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p.1 #1 · Another bad blow to Canon

Well after the entire 1d3 issue with the focusing and such, Im sure Canon wants to put that WAAAAY behind them, however, reports of the new 50D aren't looking so good.

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/695726/

take special note to the link halfway down the page.

Oct 10, 2008 at 02:28 AM

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p.1 #2 · Another bad blow to Canon

While its an interesting read for sure, it sounds almost exactly like what the "DBS" (dead battery syndrome) was with Nikon, which apparently plagued a number of models. The err99 problem in 50ds is linked to the batteries, so I'm guessing its basically the same thing.

Something about glass houses?

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Oct 10, 2008 at 02:38 AM

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p.1 #3 · Another bad blow to Canon

From that link halfway down:

"the ER99 error is due to an insufficient amount of Gold in the lens contacts on the body"

Holy crap, Canon cutting corners or something? Sounds like a big fuggup by them.

Oct 10, 2008 at 02:39 AM

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p.1 #4 · Another bad blow to Canon

Mike Yam wrote:
From that link halfway down:

"the ER99 error is due to an insufficient amount of Gold in the lens contacts on the body"

Holy crap, Canon cutting corners or something? Sounds like a big fuggup by them.

ya, "older" 50D's will have a slower AF system, that sucks.

Oct 10, 2008 at 02:47 AM

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p.1 #5 · Another bad blow to Canon

i haven't read the whole stuff there, but aren't there always a few models that exhibit a slight malfunction? Those early adopters are mainly people who can be seen on these forums a lot too, so these errors look excessive, i bet most of the 50D owners are plenty happy.

If not: sheesh that would really suck, back to manufacturing copiers i'd say...

Oct 10, 2008 at 05:32 AM

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p.1 #6 · Another bad blow to Canon

So far the report is from one service tech that could be spouting nonsense. Lets wait for some real word on what's up and see if anyone ever test out the difference.

Don't believe what you read on the internet or see on Fox News.

Then again... Canon is a photo copier company...

Oct 10, 2008 at 06:56 AM

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p.1 #7 · Another bad blow to Canon

Good points from you guys. These issues are always blown out of proportion on forums where you're dealing with enthusiasts and brand loyalties.

Oct 10, 2008 at 07:26 AM

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p.1 #8 · Another bad blow to Canon

Hmm, reminds me of the 1DIII problems. People would post, then half of them would say "No problems here", or "you're doing it wrong", or similar but turned out bad. Glad I made the switch back to Nikon!

Steve

Oct 10, 2008 at 11:33 AM

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p.1 #9 · Another bad blow to Canon

Steve Perry wrote:
Hmm, reminds me of the 1DIII problems. People would post, then half of them would say "No problems here", or "you're doing it wrong", or similar but turned out bad. Glad I made the switch back to Nikon!

Steve

True, but with nikon cameras you'll always get: My D-whatever tends to overexpose, buy at least 1 stop. Then you'll see several testshots of empty cokebottles or mailboxes.

Oct 10, 2008 at 11:46 AM

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p.1 #10 · Another bad blow to Canon

Ben, do we really need this type of thread here

I shoot both disciplines but come over here (Nikon Forum) to get away from this crap...
or so I thought.

Oct 10, 2008 at 11:53 AM

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p.1 #11 · Another bad blow to Canon

Doesn't seem to me that this is any worse than the dead battery syndrome on the D300's (and D200's and D80's and apparently even D700's - and the D80 and D200 versions only JUST NOW got fixed! D700 isn't fixed yet.)

Gerald

Oct 10, 2008 at 12:28 PM

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p.1 #12 · Another bad blow to Canon

chemprof wrote:
Doesn't seem to me that this is any worse than the dead battery syndrome on the D300's (and D200's and D80's and apparently even D700's - and the D80 and D200 versions only JUST NOW got fixed! D700 isn't fixed yet.)

Gerald

Sorry, don't mean to go OT BUT - Do you any more info on this? One time in Yellowstone a couple weeks ago my D300 had a full battery but then would flash that it was dead. Turn it off and on it's good again till I pressed the shutter. Popping out the battery fixed it, but I didn't know it was an known bug.

Steve

Oct 10, 2008 at 01:01 PM

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p.1 #13 · Another bad blow to Canon

trenchmonkey wrote:
Ben, do we really need this type of thread here

I shoot both disciplines but come over here (Nikon Forum) to get away from this crap...
or so I thought.

just thought I'd spread the EOSfun, lololol.

I normally dont post this type of crap, but thought it was fairly interesting, so I had to.

