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p.2 #1 · Canon interview on dpreview

5D Mk 3 will have 10 point AF. I heard it from my cousin who knows someone at this local store whose mom's ex-husband is a canon rep

better get ready... 3/2009

Oct 03, 2008 at 02:40 PM

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There have been no complaints from users? No one listening to the people saying that there is a single useable AF point, albeit a good one?

Not sure I follow his logic either. If there is a bigger AF sensor in a smaller body (50D) then to put it in a larger body would mean making the larger body bigger?

It's BS anyway, the AF sensor is exactly the same size which is why the points are nearer the edges on the crop camera.

I think you are missing the point here and although the answer definitely smells of BS, it has a kernel of truth as well. If you compare the 20D/30D to the 40D/50D, they did increase the size of the camera a little bit. It seems likely to me that as they increased the size of the camera they also made a bit more room for a larger AF sensor. Since the size of the AF sensor in the 5D and presumably the 5D MKII is the the same as the 20D/30D, then it seems likely that the AF sensor may actually be bigger in the 40D/50D than in the 5D/5DMKII. If you cut through the BS, however, what is really being said here is that Canon was not willing to redesign the body to allow for an improved AF system. Such a redesign would have increased the size a little, but it is probably BS that the size increase is why they didn't do it. The size increase would probably have been pretty small. The real reason they didn't do is probably because they thought that the cost of redesigning the body and improving the AF wouldn't translate into enough increased sales to justify it. It seem likely they made this design because their market research suggested that most 5D users were pretty happy with the AF on their cameras.

So yes the answer is BS, but it contains just enough truth to let them get away with saying it and to prevent them from having to fess up to being too cheap to improve the AF system. My two cents.

Oct 03, 2008 at 03:08 PM

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p.2 #3 · Canon interview on dpreview

This interview confirms the feeling I got when trying the 5D2 (topic), a 5D stuffed with more pixels and a manually (or almost) focused video.
After trying the Nikon D700, the 5D2 looks already like an old hat.

Oct 03, 2008 at 03:24 PM

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p.2 #4 · Canon interview on dpreview

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After trying the Nikon D700, the 5D2 looks already like an old hat.

except for the wonderful 1Ds3 sensor in a $2700 box.

Oct 03, 2008 at 03:41 PM

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p.2 #5 · Canon interview on dpreview

If you can't get the image to it, it makes the sensor mute.

Oct 03, 2008 at 03:42 PM

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If you can't get the image to it, it makes the sensor mute.

Are you f'ing kidding me? I'm so sick of this forum and the hacks that patrol it. If you can't get an image on a 5D you are a hack. Nothing more. Perhaps something less. Go find a new freaking hobby for christ sake.

Oct 03, 2008 at 04:03 PM

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Depressing. Either Canon doesn't get what is wrong with its line-up, or it just doesn't care.

I think the second is true...and their market share is not taking a hit AFAICT. Basically, they just ignore folks like us on the forums when majority of the folks who buy these cameras don't really have strong opinions about the features we are clamoring about (or else their market share would tell them a different story).

Having said that, I am still craving a smaller body with 1D class AF performance and I WILL pay the price. Heck, I would even pay 4K+ for a removable grip 1D Mk IV.

-V

Oct 03, 2008 at 04:24 PM

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p.2 #8 · Canon interview on dpreview

If you can't take a joke, you go somewhere, I have a few suggestions where to go or what to do with your suggestion, but FM might get mad it I post those words.

Tim Speciale wrote:

Are you f'ing kidding me? I'm so sick of this forum and the hacks that patrol it. If you can't get an image on a 5D you are a hack. Nothing more. Perhaps something less. Go find a new freaking hobby for christ sake.

Oct 03, 2008 at 04:25 PM

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monochrome wrote:
If you can't take a joke, you go somewhere, I have a few suggestions where to go or what to do with your suggestion, but FM might get mad it I post those words.

Tim Speciale wrote:

Are you f'ing kidding me? I'm so sick of this forum and the hacks that patrol it. If you can't get an image on a 5D you are a hack. Nothing more. Perhaps something less. Go find a new freaking hobby for christ sake.

If you were joking then you wouldn't have taken offense to what i've said. This forum has seeped to the level of DPreview (so far so that they must post the garbage that is posted over there).

We are suppose to be photographers, not gear nerds. The two aren't mutually exclusive but when you start insinuating that the 5D or 5DMKII or any other modern SLR can't take a photograph you look like a buffoon, at least in the eyes of those who take photography, at least, semi-seriously.

