" in the large prints I have made. The same is true for the highlights on her pearl necklace and the crystals on her dress. They "sparkle."

The Tools:
My preference is for keeping the use of tools very simple. The image is made with minimal equipment and processing. The lens was a 50mm, set at f2.8 and shutter speed 1/100 sec and shot hand-held (in keeping with my nickname).

The Technique:
The most important things to use during a session like this is...patience and an open mind. Patience to see the image when the light and expression were just right.

Notes:
1. This is part of my Natural Expressions series and part of a project focused on pianists. So, while some "expressions" are very easy to see because of a broad smile, laugh, or scowl, this one is something more subtle, and depends on the body language or expression using the body. I don't expect everyone to see this.

2. This is a greatly reduced file for the web. Unfortunately, the image appears to lose some details at this reduction and also is beginning to show some jpg artifacts from all the saving for different sizes and formats I use on the web and in other media. So...the skin does not look as textured (sharp) (naturally) as it does in the actual print. In the original print (which appears sharper), the individual hairs on her head and her eyelashes are very distinct (as an example) and the skin has a completely natural texture (no smoothing). Also at this size on the web, the contrast is not what one sees in a final print. For example, in the web view, you may see a lack of texture in the highlight areas of the skin (or they may appear 'hot') and in the shadow areas too. In the final print there is a very natural look to the her skin, hair, and the textures of her garment. In fact, in large prints (and on my calibrated monitor) one can see the very subtle tonal differences between the background and the hair or black garments. She is wearing black wool...and that is very difficult to expose while keeping the white keys and highlights at a nice point. The final print has natural texture there. It is subtle but lost in the web viewing. IN short, her black garments look better in the print than they do on the web.

3. This made a very "natural" and beautiful portrait that appears very much alive and 3-D.

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Why is an Impressions Style Thread Used Here?

Short answer: To get a different kind of discussion going on a posted image, encourage lurkers to participate, and for the artist to learn something about the interpretations or impressions evoked by the image posted.

My Simple Suggestion for this forum: Contribute what you can in photographs, or comments or Impressions (as requested here) and this will be a richer viewing experience for everyone who visits.

IF you are a lurker, this type of thread is a very easy way for you to participate in the forum and you can contribute something and it can be fun. Go ahead and jump in. If you were a lurker before, let me know that too. I am hoping this type of discussion will get more people to participate here as that will enrich the forum.

I believe many people are just lurkers because they feel they cannot post "proof" of their expertise and they may be intimidated from posting anything that would not sound "smart enough" regarding photography and the technical aspects of it. I think the technical discussions are fine for those that want them (in their own threads). I also think there are many others who may not want to get technical and enjoy their photography a different way. This is NOT about technical stuff, so feel free to be poetic or "impressionistic" as that is encouraged.

The development of this new style of thread posting (Impressions) will give an opportunity to many people who do not feel comfortable discussing photos in technical terms.

This type of thread is NOT about technical things (that is "off topic" in this kind of thread), it is simply about how you "see" and "feel" things in the image shown. So, anyone from a rank beginner or newbie to an expert can participate on equal standing. Here is your chance.

A FUN Tip: It is more fun if you look at the image before reading any other Impressions posted by others. So take a look, get an impression, add your impression at the bottom (and please give your first name and city), and then take a minute to read some of the earlier postings. You might chuckle or smile as you see how others see the same image.
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How an Impressions Discussion Works:

This is the 61st Impressions Thread I have started. IF you have never read one of these before, please read the middle and bottom of this thread before viewing the photo or posting your comments.

This type of thread or discussion is NOT about technical critiques. IF you don't understand what I mean by "Impressions," simply spend a few minutes reading below or on the linked page where the image is shown. I give tips on this type of thread and answer some questions people have asked me here before.

I have put the link to the image closer to the top of this post to make it quick and easy to find. The other detailed text below the portrait introduction is for those who want to read it or need some guidance on this new approach to discussion threads here on the forum. Over time, I will reduce the amount of text as I believe others here on the forum begin to understand the intent of this type of discussion or "Impression" thread. You are encouraged to leave your Impressions (as described below) but I do ask that you leave "Impressions" as that is the topic. IF you missed the other earlier Impressions threads I started, simply look back in the forum or search for a thread with topics starting "Your Impression?" and you will find them.