Oct 10, 2008 at 01:04 PM

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Oct 10, 2008 at 01:05 PM

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p.1 #15 · Another bad blow to Canon

Steve Perry wrote:
Hmm, reminds me of the 1DIII problems. People would post, then half of them would say "No problems here", or "you're doing it wrong", or similar but turned out bad. Glad I made the switch back to Nikon!

Steve

I stood up for Canon on a bunch of other forums and my Mark III was doing fine. That was until a couple weeks ago when the Mark III decided to just stop autofocusing for me all together. Off to Canon for repair and then it is off to the auction block.

I shot Nikon from 2001 to 2006 and now I am back to Nikon and cannot believe all that I have been missing out on. When I switched to Canon, it was because they had the edge on the SLR market with full frame sensors, faster glass and whatnot while Nikon stuck to the same ol' 6-10mp bodies with poor ISO.

Now, I think Nikon trumps canon in every department except faster glass. I would rather loose a stop of light and have sharp images than have that extra play and have oof ones any day!

Oct 10, 2008 at 01:28 PM

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p.1 #16 · Another bad blow to Canon

Steve Perry wrote:
chemprof wrote:
Doesn't seem to me that this is any worse than the dead battery syndrome on the D300's (and D200's and D80's and apparently even D700's - and the D80 and D200 versions only JUST NOW got fixed! D700 isn't fixed yet.)

Gerald

Sorry, don't mean to go OT BUT - Do you any more info on this? One time in Yellowstone a couple weeks ago my D300 had a full battery but then would flash that it was dead. Turn it off and on it's good again till I pressed the shutter. Popping out the battery fixed it, but I didn't know it was an known bug.

Steve

Yes, that's the problem. I've had it a few times with my D200, but not my D300 (go figure). The latest firmware updates are supposed to fix this (check the Nikon site).

Gerald

Oct 10, 2008 at 01:36 PM

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p.1 #17 · Another bad blow to Canon

shutter2speak wrote:
I stood up for Canon on a bunch of other forums and my Mark III was doing fine. That was until a couple weeks ago when the Mark III decided to just stop autofocusing for me all together. Off to Canon for repair and then it is off to the auction block.

I am not defending Canon but that situation can happen to you with a Nikon camera or with any other camera for that matter. That's the reason they have a professional service center. If you switch system (including all lenses) each time your camera fails you, it could be really expensive

but whatever floats your boat

Oct 10, 2008 at 01:47 PM

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p.1 #18 · Another bad blow to Canon

as bad as DBS. and i'm not vouching for nikon so much either. i've already had two lenses go back to them this year.

Oct 10, 2008 at 01:48 PM

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p.1 #19 · Another bad blow to Canon

trenchmonkey wrote:
Ben, do we really need this type of thread here

I shoot both disciplines but come over here (Nikon Forum) to get away from this crap...
or so I thought.

Same here, Will, and I am enjoying both, I may add

Oct 10, 2008 at 02:02 PM

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p.1 #20 · Another bad blow to Canon

Man, I'm sure every camera has its little quirks that need to get worked out.

Actually, there is something called the "bathtub distribution" that refers to the defect rate of any product over time. It's because the defect rate is relatively high initially (like 2-5% or even higher) as the "teething problems" are worked out. The defect rate then stabilizes at something reasonable throughout the lifetime of the product and then shoots up again as the product enters its end-of-life.

So no need to gloat over Canon's bathtub distribution. This is why I'm glad I'm always behind the tech curve

BTW Josh, do post up some pictures taken with your Nikon gear sometime. Just be sure to tell us the tech details of each shot

Oct 10, 2008 at 02:30 PM

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p.1 #21 · Another bad blow to Canon

trenchmonkey wrote:
Ben, do we really need this type of thread here

I shoot both disciplines but come over here (Nikon Forum) to get away from this crap...
or so I thought.

+1!
It is obvious that this is meant as a stab at Canon, period, rather than an informative or constructive statement and, hey, I am all for some interesting debate between brands too, but...according to posts here CANON only makes glorified copiers

Neither NIKON nor CANON have any killers anymore! And I am sure a competent photographer will be able to get images as well wether they use a CANON or a NIKON or whatever. Gone are the days of market supremacy.

Oct 10, 2008 at 03:35 PM

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p.1 #22 · Another bad blow to Canon

trenchmonkey wrote:
Ben, do we really need this type of thread here

I shoot both disciplines but come over here (Nikon Forum) to get away from this crap...
or so I thought.

+1 and I do not even shoot Canon. It seems this belongs on the Canon forum too as there is nothing in the OP's original message that has to do with Nikon.