Oct 03, 2008 at 04:36 PM

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i still cant imagine how people just waste their time here talking about idle drivel. Tim, your right. Everyone else, go through old photos and see the caliber of pictures photographers have been able to shoot with film and non AF lenses. Then sit down and be quiet.

Oct 03, 2008 at 04:44 PM

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Yes, I too was amazed at what was said:
"The EOS 1Ds Mark III, by comparison, offers robust durability and long shutter life as the most important features for use in harsh studio conditions, we believe. However when it comes to image quality itself; because of the constant digital technology developments in this industry, it's always the latest camera that is best. So things like ISO expansion range and dynamic range are in a sense better in the 5D Mark II."
Apart from the quite considerable price difference, "long shutter life" does not really cut it for me, as I had to replace the shutter in my 1DsMkII after 18 months.

Oct 03, 2008 at 05:05 PM

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Tim Speciale wrote:
monochrome wrote:
If you can't get the image to it, it makes the sensor mute.

Are you f'ing kidding me? I'm so sick of this forum and the hacks that patrol it. If you can't get an image on a 5D you are a hack. Nothing more. Perhaps something less. Go find a new freaking hobby for christ sake.

I often use my 40D over my 5D when I really need to get the shot; I trust my 40's AF more than my 5D's, which is understandable, the 40D is newer technology, but to not improve the 5D II's AF is just amazing to me.

Oct 03, 2008 at 05:14 PM

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Tim Speciale wrote:
monochrome wrote:
If you can't take a joke, you go somewhere, I have a few suggestions where to go or what to do with your suggestion, but FM might get mad it I post those words.

Tim Speciale wrote:

Are you f'ing kidding me? I'm so sick of this forum and the hacks that patrol it. If you can't get an image on a 5D you are a hack. Nothing more. Perhaps something less. Go find a new freaking hobby for christ sake.

If you were joking then you wouldn't have taken offense to what i've said. This forum has seeped to the level of DPreview (so far so that they must post the garbage that is posted over there).

We are suppose to be photographers, not gear nerds. The two aren't mutually exclusive but when you start insinuating that the 5D or 5DMKII or any other modern SLR can't take a photograph you look like a buffoon, at least in the eyes of those who take photography, at least, semi-seriously.

There are many that feel that the 5D has many problems shooting in low light, for Canon to want to give me a new 5D with the same AF as the old, I have to become a bit of a gearhead to follow that logic.

There's no insinuation about it, the 5D has problems shooting in lowlight. I have shot many times with it this year and that has been the crippler for me. Waiting for a new 5D, for a better system and they put VIDEO in it instead of a better AF. Don't talk about gearheads, Canon has changed that.

I agree with you about the direction of FM. But if FM won't control it, who cares. You want to insult someone, think again before you do.

Oct 03, 2008 at 05:44 PM

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p.2 #14 · Canon interview on dpreview

That guy must have taken notes from Alan Greenspan. His vague responses could be interpreted different ways. My take is this more of the same ol' same ol' from Canon.

They are obviously a skilled technology company, but they are certainly tone deaf to the market and their users. If I'm not young or a female why do I want an APS-C camera? (according to Canon) oh yeah, I don't...but they don't have a FF sports camera.

Their product line up doesn't make a lot of sense to me right now, they have the professional marketwell defined and a product for each segment. But once you get below that - I don't think they have answer for some key market segments, nor do they seem to have a plan to address them.

Oct 03, 2008 at 06:18 PM

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deebo7 wrote:
i still cant imagine how people just waste their time here talking about idle drivel. Tim, your right. Everyone else, go through old photos and see the caliber of pictures photographers have been able to shoot with film and non AF lenses. Then sit down and be quiet.

If you think FM is turning in to dpr, as you say in your own thread here then do something about it, and either raise your game and make informative posts, or move on. This kind of posts is insulting to those of us that read the interview and would like to talk about it, and more so to those that have shot film for many years before we migrated to digital.

Oct 03, 2008 at 06:31 PM

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monochrome wrote:
There's no insinuation about it, the 5D has problems shooting in lowlight. I have shot many times with it this year and that has been the crippler for me. Waiting for a new 5D, for a better system and they put VIDEO in it instead of a better AF. Don't talk about gearheads, Canon has changed that.

So basically, what you want is a better focusing full frame DSLR?

Oct 03, 2008 at 06:36 PM

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Scott T wrote:
deebo7 wrote:
i still cant imagine how people just waste their time here talking about idle drivel. Tim, your right. Everyone else, go through old photos and see the caliber of pictures photographers have been able to shoot with film and non AF lenses. Then sit down and be quiet.