IF you feel a need to debate the value of Impressions versus Technical Criticism, then please do not do it in this thread (as that is "off topic"), and instead do it in the thread where that debate IS the topic of discussion, here: https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/649345

You might also enjoy reading the different "Impressions about Impressions" thread here:
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/653643

It is very simple. Here is my request: To add positive value to this thread or discussion, please share your "Impressions" of the figure or face or expression or action or "total image" in the photo you see. Put very simply: "What do you see or sense about the person in the photo?" Also, please tell me your First Name + City when you give me your Impression. That is important for my Global Impressions Project (A few paragraphs describing my project are found on the page linked to the image page. You will find it on the second page if you want to know more.)

Also, I encourage you to post your own "Impressions" thread with a photo some time. Reading the variety of Impressions is very satisfying and helpful to any artist who is interested in how a work of art (photo) affects a viewer or viewers. So, try it some time. My Simple Suggestion: Place the word "Impression" as the first word of your topic title for the thread and then people will know you want Impressions rather than technical criticism. The rest is up to you.



Nov 25, 2008 at 12:24 PM
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Well after viewing a few of your series but never commenting, I thought I would take a moment to give some feedback.

I was a bit confused when I saw her expression. It appeared to me to be a half smile of sorts, but then perhaps a bit of confusion or dissatisfaction.

Her eyes have that sparkle to them that you find when someone sees someone they love, or they hit that magic thought, but her mouth and jaw area seem to disagree.

On a second glance, it appears that she is actually satisfied, and in conjunction with further contemplation of the title, it seems like she is reveling in the repeated theme, that she has sunk into the melody and is starting to truly feel the rhythm. So it would seem that you caught her in that perfect in between moment, at the inflection point between "almost got it" and "yes that's it."

Well done.



Nov 25, 2008 at 02:19 PM
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bsirjani wrote:
Well after viewing a few of your series but never commenting, I thought I would take a moment to give some feedback.

I was a bit confused when I saw her expression. It appeared to me to be a half smile of sorts, but then perhaps a bit of confusion or dissatisfaction.

Her eyes have that sparkle to them that you find when someone sees someone they love, or they hit that magic thought, but her mouth and jaw area seem to disagree.

On a second glance, it appears that she is actually satisfied, and in conjunction with further contemplation
...Show more

Hello Behzod,

Welcome to the Impressionist way of looking at images and relating the "feelings" the images evoke.

I am not surprised when someone says (or writes) that they have difficulty "pinpointing" the emotions or thoughts they have when viewing an image.

I actually like some images because of their very overt emotion.

On some others, though, I like them because they have some "mystery" or some "mix" of emotions.

From my POV, as long as the photo is "natural" and that expression is a natural expression on the subject, it "adds" to the content of the image in an important way.

So, when you wrote that you looked at the image one way, felt one way, then looked at it again and felt something different....That is OK with me.

I get the same sense when viewing some very famous portraits (paintings) that have a curious mix of emotive elements.

OK...this is a pianist.

I think you hit the nail on the head when you observed that she is "in the moment" of playing a rondo. She is "reveling" and she is "satisfied" too. She was "in her element."

She is actually in that moment of "rhythm" that pianists sometimes "go to" where they start to sway and move and such. I can't show that kind of movement, but you get a sense of it by the way her body is moved "off center" and by the way she is looking up. Believe me, she was moving. In fact, I had to time the shot just right to catch her at the right movement "place" for this image.

I hope you will participate in future Impressions discussions or go back and offer one on the earlier 60 impressions images I have posted recently. It is never too late to add value to this discussion and hence the forum (and to help me in my own work/project too).

One last thing, please send me a PM telling me where in the world you are. I like to "tag" a comment with a first name and city/state/country. I don't need your last name nor would I reveal it to anyone.



Nov 25, 2008 at 02:52 PM
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When I grow up, I want to be like Steady. Your overall portfolio is brilliant and your advice is priceless.

