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p.8 #1 · 5D II, hit or miss?

Even though I will not buy this 5D I voted a direct hit, since I believe for the audience this camera targets it is really the best of EOSfun for the bucks. On my scale of "EOSfun per $" this 5DmkII would on the samel level as the 450D. I will however have to do with the suboptimum of some lousy 1D(s) mk II and III series cameras

Sep 17, 2008 at 05:53 PM

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p.8 #2 · 5D II, hit or miss?

I certainly won't buy it ASAP, the current 5D is able to fulfil my needs, but I like what I see (although I had hoped for some features that weren't included). Much depends on the pricing developments over the next 6-12 months.

But as a 5D replacement things are looking pretty interesting.

As for the HD video, it may be a gimmick, but after further thought it must be interesting creatively to play with lenses like the 85/1.2 or lets say a macro.

A price drop combined with cash back will certainly tempt me.

Ruy

Sep 17, 2008 at 06:30 PM

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p.8 #3 · 5D II, hit or miss?

Definitely a good move on Canon's behalf. However, with that said, I'll still be sticking with my 5D for the time being, and possibly wait 6-12 months before investing in the 5DII.

-Nick

Sep 17, 2008 at 06:48 PM

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p.8 #4 · 5D II, hit or miss?

RyanFlynn wrote:
I honestly just don't get why people spend so much energy defending a company like Canon. How many of the Canon apologists on here are full-time professionals? I adore my 5D's for the most part, and I'm quite certain the new one will have awesome IQ. I like everything about the camera except the AF. It was really just a major cock-up by Canon, and one that was 100% predictable.

It's not even like it makes good business sense. How many 1Ds III's do they sell a year, compared to the lower end models? I'm willing to bet they make far more money from the Rebels and XXD's. Why not price the new 5D at ~$3500-4k, and give it true weather sealing and pro level AF? There's a ton of people who want/need those features, but don't want the bulk of a 1D, and are willing to pay 1DIII prices to get a camera like that. They'd sell a HELL of a lot of them ... yes it would eat into 1-series sales, but if you make more money in the end, who gives a rat's? Profit is the name of the game, and Canon is doing everything they can to lessen their take.

I'm sure one of the Canon-is-my-god people will tell me why I'm an idiot now, and why over 3 years, it's too much to expect some sort of step forward in the AF department.

I started a poll here because I was truly interested in whether they were right, have a look below, looks like the least likely group to upgrade, the present 5D shooters, are all gunning to spend the money. If the sheep are willing to be led then why not shear them?

Sep 17, 2008 at 06:59 PM

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p.8 #5 · 5D II, hit or miss?

I don't understand all this "It will kill the 1Dxxx sales" line...
Obviously it hasn't hurt Nikon with their D300/D700 vs. the D3. You get a 1 series for it's handling, build and higher performance. Adding good AF into a 2-3k camera wouldn't kill sales of the 1 series at all, anymore than the 5D killed the sales of the 1DsM2. Even if the resolution was the same, pros need/want the build and even more importantly, the shutter-life of a pro-series camera.
Only Canon still use this 9-point system in anything but their pro-grade. Nikon jams their very nice 51-point into 2 non-pro bodies, Pentax uses the same AF sensor for ALL their cameras, even Sony has the same AF sensor for their mid-to-high range.
It boggles my mind as to why Canon would do what they did with this camera. The pictures will be beautiful with no doubt at all, but the usability of the camera has to come into the picture as well. I personally jumped ship because the D700 has everything I wanted in a camera: Decent FPS, easy access to controls, Auto-ISO that works, VERY good auto-focus, and some weather-resistance (Nikon seems pretty dubious as to what it can handle, but its better than nothing). I personally don't care much for more than 16mpix, 12 worked fine with my 5D as I never go about 20x30.
I applaud Canon for putting their big sensor into what will be a nice camera, but I boo them for not making the CAMERA better, just the picture. If half a wedding is OOF, all the resolution in the world won't make up for it.

Sep 17, 2008 at 07:03 PM

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Beni wrote: I started a poll here because I was truly interested in whether they were right, have a look below, looks like the least likely group to upgrade, the present 5D shooters, are all gunning to spend the money. If the sheep are willing to be led then why not shear them?

