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Peter Urbanski
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p.1 #1 · 10D Advice Needed


I am in the process of changing over from film to the Canon 10D and have kept my 28mm-135mm IS and 100-400mm L/IS lenses. I own a G4 Mac with lots of RAM, and Photoshop 7. I would appreciate any advice/tips from experienced 10D owners as to what software, plug-ins etc. that you would give to someone who is just going into digital that will make my transition as "painless" as possible with the 10D.

Feb 03, 2004 at 08:50 PM
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Well, I can offer a little help:
1) UPGRADE to Photoshop CS, it has RAW conversion capabilities.
1.1) Shoot only in RAW, that way you are assured of always having the best "Negative".
2) I have heard that the 100-400L is not a good fit for the 10D, of course you will need to prove this for yourself, but I suggest selling and getting a 70-200L, IS if you can swing it otherwise the non-IS will do.
3) Get a Canon 1.4x extender, this extend the range of the 200mm to 280mm (actually with the 1.6x conversion you will be at 448mm). This will be MORE than the 400mm on your film camera.
4) From what I have read (and heard) the 28-135mm is a pretty good lens, but in time you may want to move up to the 24-70L which is an awesome lens.

HAVE FUN!

Feb 03, 2004 at 09:18 PM
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p.1 #3 · 10D Advice Needed


You will probably need some wide angle lens to compensate the 1.6 cropping factor, the 17-40 L is in my opinion a very good choice.
As for add on software I would give suggest C1LE and FM sharpening plug-in.

Ario

Feb 03, 2004 at 09:30 PM
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p.1 #4 · 10D Advice Needed


Get a CD or DVD burner for backup/archive

Get a free (or paid) version of Neat Image for noise reduction (i believe it's neatimage.com)

Buy a couple CF cards - 512mb minimum (check robgalbraith.com database for write speed on the 10D if that's important)

Buy Qimage for printing (do a google search)

have fun

Feb 03, 2004 at 09:38 PM
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Most importantly would be to have a look at the available RAW converters. The current Canon one will drive you back to film and the new Canon one doesn't support the 10D. You have choices including C1, Breeze Browser and Photoshop CS. Most (including myself) go for C1 due to its superior workflow but your opinion may be different. C1 and some other converters have trial periods so you can thoroughly test before you part with your cash.

Neat Image is awesome but I find I used it more with film. I still use it at high ISO's with digital but at 100 I hardly ever use it. Focal Blade is a great alternative to Photoshops USM and I prefer the way its sharpens. It's a luxury item but worth a look.

In hardware you will need to find something that will replace that 28mm focal length you no longer have. The equivalent angle of view on a 10D is 17mm so the 17-40 F4L is a good choice. You may also look at he Sigma 15-30 3.5 which is very very sharp and will give you a 24mm equivalent.

Forget CD's. If you shoot a lot you'll run out of space to put them and it's a real pain having to put one shoot on 5 discs. DVD's are the way to go for now and burners are getting cheaper every day.

You will need to look at either a portable hard drive or a portable CD burner to download images in the field. It's just cheaper than a half dozen 1GB memory cards. I use 512 MB cards and a Disc Steno portable CD burner with 10 CDRW discs. 1 card, 1disc. I reuse the CDRW's after downloading on to my PC. Personally I don't like to trust any spinning disc out in the field for image storage but there are plenty who use microdrives, laptops and "image tanks" and are happy with them.

A friend of mine has a 10D and the 100-400L and the quality is as good as film if not better. I would do your own tests with your own gear before I would look at any changes.

Gordon

Feb 03, 2004 at 10:55 PM
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p.1 #6 · 10D Advice Needed


He say that owns a mac, so neatimage or breezebrowser are not an option.

To process raw files on mac perhaps the best option is C1.

Feb 03, 2004 at 11:07 PM
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p.1 #7 · 10D Advice Needed


1 - Upgrade to Photoshop CS, for RAW conversion and 16bit workflow and the filebrowser
2 - get Photokit Sharpener, it'll save you from having your brain explode figuring out sharpening, it works very well for 10D shots.
3 - if by "lots of ram", you mean a gigabyte or more, you are set. if you mean 256mb, get lots (3x) more.
4 - if you G4 isn't at least a 733, look at upgrade cards
5 - Upgrade to 10.3 if you havn't yet
6 - get a couple of books - colormanament and photoshop CS for photogpaphers

Feb 03, 2004 at 11:56 PM
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1. Upgrade to PS CS, you'll get a RAW developer and full high color support in one $170 upgrade. You may want C1 later, but if you are already well familiar with PS do yourself a favor and learn the process using PS CS for RAW devel. I agree about what "lots of RAM" changing meanings: 1GB seems to be the minimum to get PS CS out of it's own way when messing about with high color photos and RAW development, and 2GB is not ridiculous.

2. Buy the book "The Photoshop Book for Digital Photographers" by Scott Kelby -- the basics well laid out so you can find them again. There are other books with some different information that is good, and some of the methods in the Kelby book are a bit dated, but I think it's the best "one stop, learn most" book, and, as I said, it's laid out to make a decent reference in the future.

3. Be careful when buying a printer -- the Mac OS X support can be a pain in the neck -- be sure you get positive recommendations from Mac owners before deciding on the printer. I'm a PC user myself, but have had all kinds of problems getting printers to work with other people's OS X machines. I've heard that's getting better, but seek Mac user advice for the printer -- the Mac drivers sometimes are inferior.

4. Do look into sharpening plug-ins. I agree with dscottf that it's worth spending $100 there for a plug-in to get better results faster. I happen to mostly use Unsharp Mask Pro (www.theimagingfactory.com), but Photokit SHARPENER works great and provides a really good tutorial on what is going on with sharpening and "why sharpen, where, and for what?". Since having PS CS, I decided to buy Photokit as they updated it to support high color files, and will use it more and more. See www.pixelgenius.com.