That being said, looking at portraits of people playing the piano is becoming just a bit boring - just my own humble impression, accrued over the last several days...

I'm sure that these are technically perfect. But...maybe it's time to spice things up? ;-)

Humbly, candidly, and respectfully yours,

Bryan
Houston, Tx, USA



Nov 25, 2008 at 03:04 PM
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bryanlindsey wrote:
When I grow up, I want to be like Steady. Your overall portfolio is brilliant and your advice is priceless.

That being said, looking at portraits of people playing the piano is becoming just a bit boring - just my own humble impression, accrued over the last several days...

I'm sure that these are technically perfect. But...maybe it's time to spice things up? ;-)

Humbly, candidly, and respectfully yours,

Bryan
Houston, Tx, USA




Hi Bryan,
Your post got me chuckling. That is good.

Thanks for the kind words too.

And...my advice? Don't grow up too quickly!

The subjects (pianists) are several (3 different women) and my approach is to demonstrate something different in each example. Some images (and my posts) are geared to showing how sunlight can be used for a nice portrait inside. Some are oriented to different "expressions" or compositions or challenges (such as black on black in black and white) that I see as examples of photographic techniques that may be of interest to others here.

And...some are posted because I like to capture "impressions" to help me in my Global Impressions project. I keep putting "pins on my globe" from all the different places from which this forum gets comments. That is a "fun" project for me.

Here's a challenge for you:

Post one of your own photos as an "Impressions" discussion and see how others "see" it from the "impressions" POV. It can be remarkably different and fun and eye opening and..."different" from all the technical critiques found here.

Good light to you.




Nov 25, 2008 at 03:17 PM
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Hey Steady, I hope you don't mind my putting the text from your site here. I'll gladly remove it if you do.

What do you see in the facial expressions? Content/Pleased
What do you see in the eyes? Tough to tell from the size of the image, but I get a confident feeling from her
What is your general impression? Pleased
How does the image affect you emotionally or make you feel? I'd like to hear what she's playing!
Does it make you remember something or someone? It reminds me of when my mother used to play the piano when I was a kid



Nov 25, 2008 at 03:31 PM
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mosier wrote:
Hey Steady, I hope you don't mind my putting the text from your site here. I'll gladly remove it if you do.

What do you see in the facial expressions? Content/Pleased
What do you see in the eyes? Tough to tell from the size of the image, but I get a confident feeling from her
What is your general impression? Pleased
How does the image affect you emotionally or make you feel? I'd like to hear what she's playing!
Does it make you remember something or someone? It reminds me of when my mother used to play the piano when I was a kid


Hi Jeff,

I welcome you to the Impressions discussion. I believe this is your first post of an impression (that I recall). Good to see you participate.

By your comments above, I also see you like "brevity."

So..."Thanks."




Nov 25, 2008 at 03:43 PM
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, sometimes I do. I was trying to do it without coloring what I wanted to get across too much.
It's generally how I like to think. Strip it down and really figure out what strikes me.

Best,
Jeff




Nov 25, 2008 at 03:51 PM
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Steady, not sure if this forum is the right place for my own "Impressions." I'm sure that with my limited time and skill, my images would get torn apart from a technical perspective. I've got some in the queue right now that I would LOVE to get your qualitative opinion on. Will post soon.

I love your stuff, I'm a big fan. Just, go easy on the pianos for a while, eh? ;-)



Nov 25, 2008 at 04:27 PM
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A fun one. I will say that this pianist is much more expressive facially than the other one.

There is a slight smirk, as in "I've got this ditty nailed and could do it all night". You can almost see the motion in her head, a bob, that probably coincides with the rythym of the rip. There is also a slightly indirect look that hints to me that she is still putting at least a little concentration into what she's doing.

Fun stuff.




Nov 25, 2008 at 05:15 PM
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mosier wrote:
, sometimes I do. I was trying to do it without coloring what I wanted to get across too much.
It's generally how I like to think. Strip it down and really figure out what strikes me.

