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#58 in a Series of Impressions Threads: "Nocturne in Gray and Black"
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A "nocturne" is a musical term that means "night" or in use in "music" a sense of a "romantic or dreamy (dark) character or emotion." In that sense, the music is to give us (the listener) a sense of "darkness" or things that happen at night. Beyond that, it may be used for a more "romantic" impression (think lovers in the garden at night).

THE IMAGE LINK: Impressions Image #58 "Nocturne in Gray and Black"
http://www.steadmanuhlich.com/impressions58/index.html

NOTE 1: This image, when viewed over the net may appear softer than it really is as a print due to the saving of a large file for the web. The moment I saw it, I saw this "softening" effect.

Please share your impressions. That helps me as an artist and will be appreciated and enjoyed by the subject too (i.e. the pianist).

NOTE2: Read the "Tools" and "Techniques" notes below to understand how this image was made without flash and how it captures a natural moment (not posed) as the musician is actually performing a piece of music. I wrote those sections to help you with some tips.

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My Intent or Goal:
Create a Black and White portrait of this woman that shows her unique beauty. For this image I wanted to create an image that captures her while she is playing. I thought her eyes were beautiful (brown), her features very nice and her look refreshingly "natural." This image is one of several I made of her, so she became the subject of several "Impressionistic" images.

This particular image is one of a set to show one of those "moods." This one is one of the more "serious" portrait images. Now...what do YOU see?

The Piano (Prop):
For those of you who like pianos...I am sure you would like to see more of the instrument. This is a 9 foot Steinway "Model D" (New York) Grand piano. The price is about $150,000 or so for this instrument. The low notes sound like thunder and the high notes sound like crystal. Hit a key and the sound continues and continues...a lovely instrument. It is very long. It also weighs 1,000 pounds! It is a very big, heavy, expensive, and beautiful instrument (in appearance and sound).

The Figure Position (Pose):
She is actually playing the piano. Her fingers are actually pushing keys. And her gaze is out to a window (the major source of light). It is a "natural" position (in action) and not an artificial "pose." The music was beautiful and an important part of her expressions and "pose."

The Light:
She is sitting near a large window. I prefer natural light. But in this case there was also a light on the wall so we see an "spot on wall" light look. For some of the shots/images made during this session, I turned that "wall light" off. For this image, I turned it on. I happen to like it for this image (for hard to describe reasons). As for its placement? That was determined by an electrician who built the wall long ago. It was immovable so it was either going to be "on" or "off." This is not an artificial PP effect or use of software. It is actually light shining down on a gray wall.

The Print:
This image, when printed, has completely natural and creamy mid-tones (grays) transistions that are soooo smooth they look like the surface of smooth water. The large glossy black and white print is really lovely and has the many tones of gray and black that an old "black and white" photographer loves to see. For example, the tones on the piano and her garments are very subtle (shadow details) but they are visible and add to the "depth" of the printed image. Too bad you won't see that over the internet. See the note below about the limits of web viewing this image.

The Tools:
My preference is for keeping the use of tools very simple. The image is made with minimal equipment and processing. The lens was a 50mm, set at f2.8 and shutter speed 1/160 sec and shot hand-held (in keeping with my nickname).

The Technique:
The most important things to use during a session like this is...patience and an open mind. Patience to see the image when the light and expression were just right.

Notes:
1. This is part of my Natural Expressions series and part of a project focused on pianists. So, while some "expressions" are very easy to see because of a broad smile, laugh, or scowl, this one is something more subtle, and depends on the body language or expression using the body. I don't expect everyone to see this.

2. This is a greatly reduced file for the web. Unfortunately, the image appears to lose some details at this reduction and also is beginning to show some jpg artifacts from all the saving for different sizes and formats I use on the web and in other media. So...the skin does not look as textured (sharp) (naturally) as it does in the actual print. In the original print (which appears sharper), the individual hairs on her head and her eyelashes are very distinct (as an example) and the skin has a completely natural texture (no smoothing). Also at this size on the web, the contrast is not what one sees in a final print. For example, in the web view, you may see a lack of texture in the highlight areas of the skin (or they may appear 'hot') and in the shadow areas too. In the final print there is a very natural look to the her skin, hair, and the textures of her garment. In fact, in large prints (and on my calibrated monitor) one can see the very subtle tonal differences between the background and the dark hair or black garments. She is wearing black velvet...and that is very difficult to expose while keeping the white keys and highlights at a nice point. The final print has natural texture there. It is subtle but lost in the web viewing. IN short, her black garments look better in the print than they do on the web.

