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p.2 #1 · First D200/D300 Comparison Shots


HerbChong wrote:
why do people do this with a new camera? the battery is about 1/4 charged out of the box. take some shots and charge later.

Herb...



Yes, given that the D300 takes the same battery as the D200 it would be even easier in this case...



Oct 09, 2008 at 07:03 AM
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p.2 #2 · First D200/D300 Comparison Shots


Owning both, I would say that the second one is the D200.

1. Fewer pixels in second image.
2. First has slightly more saturated colors - typical for the D300 as opposed to the D200 (slightly warmer colors as well - shift to red)

Gerald



Oct 09, 2008 at 07:12 AM
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p.2 #3 · First D200/D300 Comparison Shots


How long do we have to wait for the correct answer


Oct 09, 2008 at 08:07 AM
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p.2 #4 · First D200/D300 Comparison Shots


They look the same to me. The top has better metering but it might be that the sun has changed in the meantime.


Oct 09, 2008 at 08:14 AM
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p.2 #5 · First D200/D300 Comparison Shots


First one is sharper so i am guessing it's the d300, but the first image looks like what i get out of my d80 from a metering aspect alot so i am guessing thats the d200 since they have a very similar sensor.

So in reality it's a bad test because i believe the 2nd image is focused soft leading most to believe it's the d200, when in reality it's a slow shutter/wind wobble tripod issue or slightly missed focus issue


My Final answer is 2nd D200
So which one is it??




Oct 09, 2008 at 08:15 AM
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p.2 #6 · First D200/D300 Comparison Shots


Gary, Don't fret your purchase. i own both also and find myself reaching for the D300 99% or the time. i've got about 20K on it now and about 40K on the D200. the D300 is by far a better camera....promise!


Oct 09, 2008 at 11:11 AM
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p.2 #7 · First D200/D300 Comparison Shots


You need the D2X profiles, then do this test again.


Oct 09, 2008 at 11:26 AM
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p.2 #8 · First D200/D300 Comparison Shots


also, the exposure time was different :-)


Oct 09, 2008 at 11:27 AM
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p.2 #9 · First D200/D300 Comparison Shots


Maybe the focus is a little off in the d300?? i would try and swap it out before i gave up on the D300 body??


Oct 09, 2008 at 11:27 AM
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p.2 #10 · First D200/D300 Comparison Shots


BenV wrote:
You need the D2X profiles, then do this test again.


I do plan on loading those profiles. Not sure when I’ll get to it, but I thought those profiles were geared towards skin tones?

BenV wrote:
also, the exposure time was different :-)


This is true, which tells me in 20/20 hindsight that I should have done it in manual mode, and I’ve done enough of this kind of testing to know that. That’s why I picked Kelvin temps instead of a pre-set WB, such as Auto. Should have done the same with the shutter speed. Worth trying again, just because of that. Thanks for pointing that out.

90 5.0 wrote:
Maybe the focus is a little off in the d300?? i would try and swap it out before i gave up on the D300 body??


While this could be true, I’ll scrutinize the focus a lot more before I do that.

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Oct 09, 2008 at 11:47 AM
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p.2 #11 · First D200/D300 Comparison Shots


BenV wrote:
You need the D2X profiles, then do this test again.


So true, the original ones are garbage IMO.



Oct 09, 2008 at 01:31 PM
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p.2 #12 · First D200/D300 Comparison Shots


Mike Yam wrote:
So true, the original ones are garbage IMO.



Yep, another vote for the D2x modes, especially mode-1. We all went through these Picture Control setting issues, tweaked and re-tweaked them and got things looking fairly okay. Then Nikon came out with the D2x modes and made everything look great effortlessly. If you want to keep your images crisp like the D200, a couple more things to do are to set Active D-Lighting to low or off and leave noise reduction off altogether.





Oct 09, 2008 at 02:27 PM
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Wingspar wrote:
In reality, the top one is from the D200, and the bottom one is from the D300. I was a little disappointed. In other shots I took later on in the day, the D200 provided more contrast, and sharper detail, while the detail in the D300 looks a little muddy.



I think the simple answer is don't shoot jpgs. Shoot raw on your $1600 camera.



Oct 09, 2008 at 02:35 PM
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According to the EXIF, the shutter speed on the D300 shot is 1/2500. The D200 shot is 1/3500. Which makes the D300 shot a bit overexposed, hence a bit muddy, lacking contrast and detail.

As for your DOF issues, I do not see what you mean, the leaves in the background have obviously moved with the wind which creates a different background.

Before you start pondering why the D300 meters different, well, they are different cameras and they will meter differently, especially as with such a bright object in the middle of the frame metering will be affected even by tiny changes in the rest of the frame.

So basically, it's a crap test



Oct 09, 2008 at 02:37 PM
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p.2 #15 · First D200/D300 Comparison Shots


Elan II wrote:
Yep, another vote for the D2x modes, especially mode-1. We all went through these Picture Control setting issues, tweaked and re-tweaked them and got things looking fairly okay. Then Nikon came out with the D2x modes and made everything look great effortlessly. If you want to keep your images crisp like the D200, a couple more things to do are to set Active D-Lighting to low or off and leave noise reduction off altogether.