Also, one report means nothing. For example: My 1st D70s had issues 3 weeks into ownership but my 2nd D70s has been working like a charm for 4 years now.

Oct 10, 2008 at 05:16 PM

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p.1 #23 · Another bad blow to Canon

AGeoJO wrote:
shutter2speak wrote:
I stood up for Canon on a bunch of other forums and my Mark III was doing fine. That was until a couple weeks ago when the Mark III decided to just stop autofocusing for me all together. Off to Canon for repair and then it is off to the auction block.

I am not defending Canon but that situation can happen to you with a Nikon camera or with any other camera for that matter. That's the reason they have a professional service center. If you switch system (including all lenses) each time your camera fails you, it could be really expensive

but whatever floats your boat

.

My Mark III busted on me and cannot autofocus, my SB-800's hot shoe flopped off, my 24-70 is soft beyond soft, my 70-200mm IS motor is going, my Canon 20Ds and 30Ds had Errs and buffer issues, an 85mm busted and wouldn't AF... want me to keep going? I take great care of all my equipment and all these issues were purely the equipment... Also, I am a CPS member and they couldn't get me a loaner Mark III or anything until 7-10 business days! Horrible support from them. It is pretty bad when you get a camera and then they follow your registration with a letter with a $100 repair voucher with it! Like they know it will fail on you soon so here is a free $100 to make it hurt less.

I switched to Canon back in 2006 from Nikon where I had no issues. I made the switch because Canon has more cameras out, more stuff in stock regularly, faster lenses, cmos sensors in all cameras and full frame sensors while Nikon was still at the D200 and D2x stages with nothing in stock. As a business decision, I wanted to make sure stuf would be in stock if I needed it immediately.

I did take a loss of about $1500 to go back to Nikon but from a busienss stand point, I need to go with what is reliable. I have help at a local camera store that only stocks Nikon which I hit up again and got things a tiny bit cheaper at least.

I am not a back and forth switcher with every camera that comes out. I am ticked at Canon and how they handled all this stuff so they are on my S* list

Oct 10, 2008 at 05:56 PM

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p.1 #24 · Another bad blow to Canon

I find it kind of humerous all the back biting back and forth between brand loyalists. I had Canon since the D30 with multiple bodies right up to a 1D until I got smitten with a D200. I had a huge investment with Canon lenses prior to that switch, and frankly miss some of those lenses which don't translate to the Nikon lineup. However, I can say one thing with confidence. I DO feel that ergonmically the Nikon bodies are designed for a photographer in mind regarding access and feel. Not that that would keep me from ever owning another Canon body, it just hasn't happened.

I went with a D300 when I transitioned from a brief move to Olympus over a year ago. I enjoyed the quantum leap forward that made. I've now moved on to the D700 and am thrilled not only with it's ergonomic layout but the low noise I can count on. I'm sure the new 5DMKII will be a huge hit while they pick up the pieces from their 1DMKIII debacle. I suspect they'll get that right next time around...they can't afford not to. But I still admire their ability to produce a superbly competent image. I could take great images from either camera frankly. I still maintain more often than not its the person behind the tool....NOT the tool that most effects the image quality

Oct 10, 2008 at 06:11 PM

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p.1 #25 · Another bad blow to Canon

traveler wrote:
I find it kind of humerous all the back biting back and forth between brand loyalists. I had Canon since the D30 with multiple bodies right up to a 1D until I got smitten with a D200. I had a huge investment with Canon lenses prior to that switch, and frankly miss some of those lenses which don't translate to the Nikon lineup. However, I can say one thing with confidence. I DO feel that ergonmically the Nikon bodies are designed for a photographer in mind regarding access and feel. Not that that would keep me from ever owning another Canon body, it just hasn't happened.

I went with a D300 when I transitioned from a brief move to Olympus over a year ago. I enjoyed the quantum leap forward that made. I've now moved on to the D700 and am thrilled not only with it's ergonomic layout but the low noise I can count on. I'm sure the new 5DMKII will be a huge hit while they pick up the pieces from their 1DMKIII debacle. I suspect they'll get that right next time around...they can't afford not to. But I still admire their ability to produce a superbly competent image. I could take great images from either camera frankly. I still maintain more often than not its the person behind the tool....NOT the tool that most effects the image quality

No doubt about that - I have some images that I took with my Canon equipment that are great - the person makes a HUGE diff, BUT I got to the point I couldn't trust my Canon equipment to deliver the picture. You have to have confidence in your equipment, and that was lost with Canon for me.

Steve

Oct 10, 2008 at 08:20 PM


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