Maybe they see value in the 5D2 that you don't? Or are you saying that they're simply wrong and you're right?

Sep 17, 2008 at 07:04 PM

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p.8 #7 · 5D II, hit or miss?

I guess I'm going to be against the grain here as the 5D is one of my main wedding cams that I use in low light all the time without ever having had any problems with focusing. I've also shot many times in pouring rain with no problems either. I don't know what all the fuss is about focusing and better weather sealing. I've even shot in the rain at the beach.

Image quality is my thing and just like the original, Canon says this will be tops, even over the 1dsMk3 which is sad for the people who recently paid $8k for it.

As for the gapless microlenses, they did reduce the spacing, but yeah, I bet they want to save face for the 1Ds a little by saving that for the 1Dsmk4.

Sep 17, 2008 at 07:22 PM

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p.8 #8 · 5D II, hit or miss?

For me, I've outgrown my 30D. So, I'll be buying this camera some time in the next year. Either that, or I'll buy a field camera and re-learn all of my film processing techniques. I'm looking for better quality in the final print, and I haven't decided which path would be best for me.

Sep 17, 2008 at 07:26 PM

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p.8 #9 · 5D II, hit or miss?

Funny...the original post now shows that it was edited 39 years ago??

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p.1 #1 · 5D II, hit or miss? Rate: 1 2 3 4 5
3.5

I really wanted to like this camera and have the money saved up, especially at this price. I will not be buying this camera, based on the specs. What really got me excited about the 5D replacement was the D700. Now I can only hope that Canon has one more trick up it's sleeve and will announce the 3D at PK.

If not, I've waited this long to get into full frame. I guess an other year or so won't kill me.

Edited on Dec 31, 1969 at 07:00 PM

Sep 17, 2008 at 07:29 PM

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p.8 #10 · 5D II, hit or miss?

RalphJ wrote:
Beni wrote: I started a poll here because I was truly interested in whether they were right, have a look below, looks like the least likely group to upgrade, the present 5D shooters, are all gunning to spend the money. If the sheep are willing to be led then why not shear them?

Maybe they see value in the 5D2 that you don't? Or are you saying that they're simply wrong and you're right?

I said that although in the opinion of the guy I was quoting the upgrade wasn't worthwhile the least likely group were still going to upgrade. I'm not saying anything else but feel free to get angry about it anyway.

Sep 17, 2008 at 07:31 PM

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misanthropic a wrote:
I don't understand all this "It will kill the 1Dxxx sales" line...
Obviously it hasn't hurt Nikon with their D300/D700 vs. the D3. You get a 1 series for it's handling, build and higher performance.

And some shooters like dual memory cards. That would be a waste for me so I stick with the 5D. What is "performance" if you don't need or use the "performance" that you write about

misanthropic a wrote:
Adding good AF into a 2-3k camera wouldn't kill sales of the 1 series at all, anymore than the 5D killed the sales of the 1DsM2. Even if the resolution was the same, pros need/want the build and even more importantly, the shutter-life of a pro-series camera.
Only Canon still use this 9-point system in anything but their pro-grade. Nikon jams their very nice 51-point into 2 non-pro bodies, Pentax uses the same AF sensor for ALL their cameras, even Sony has the same AF sensor for their mid-to-high range.
It boggles my mind as to why Canon would do what they did with this camera.

All of them had to counter Canon's image quality by doing SOMETHING that might work in their favor.

misanthropic a wrote:
The pictures will be beautiful with no doubt at all, but the usability of the camera has to come into the picture as well. I personally jumped ship because the D700 has everything I wanted in a camera: Decent FPS, easy access to controls, Auto-ISO that works, VERY good auto-focus, and some weather-resistance (Nikon seems pretty dubious as to what it can handle, but its better than nothing).

I and others raise their hands because none of the things you listed here matter....to us, but to you and other buyers.

misanthropic a wrote:
I personally don't care much for more than 16mpix, 12 worked fine with my 5D as I never go about 20x30.

*I* agree, but there are those who WILL print that large on a daily basis.

misanthropic a wrote:
I applaud Canon for putting their big sensor into what will be a nice camera, but I boo them for not making the CAMERA better, just the picture. If half a wedding is OOF, all the resolution in the world won't make up for it.