I did look at the download page at NikonUSA for the D2X modes the other day, and looked at the installation pdf file. It specifically says to connect the camera to computer with USB chord. It makes no mention of using a CF card as they do for upgrading firmware. Has anyone used your CF card to install the controls on the camera?

Jammy Straub wrote:
I think the simple answer is don't shoot jpgs. Shoot raw on your $1600 camera.


I shoot mostly jpg’s, and usually shoot RAW for important shoots where I know I’m going to be selling prints. As a sports shooter, jpg’s work just fine. If I need to print one, I’ll convert to tiff in ACR. Works well. I don’t feel like coming home with 500 to 700 RAW images, but I don’t want to get into a jpg vs RAW discussion here.

panos.v wrote:
According to the EXIF, the shutter speed on the D300 shot is 1/2500. The D200 shot is 1/3500. Which makes the D300 shot a bit overexposed, hence a bit muddy, lacking contrast and detail.

As for your DOF issues, I do not see what you mean, the leaves in the background have obviously moved with the wind which creates a different background.

So basically, it's a crap test


FM takes the shutter speeds and adds zeros to them for some reason. The shutter speeds are really 1/250 and 1/350 sec. If you download the images, all the exif that CS3 keeps will still be there, but as I said before, I should have shot manual, so that is a weak part in this test, but I said these quick and dirty tests in my first post.

It was windy yesterday. I hadn’t thought of that for the DOF thing. Airport, about 1 mile away as the crow flies, had winds in the mid 40 mph yesterday, tho it wasn’t quite that bad at the house.

I wouldn’t say it’s a crap test, it’s just not technically correct. However, it was interesting to do and get feedback. Interaction with other forum members about photography is part of why most of us post here. This may have helped someone also, and maybe not. It definitely pointed out my error with the shutter speeds, something I knew about, but wasn’t thinking about, and probably might not have noticed if someone hadn’t pointed it out. I might do this over again, and post the results back to this thread, but this time I will use my Sekonic light meter and shoot in manual.

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Oct 09, 2008 at 04:01 PM
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p.2 #16 · First D200/D300 Comparison Shots


...you can tweak the settings in the 300 and get it ramped up to your liking.


Oct 09, 2008 at 05:46 PM
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p.2 #17 · First D200/D300 Comparison Shots


blackfeather wrote:
...you can tweak the settings in the 300 and get it ramped up to your liking.


There are so many tweakings that can be done with the D300 that it boggles my mind. There are enough differences between the 200 and 300, that it will take a while before I start doing too many tweaks. I’ve barely had the camera 28 hours. My main thing is to get it set up for shooting sports. I’ll bet I run off 700 to 1000 clicks of the shutter this coming Saturday alone. I hope to learn enough of the new stuff over the D200 to figure out which settings I want experiment with on Saturday to the point I can change them on the fly without missing much.

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Oct 09, 2008 at 05:53 PM
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p.2 #18 · First D200/D300 Comparison Shots


Wingspar wrote:
I did look at the download page at NikonUSA for the D2X modes the other day, and looked at the installation pdf file. It specifically says to connect the camera to computer with USB chord. It makes no mention of using a CF card as they do for upgrading firmware. Has anyone used your CF card to install the controls on the camera?


They're telling you to copy the new picture controls to the camera via the USB connection, but you can copy them directly to the card just as well. The actual loading is done from the CF card in either case.





Oct 09, 2008 at 05:58 PM
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p.2 #19 · First D200/D300 Comparison Shots


Elan II wrote:
They're telling you to copy the new picture controls to the camera via the USB connection, but you can copy them directly to the card just as well. The actual loading is done from the CF card in either case.


Thank you for that info. I thought it strange since the process for installing firmware and picture controls seemed to be so similar, I had to wonder why they left out the fact that you can use your CF card from the picture control instal when either your CF card or USB cable was ok for firmware upgrades, which I just did to my D200 last week

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Oct 09, 2008 at 06:04 PM
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p.2 #20 · First D200/D300 Comparison Shots


Gary, a couple of suggestions to help you get the best out of the D300: Firstly, create a custom "Neutral" picture profile for yourself. I've played around with these a lot and I'm extremely happy with the colour-accuracy and tonal quality of my current settings (which I find notably more pleasing than any of the D2X profiles, which I almost never use):

"Neutral"
- Sharpening: +4
- Contrast: +1
- Brightness: -1
- Saturation: +1

And secondly, go to the "Fine-Tune Exposure" option in the camera's menus and set all of your metering (Matrix, Centre-Weighted and Spot) to -2/6 of a stop. I found this notably improved exposure accuracy on my D300, which I wasn't at all happy with when I first got the camera.

Hope that helps.



Oct 09, 2008 at 06:28 PM
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