3. This made a very "natural" and beautiful portrait that appears very much alive and 3-D.

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Why is an Impressions Style Thread Used Here?

Short answer: To get a different kind of discussion going on a posted image, encourage lurkers to participate, and for the artist to learn something about the interpretations or impressions evoked by the image posted.

My Simple Suggestion for this forum: Contribute what you can in photographs, or comments or Impressions (as requested here) and this will be a richer viewing experience for everyone who visits.

IF you are a lurker, this type of thread is a very easy way for you to participate in the forum and you can contribute something and it can be fun. Go ahead and jump in. If you were a lurker before, let me know that too. I am hoping this type of discussion will get more people to participate here as that will enrich the forum.

I believe many people are just lurkers because they feel they cannot post "proof" of their expertise and they may be intimidated from posting anything that would not sound "smart enough" regarding photography and the technical aspects of it. I think the technical discussions are fine for those that want them (in their own threads). I also think there are many others who may not want to get technical and enjoy their photography a different way. This is NOT about technical stuff, so feel free to be poetic or "impressionistic" as that is encouraged.

The development of this new style of thread posting (Impressions) will give an opportunity to many people who do not feel comfortable discussing photos in technical terms.

This type of thread is NOT about technical things (that is "off topic" in this kind of thread), it is simply about how you "see" and "feel" things in the image shown. So, anyone from a rank beginner or newbie to an expert can participate on equal standing. Here is your chance.

A FUN Tip: It is more fun if you look at the image before reading any other Impressions posted by others. So take a look, get an impression, add your impression at the bottom (and please give your first name and city), and then take a minute to read some of the earlier postings. You might chuckle or smile as you see how others see the same image.
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How an Impressions Discussion Works:

This is the 58th Impressions Thread I have started. IF you have never read one of these before, please read the middle and bottom of this thread before viewing the photo or posting your comments.

This type of thread or discussion is NOT about technical critiques. IF you don't understand what I mean by "Impressions," simply spend a few minutes reading below or on the linked page where the image is shown. I give tips on this type of thread and answer some questions people have asked me here before.

I have put the link to the image closer to the top of this post to make it quick and easy to find. The other detailed text below the portrait introduction is for those who want to read it or need some guidance on this new approach to discussion threads here on the forum. Over time, I will reduce the amount of text as I believe others here on the forum begin to understand the intent of this type of discussion or "Impression" thread. You are encouraged to leave your Impressions (as described below) but I do ask that you leave "Impressions" as that is the topic. IF you missed the other earlier Impressions threads I started, simply look back in the forum or search for a thread with topics starting "Your Impression?" and you will find them.


IF you feel a need to debate the value of Impressions versus Technical Criticism, then please do not do it in this thread (as that is "off topic"), and instead do it in the thread where that debate IS the topic of discussion, here: http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/649345

You might also enjoy reading the different "Impressions about Impressions" thread here:
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/653643

It is very simple. Here is my request: To add positive value to this thread or discussion, please share your "Impressions" of the figure or face or expression or action or "total image" in the photo you see. Put very simply: "What do you see or sense about the person in the photo?" Also, please tell me your First Name + City when you give me your Impression. That is important for my Global Impressions Project (A few paragraphs describing my project are found on the page linked to the image page. You will find it on the second page if you want to know more.)

Also, I encourage you to post your own "Impressions" thread with a photo some time. Reading the variety of Impressions is very satisfying and helpful to any artist who is interested in how a work of art (photo) affects a viewer or viewers. So, try it some time. My Simple Suggestion: Place the word "Impression" as the first word of your topic title for the thread and then people will know you want Impressions rather than technical criticism. The rest is up to you.

Nov 20, 2008 at 02:47 PM
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Hi Steady,

My impression is of a blind person playing the piano.


Francisco.

LA, California.

Nov 21, 2008 at 05:36 AM
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Steady

Her head position kills it for me. If she were looking down or even into the distance but in perfect profile, I think it would work. Other than her head position, I like the composition. This is a rare thing for me not to enjoy one of your shots.

Regards,
Andre


Nov 21, 2008 at 06:47 AM
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fhoyng wrote:
Hi Steady,

My impression is of a blind person playing the piano.


Francisco.

LA, California.


Hello Francisco,

Welcome to the impressions discussions.

While your impression is not the same as mine, I do appreciate you sharing it or adding it to the thread.

As I see it, she is actually "seeing the music" even though she is not looking at anything in particular and has open eyes.