5. Learn to custom white balance so you're JPEGs aren't useless. Get an ExpoDisc (www. expodisc.com), or rig your own coffee filter / breathing mask / panty liner version as is so popular around the Fred Miranda forum. Having something that provides a diffused neutral image covering the front of the lens while you shoot a gray frame for CWB makes CWB painless and quick.

6. If you've been working at the low zoom end of that 28-135, you're suddenly going to find you need a wider lens. That 1.6x is what threw me hardest the fastest when first getting into the 10D because suddenly all my lenses changed field of view. I'm really happy with my 16-35/2.8, but it's a bit spendy. Many people seem to like the 17-40 just fine.

7. Get a couple of decent 1GB CF cards if you're going to shoot RAW. You don't need to buy the very fastest, but don't bother with microdrives -- they're painfully slow even by 10D standards, and both of mine died in a few months of usage in the 10D. See www.robgalbraith.com for a database of which CF cards work at what speeds in the 10D.

8. Get a colorimeter or photospectrometer based package for calibrating your monitor, and buy profiles for your printer from a third party after you decide what papers you like. At your first whiff of Color Management Hell, buy the book Real World Color Management by Bruce Fraser, et al, and read the first 4-5 chapters the first chance you get.

9. Don't forget to check your ISO setting every time you pick up the camera to shoot. You won't have that film-roll selection process to keep the ISO synched, and you'll be really upset the first time you shoot a bunch of pictures at ISO 400 when you could have been shooting 200 due to the noise difference.

10. Shoot like crazy, try your best at development, and when you're puzzled, post a picture around here with the question and just ignore any flames (it's not too bad here, but there's always some clown).

Feb 04, 2004 at 06:32 AM
 



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p.1 #9 · 10D Advice Needed


A book that helped me understand my 10d quite a bit can be found here:
http://www.shortcourses.com/
There is a book specific to the 10d scroll down the list - its there among other things!

Painless? I don't know if there is such a thing. Everyone’s taste is different. I know people who have 10d cameras shoot JPGs, print, and love what they get. I know other people shoot RAW spend hours in Photoshop and then complain.

I think your attitude and ability to accept/learn new things will determine how you like your 10d more so than any lens or software you buy. But then again I don’t know you or how critical you are.

Did this help?

Feb 04, 2004 at 01:05 PM
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p.1 #10 · 10D Advice Needed


I have both Canon lenses, the 70-200 and 100-400, L, IS lenses for my 10D. The 100-400 is, by far, my favorite lens, so much so that I rarely use the 70-200L. While I'm on a PC, I've found that C1 offers the best RAW image conversion of any of the converters, including ACR2. The way C1 can pull detail out of overexposed hi-lites is amazing.

Feb 04, 2004 at 04:01 PM
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p.1 #11 · 10D Advice Needed


I agree with much of the advice given here. As a G4 and 10D user I can tell you that the 100/400 is a perfect fit on the 10D. Works as well on the 10D as it worked on my EOS 3. I have a few suggestions. Use PhotoShop CS and the raw conversion. It will be more than satisfactory and simplfy your work flow.

here is an example of of a 100/400 shot with taped pins on 1.4TC handheld. Converted using P/S CS. Sharpened using USM at 40%.



This image is copyrighted by the owner





Here's a link to my 10D photo albumn:

http://homepage.mac.com/meckstein/PhotoAlbum5.html

Feb 04, 2004 at 04:48 PM
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p.1 #12 · 10D Advice Needed


Lots of great info above!

To solve the wide angle problem I went with the 17-40 and love it! Can't really tell the difference in the field without direct comparison between it and my 24 on my EOS1n. I have an older 80-200 that I love and it is my most used along lens with the wide zoom, but then I am doing PJ work for a newspaper.

I also bought the 300 f34 IS and with the 500D close-up lens is so cool for macro.

The 1.4 converter is also a must have.

This site has a very good sharpening action that is very inexpensive compared to the others listed.

I haven't upgraded to PS CS yet as I bought the Adobe RAW for PS7 and so far it works just fine.

Another little tool you may really want is PhotoRescue - for those time when you inadvertently delete images off the CF card. It is an inexpensive utility but only works in OS X. It has saved my bacon a couple of times.

lara

Feb 04, 2004 at 05:19 PM
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I will inject a note of caution here. The Mac version of C1 is NOT the same as the Windows version, yet. I recently switched to C1SE for Mac and was pretty disappointed in the omission of some of the best features from the Windows Version, most specifically the previews are lousy. This is hopefully going to be addressed in May with a new release, but I would try before you buy on C1.

Photo browser is another issue on the Mac platform. Iview Media Pro seems to be the only viable option for a reasonable price. If you call $160 reasonable.

Like Christo said, supported printers in OSX 10.x.x are worth looking into. But I will say that there are a lot of Gimp drivers available from sourceforge.net and at least in my case, with my old Epson 980, the Gimp driver is clearly SUPERIOR to the Epson supplied driver for OSX. Better color, better dithering and communicates with my wireless router.

Feb 04, 2004 at 08:33 PM
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p.1 #14 · 10D Advice Needed


Browsing,slideshow, batch processing and lots more on the mac. Shareware!!!!
http://www.lemkesoft.com/ -graphic converter. Love it.
Louis

Cristo -- A gold star for you.

Feb 05, 2004 at 11:45 AM
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p.1 #15 · 10D Advice Needed


I enjoy my 100-400L for shooting the zoo in particular. I also have the 70-200L IS which is great for sports.

Feb 05, 2004 at 02:11 PM
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