If you think FM is turning in to dpr, as you say in your own thread here then do something about it, and either raise your game and make informative posts, or move on. This kind of posts is insulting to those of us that read the interview and would like to talk about it, and more so to those that have shot film for many years before we migrated to digital.

My own thread? What the hell are you talking about? There are some of us who do actually post photo's and who do actually give input on reasonable questions and discussions. I have no problem with the speculation threads. I get just as excited as everyone else does this time of year.

That said, i also know how to work with what i've got. I use a 7 year old 1D. I'm not a great photographer by any stretch, but i make it work. If you dont' like how the 5D AF's then don't use it. Canon owes you nothing. If you want to switch to Nikon, do so...that is free market capitalism at its best.

This "interview" is PROOOOOF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hear that, leme say it again PROOOOOOOOFFF!!!! that what is said here really does not effect what Canon does.

Bitching about the 5D's AF on FM.com is a waste of time. Go out and take some photo's.

Oct 03, 2008 at 06:40 PM

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Oct 03, 2008 at 06:48 PM

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p.2 #19 · Canon interview on dpreview

AF isn't exactly the same. Its not a drastic improvement, but its not the same either. Try it first, complain when you miss that shot of the eagle diving right in front of you for a fish

Oct 03, 2008 at 07:03 PM

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p.2 #20 · Canon interview on dpreview

It is pretty clear to me why the 5DII AF system was not changed in a significant way ... during the period when the spec's for the new 5DII were being locked in, Canon was having the 1DIII AF problems. They had not figured it out and just took a conservative decision to not put a new AF system in the 5DII. The pressure was building for a new 5D and they just needed to move forward with a technology that they could count on (or possibly because the upgraded system shared some technology with the 1DIII system). AF upgrades will be a key feature on the 5DIII. Canon will never admit that this is what happened ... we need to just move on.

Oct 03, 2008 at 07:17 PM

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p.2 #21 · Canon interview on dpreview

Tim Speciale wrote:
monochrome wrote:
There's no insinuation about it, the 5D has problems shooting in lowlight. I have shot many times with it this year and that has been the crippler for me. Waiting for a new 5D, for a better system and they put VIDEO in it instead of a better AF. Don't talk about gearheads, Canon has changed that.

So basically, what you want is a better focusing full frame DSLR?

Yes I would, and please don't say buy an "S". I have the "S"'s little brother. I waited for Canon to see what the 5DMKII would be so I now have a choice. I'm not on here whining about or stomping my feet that Canon didn't do it. I have said that I don't like they what they did though.

And as far as saying get out and shoot. I'll be doing plenty of it this weekend and next.

Oct 03, 2008 at 07:24 PM

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ichiro17 wrote:
AF isn't exactly the same. Its not a drastic improvement, but its not the same either. Try it first, complain when you miss that shot of the eagle diving right in front of you for a fish

Are you willing to spend almost 3K on it, to see? Some spent 5K on another body when it first came out. But most wouldn't be willing to by the MKII for shooting eagles.

Oct 03, 2008 at 07:27 PM

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Tim Speciale wrote:
...Bitching about the 5D's AF on FM.com is a waste of time. Go out and take some photo's.
No offense, but I've never understood comments like this. If we did as you suggest and took photos instead of posting on sites like this, then sites like this would cease to exist. I'd love to be taking photos insead of posting here, but my I'm at work and obviously working quite hard.

Oct 03, 2008 at 07:36 PM

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monochrome wrote:
ichiro17 wrote:
AF isn't exactly the same. Its not a drastic improvement, but its not the same either. Try it first, complain when you miss that shot of the eagle diving right in front of you for a fish

Are you willing to spend almost 3K on it, to see? Some spent 5K on another body when it first came out. But most wouldn't be willing to by the MKII for shooting eagles.

You don't like, bring it back. Its not that hard. And its a right granted to you within consumer laws.

I still don't see what the problem is. If you want to take your chances and wait for a new body with the better AF that you want, then give that a try. I know I'm good for a new 5DII

Oct 03, 2008 at 08:09 PM

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p.2 #25 · Canon interview on dpreview

Obviously all the bitching and whining has fallen on deaf ears. Canon have their own agenda. You can either accept it, wait for the 5D Mk III or 3D .... or cross over to the dark side. I am not canceling my pre-order for the 5D II as I think the IQ will outclass any other 35mm DSLR out there right now, plus more than 30 other upgrades over the 5D .... for less than the original price of the 5D. And I have not had a single problem with the AF on my 5D (maybe I have a rare copy

) so I am still a very happy camper.

Oct 03, 2008 at 08:19 PM


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