I observed this pianist and others carefully while they were playing and this is a "look" that sometimes comes across the face while playing.

Nov 21, 2008 at 12:49 PM
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Andre Labonte wrote:
Steady

Her head position kills it for me. If she were looking down or even into the distance but in perfect profile, I think it would work. Other than her head position, I like the composition. This is a rare thing for me not to enjoy one of your shots.

Regards,
Andre


Hi Andre,

Whatever your impression is...it is "your" impression and so it is of interest to me.

I would not post these Impressions discussions if I were not interested in how people "see and sense" the subject or the images.

I am actually glad you mentioned the "head position" as it is an important element of this particular image.

About the head position I can say that it is a "natural moment" while she is playing. Most of the time we see pianists with their heads down and eyes focused on the keys.

Some players have such "facility" with the music/instrument that they don't look at the keys (down) and their heads may turn and they may get a more "distant" look in their eyes (assuming they are open).

This particular moment interests me precisely because it is "different" from what is commonly seen in photos.

And...each pianist has their own "personal" mannerisms too. One pianist "cocks her head" to the side. Another tended to look "up" with the head "back" and another tended to look almost straight down at the keys (with eyes open or closed).

So, after watching a series of seven "concert pianists" in a row, I began to see how each "departed" from the normally "formal position" (a more rigid pose assumed when most play)....to their own "positions" and "mannerisms." Their "expressions" were totally natural and some seemed a little "quirky" but that is the fun of watching people closely and carefully as an observer. Sort of like watching birds and their behavior and postures. It is those "mannerisms" that help a viewer see one player/pianist differently from all the rest (assuming one cannot hear the music).

Unfortunately, watching a fluid movement of the body or head or hands is hard to "translate" into a single still image. Especially when those movements may be "subtle" and constrained by what is considered "acceptable" for the musical genre. Hmmm...that last thought made me think of the piano performances of Jerry Lee Lewis, who would play while standing up at the piano, would "shake" his head vigorously, and even put his foot up on the piano by the keys. THAT "personal look" worked for Jerry Lee, but would not have worked with a classical recital or performance. But....I bet it would cause a new sensation in the concert halls if someone did try that with some Liszt or Chopin concerto!

So, while the head position may "kill it" for you, it actually makes it more "alive" for me.

Thanks again for participating.

Nov 21, 2008 at 01:06 PM
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http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/710025
Dan

Nov 21, 2008 at 01:31 PM
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Hi Dan,

Thanks for posting that very interesting Impression comment.

I truly enjoyed reading your impressions and found them "deep, detailed, and well described."

Here is what your Impressions prompted from me:

Nice to have this impressions discussion start off with such a nice, thoughtful, and "deep" impressions comment (from you).

Your complex impressions were very interesting to read. Thanks for taking the time to express them and your several "takes" on communicating that mix of feelings (impressions). I truly enjoyed reading each line and "followed" you throughout.

You really did bring up several interesting points. Deep ones too. "Existential" and "extrospection" were some key concepts.

I think I understand just what you mean too.

When I sit down at my own piano, I am often in a "mood" where the creation of a new way of musical expression (an improvisation in music) is part of the challenge and at the same time the real "reward" for me. When I can take a musical expression (improvisation) to a new direction, sometimes with forethought, sometimes with just "letting it flow" I get great enjoyment from that stream of conscious and unconscious creativity. I suppose that is the sense of "wonderment" you mentioned above.

For a "concert pianist" the "expression" may be more limited as they are following a classical music score with fewer possibilities for "creation" but they sure do seem to enjoy the challenges and the "performance" and connections with the music.

Thanks again for taking the time to add such a deep and well written Impressions statement. I am sure I will enjoy reading it several times and I will share your Impression with the pianist too! I am sure she will also enjoy your Impressions and I anticipate she will agree or "confirm" your feelings too. That is a nice contribution to this thread and it does help me look at the image from another POV and with the depth you shared.

Good light to you.



Nov 21, 2008 at 01:40 PM
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Steady,

First, I love your work. What you capture with eyes and faces is amazing. But, this one doesn't work for me.

The subject appears very stiff and posed, almost not musician like. There is so much feeling that goes into playing that just isn't caught here. It's like she lost focus on playing and stopped, not daydreaming while playing, which is what I think you were trying to catch.

Nov 21, 2008 at 02:51 PM
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Gordon walker wrote:
Steady,

First, I love your work. What you capture with eyes and faces is amazing. But, this one doesn't work for me.