That's the idiot behind the camera screwing up, not the camera.

Point is, many seem to look at things from their own eyes. Canon and not one of the other manufacturers build these cameras for any one person. They build them to appeal across a certain "group". You will not get everything YOU want in a camera because it's not about YOU. If that were the case this new camera would have everything you listed and *I* would then be pissed off because those things you listed are a waste to me.

Peace,
Cordell

Sep 17, 2008 at 07:31 PM

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p.8 #12 · 5D II, hit or miss?

I very much like what I see. One disappointment is that bracketing is still only +/- 2 stops...I'd like to see +/- 4.

I will order ASAP

Sep 17, 2008 at 07:33 PM

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p.8 #13 · 5D II, hit or miss?

I'm thinking of getting one. Should either way be better than my 20D (and full-frame will be really nice for my 17-40 to work with)

Sep 17, 2008 at 07:38 PM

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p.8 #14 · 5D II, hit or miss?

Major disappointment. Where's the EOS-3 digital body that everyone has been clamouring for for years? Only 4 fps and no adjustments to the AF system? MAJOR letdown. I may be done with Canon after this and the 1D Mk III fiasco that cost me tens of thousands.

Sep 17, 2008 at 07:41 PM

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p.8 #15 · 5D II, hit or miss?

cordellwillis wrote:
misanthropic a wrote:

That's the idiot behind the camera screwing up, not the camera.

Point is, many seem to look at things from their own eyes. Canon and not one of the other manufacturers build these cameras for any one person. They build them to appeal across a certain "group". You will not get everything YOU want in a camera because it's not about YOU. If that were the case this new camera would have everything you listed and *I* would then be pissed off because those things you listed are a waste to me.

Peace,
Cordell
My apologies, it would appear that this idiot should never try to point anything out that MIGHT go against the grain of YOUR views. It will not happen again.

Sep 17, 2008 at 07:42 PM

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misanthropic a wrote:
I personally don't care much for more than 16mpix, 12 worked fine with my 5D as I never go about 20x30.

cordellwillis wrote:
*I* agree, but there are those who WILL print that large on a daily basis.

There practically never were back in the film days, but the addition of 'digital' onto 'photography' has changed the industry in many ways. We're going to have to start putting a fewer number of smaller windows in our homes to accommodate all of these wall-sized prints...

Sep 17, 2008 at 07:46 PM

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Major disappointment. Where's the EOS-3 digital body that everyone has been clamouring for for years? Only 4 fps and no adjustments to the AF system? MAJOR letdown. I may be done with Canon after this and the 1D Mk III fiasco that cost me tens of thousands.

10's of thousands of frames or dollars?

I am equally bummed on this offering. I was ready to sell my old gear and upgrade, but now I'll just stick with what I have. At least they upped the ante on the 24L lens but the new Zeiss 21mm has me drooling.

Sep 17, 2008 at 07:47 PM

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p.8 #18 · 5D II, hit or miss?

Now if Nikon was intellegent they would release a D800 FAST with 16 megapixels and prove all the dissenters points. A couple of f4 pro zooms and bam, all the problems gone.

Sep 17, 2008 at 08:01 PM

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p.8 #19 · 5D II, hit or miss?

For everyone complaining about the FPS...Shoot Video mode!

Sep 17, 2008 at 08:55 PM

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p.8 #20 · 5D II, hit or miss?

What's the matter with you people ? I just can't understand you !
Canon delivered a very-very nice camera and I see you complaining about -almost- everything ! You complain about the AF module because of not having 45-51 sensors, when I use only the center one on my 1D MKII, my 40D and my 30D for tracking planes, birds etc. You complain about the resolution (it's to high !...) and you doubt about the high ISO IQ just because Nikon produced a 12 mp camera with excellent IQ in high ISO. And none of you has even tried this brand new camera ! You seem to forget that nobody from Canon asked you more bucks for this high mp camera. You pay the same amount and you buy twice the resolution. And you probably buy a comparable high ISO performance which in print could be even better than D700's just because of this high resolution ! If you try it and you don't like it, just buy whatever you like. I did it 7 years ago and I understand everyone that is dissapointed by his camera's system. But I think it's not fair to complain for something that you don't actually know it yet or you think that you know !

Sep 17, 2008 at 09:02 PM

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