Best,
Jeff



OK

(note the brevity )



Nov 25, 2008 at 06:16 PM
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bryanlindsey wrote:
Steady, not sure if this forum is the right place for my own "Impressions." I'm sure that with my limited time and skill, my images would get torn apart from a technical perspective. I've got some in the queue right now that I would LOVE to get your qualitative opinion on. Will post soon.

I love your stuff, I'm a big fan. Just, go easy on the pianos for a while, eh? ;-)




Post away.

I really "STRONGLY" recommend that everyone try to post their own images as "Impressions" (only) style discussions.

This may seem "unorthodox" to what some folks like to see here.

But..I know from my own experience that the "Impressions" comments are very useful to me to have a better understanding of how my "viewing public" sees an image I produce. For an artist, this is important. For a "commercial" or "professional" photographer it is good to know too.

The most interesting thing about the "Impressions" style discussion is that the image can have so many different "valid" interpretations. I think that is really wonderful. Sometimes people see things just like I do. More often than not, they see "more" or something "different" from what I see. So, by sharing those "impressions" it expands my own view of my own work.

This is a very good thing for any "image maker" and I cannot overemphasize how important and valuable it can be to helping you see things that are "non-technical" but essential to the strengths of the images you make.

Try it. You might like it. I know I do.



Nov 25, 2008 at 06:22 PM
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Gordon walker wrote:
A fun one. I will say that this pianist is much more expressive facially than the other one.

There is a slight smirk, as in "I've got this ditty nailed and could do it all night". You can almost see the motion in her head, a bob, that probably coincides with the rythym of the rip. There is also a slightly indirect look that hints to me that she is still putting at least a little concentration into what she's doing.

Fun stuff.



Gordon,

I gotta tell you I enjoyed reading your impression comment above.

It is so "on point" and right on the "mark."

Let me tell you....YOU see it.

At the time the pianist was playing that piece of music, it was something she enjoyed, and something she knew she could do very well. That "satisfaction" look is "real" satisfaction. I am glad you saw "fun" too. I think she was having "fun" with me by showing some of her skill too. So...you are so right about her being able to "do that ditty" all night long. It (the music) is probably so familiar to her that she could do it while also doing multiplication tables out loud or something else like that. You know.."rub tummy, pat head, and chew gum" at same time kind of coordination and skill. Second nature so to speak.

The look is subtle to be sure. But it is there. I suppose one could call it "subtle satisfaction at doing something most people find difficult, but I find easy" kind of expression. "Smirk" maybe. (wink).

Using another field, it is probably the "concealed smile" that a star athlete has when asked if they can "make the shot." (and they KNOW they can).

Of course it helped that I asked her to play something she likes.

Thanks for adding your impression to the mix.




Nov 25, 2008 at 06:28 PM
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Steady, that's why your advice is important to me. While I want my photos to be as technically correct as possible (that's one reason I'm on the forum), the most important thing to me is that the photo conveys some type of emotion. I believe the People Photography Forum needs more qualitative feedback, and I'll try to contribute to that as much as I can. Hope everyone has a safe and happy time this weekend!


Nov 26, 2008 at 12:13 PM
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Perfect Steadman! I love it! Good job

Albert



Nov 26, 2008 at 01:22 PM
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bryanlindsey wrote:
Steady, that's why your advice is important to me. While I want my photos to be as technically correct as possible (that's one reason I'm on the forum), the most important thing to me is that the photo conveys some type of emotion. I believe the People Photography Forum needs more qualitative feedback, and I'll try to contribute to that as much as I can. Hope everyone has a safe and happy time this weekend!


Emotion always "trumps" technical "perfection" in my view.



Nov 26, 2008 at 10:01 PM
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APY_JR wrote:
Perfect Steadman! I love it! Good job

Albert


Thanks Albert.

I am glad you liked it.



Nov 26, 2008 at 10:02 PM
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Attractive lady, her look to me is saying "fault that"


Nov 27, 2008 at 04:07 AM
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Peter Fry wrote:
Attractive lady, her look to me is saying "fault that"


Hey Peter,

Thanks for adding to the mix.

I did not "see that" like that, but doing so now (after reading your impression) made me smile.



Nov 27, 2008 at 07:47 AM





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