The subject appears very stiff and posed, almost not musician like. There is so much feeling that goes into playing that just isn't caught here. It's like she lost focus on playing and stopped, not daydreaming while playing, which is what I think you were trying to catch.


Hi Gordon.

..... some people are "stiff."

Unfortunately I don't have a "video" of this performance/session or of the others.

IF I did...I am sure you would consider most of each performance to be "stiff" looking as the pianists (several) maintain their "composure" (note the "pose" sound) and while playing highly "refined" classical music. One of the challenges is to see/catch the pianist playing. Another is to catch them playing and looking in a way that does not appear like they are "reading the music sheet."

As for the "feeling" they may be feeling while playing?
One can only guess what crosses their minds while they tackle the music...or caress the keys....or push the ivories.

IF we had a "stream of consciousness" notation (like a passage from a James Joyce novel) we might read:

"bbbbabbccdbabb abdddc abbddcf bccffg"

Or something like that.

Reading your comment (and some others recently) has made me think about the preconceptions (and impressions) we expect to see with Pianists. I completely understand how many people or most people would expect a certain "look" from a portrait of a pianist. I also understand how musical styles/genres and musical audiences/venues may influence our (the viewer) perceptions and expectations.

For example, I would not expect a Jazz pianist to look like a "concert pianist in a classical concert in a concert hall or recital hall." Nor would I expect a rock pianist to look like a pianist in a jazz trio. Nor an amateur or composer in an intimate "private recital" or "moment of composition." Many different possibilities.

Your comment is a contribution to the image discussion (as are all impressions) and I do thank you for adding it.

So...I hope you will continue to participate in the Impressions discussions, whatever your impressions may be. "Thinking" about the images we make can sometimes lead us to new discoveries and new ways of "seeing." At least it does for me.

Nov 21, 2008 at 03:12 PM
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fhoyng wrote:
Hi Steady,

My impression is of a blind person playing the piano.


Francisco.

LA, California.



I agree. Or else a mental patient. Very creepy.

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VickiB wrote:
fhoyng wrote:
Hi Steady,

My impression is of a blind person playing the piano.


Francisco.

LA, California.



I agree. Or else a mental patient. Very creepy.


Hello Vicki.

You certainly have a surprising Impression.

Thanks for participating in the discussion and adding your impression.

I really don't expect any two people to see the same image the same way. So it is interesting (to me) to see how divergent our perceptions can be.

Nov 21, 2008 at 06:26 PM
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Steady,

I like this one *because* of her gaze into space. I've seen it many times. Sometimes it happens when the music becomes more than the notes and evolves into something special. At other times, the pianist is just plain bored. Like playing at a wedding reception. I like this one, and my personal feeling is that the music is very much happening.

Most everyone has a "look" when they are concentrating. I don't think most people are aware of their "look" and at least for me, my feelings may be much different than my "look."

I remember a few years ago I was asked to perform for a 3rd grade class. I had three congas and was joined by a terrific bass player. Before we started I told the kids that sometimes when I practiced, my daughter would ask me if I was mad. I would always tell her no, I wasn't mad, but sometimes when I played I might look like it even though I was happy.

We played for a few minutes and then I asked if they had any questions. A lot of hands shot into the air and the first kid asked, "were you mad?"

I guess what I'm trying to say is that lots of musicians have their own "look" when they play. I've been lucky enough to attend a great many live performances and have seen "her" look many times.

It's a good thing.

Bob

Nov 21, 2008 at 07:37 PM
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Steady, my first impression on opening the image is that she is not real, but a mannequin, her face is very pale and looks almost frozen.

Justin, Charlotte, NC, USA

Nov 22, 2008 at 02:06 AM
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The music seems to come from the light above her head as it flows through her brain and into her hands as the music rages loftily through the room. There is an intensity to this image that is not forced but simply laid bare.

That's my impression of this photograph.

Nov 22, 2008 at 03:49 AM
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Steady Hand wrote:
fhoyng wrote:
Hi Steady,

My impression is of a blind person playing the piano.


Francisco.

LA, California.


Hello Francisco,

Welcome to the impressions discussions.

While your impression is not the same as mine, I do appreciate you sharing it or adding it to the thread.

As I see it, she is actually "seeing the music" even though she is not looking at anything in particular and has open eyes.

I observed this pianist and others carefully while they were playing and this is a "look" that sometimes comes across the face while playing.


I must agree with fhoyng BUT...there is a big but...

Many times artists seem to be absent when performing...especially in this type of representation...is like they are living in a dream, leaving this world spiritually and mentally...physically they are there and you see them, in fact they are not...is like a trance of a medium (i'm not sure i am using the correct words in english...)

in moments like this the aparence of an artist might take lots of shapes, from incontrolable smile or grimases to inert, imobile faces....still, they keep having something in common, they are messagers of another universe, they passed into or even created tehmselves...

so, in this case it might seem like a blind woman playing piano...in fact blind persons are in the exact same position, their reality is different than the one we see...

for me this image is about a woman who passed in a different universe spiritually and just use her body to translate a message to this world... in this case is a musical message, othertimes is about an visual message like a painting born in front of you while you are watching the artist...some of us may seem as "blind" as this lady while taking pictures....as the piano lady become blind we sometimes become deaf...all our senses shut down except one...

we are all alienated sometimes...

Nov 22, 2008 at 01:12 PM
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parintele wrote:
Steady Hand wrote:
fhoyng wrote:
Hi Steady,

My impression is of a blind person playing the piano.


Francisco.

LA, California.


Hello Francisco,

Welcome to the impressions discussions.

While your impression is not the same as mine, I do appreciate you sharing it or adding it to the thread.

As I see it, she is actually "seeing the music" even though she is not looking at anything in particular and has open eyes.

I observed this pianist and others carefully while they were playing and this is a "look" that sometimes comes across the face while playing.


I must agree with fhoyng BUT...there is a big but...

Many times artists seem to be absent when performing...especially in this type of representation...is like they are living in a dream, leaving this world spiritually and mentally...physically they are there and you see them, in fact they are not...is like a trance of a medium (i'm not sure i am using the correct words in english...)

in moments like this the aparence of an artist might take lots of shapes, from incontrolable smile or grimases to inert, imobile faces....still, they keep having something in common, they are messagers of another universe, they passed into or even created tehmselves...

so, in this case it might seem like a blind woman playing piano...in fact blind persons are in the exact same position, their reality is different than the one we see...

for me this image is about a woman who passed in a different universe spiritually and just use her body to translate a message to this world... in this case is a musical message, othertimes is about an visual message like a painting born in front of you while you are watching the artist...some of us may seem as "blind" as this lady while taking pictures....as the piano lady become blind we sometimes become deaf...all our senses shut down except one...

we are all alienated sometimes...



Hello Parintele.

Thank you very much for taking the time to share your impression in the "Nocturne" image discussion. And welcome to the Impressions discussions in general.

I truly enjoyed reading your impressions comments and POV.

It is excellent....outstanding....wonderful.

I enjoyed each line and fully understood what you were saying. Your writing was very close to how I feel about the issue. I liked it that much.

You seem to understand both "music" and "art" very well as you grasp how the artist/musician can shut out all the senses to focus on one. Well said.

You mentioned your use of "English." It was very well written and communicates a very difficult concept in a very clear and well illustrated manner. Excellent "English" language use and writing (in any language).

I will definitely share your impressions with the pianists (all of them) and even with the professional concert pianist I will meet in a few days. I think you have a very deep understanding of how the music takes a person to another "place" and a different level of experience.

Since this is the first time you have posted in a Impressions discussion, please send me a PM with your first name and city (in Romania).

Good light to you.

Nov 22, 2008 at 01:52 PM
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I visit your Web site, there are many excellent works of portrait, you are very strict serious photographer, and willing to help others.

Unfortunately, here you paste the picture or connection, I can not open it, I do not know why

Nov 23, 2008 at 01:14 AM
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shadowwing wrote:
I visit your Web site, there are many excellent works of portrait, you are very strict serious photographer, and willing to help others.

Unfortunately, here you paste the picture or connection, I can not open it, I do not know why


Hello Shadowwing.

I am glad you liked the portraits you saw on my website.

I do not know why you can not open the linked photo in this discussion post. It works or opens for me and others. Some things about the Internet are still a mystery.

I hope you will try again or try another Impressions discussion (past or future). I have posted 59 as of today.

Comments from you will be appreciated.

Nov 23, 2008 at 01:43 AM
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Steady Hand wrote:
Since this is the first time you have posted in a Impressions discussion, please send me a PM with your first name and city (in Romania).

Good light to you.


Thanks, is no secret about my identity, my name is Liviu and i live in Bucharest.
Regards

Nov 24, 2008 at 07:09 AM
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Hi Steady,
Nothing to do with your photo but for me, having the hair back into a bun along with her expression screams "Severe"
cheers
tim

Nov 24, 2008 at 07:20 AM
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