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p.7 #1 · It's out: Canon 5D II

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No mirror flip in Live View ! (Cableaddict is suddenly intrigued. Stealth shots now possible.)

"If you use contrast-detect AF (called 'live mode' by Canon) in Live View the Mark II doesn't need to drop the mirror between exposures, this means the lag between pressing the shutter release button and the exposure is much shorter (it also means that in this mode camera is metering using the main sensor). This also makes the exposure much quieter."

Does that mean you can use lenses which previously caused the mirror to hit the back of the lens (like the Leica 19 mm on the old 5d) using this feature.

Sep 19, 2008 at 12:37 AM

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p.7 #2 · It's out: Canon 5D II

I have taken my 5D into light rain/mist over a number of hours, wiping it down constantly, and it performed flawlessly.

About the rain. When your in a tropical storm, hurricane, etc., which are the type of conditions some are talking about, the rain comes from all directions due to the intense wind. It would be fairly easy for water to work its way between the battery grip and the camera given it appears there is no gasket nor foam between that area of the 5DII and the grip. I have never read anywhere that Canon claims Weatherproof for the 5DII anyway and its probably a good idea that word not be used as it gives the wrong impression. Weather resistant is the word they use.

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Your right. Sorry. I can't imagine how Canon could make that claim given what the battery door and CF card slot look like. I'm in Florida and one week this month during a tropical storm, we had over 21" of rain in a few Days! Wonder if Canon would be willing to send me a 5DII so I could test their claim.

Tariq,

Forgive me if I am overstating the obvious here, but it seems to me that your hand would provide some extra protection around the CF slot door. Even if some trickles through your hand, the door is designed to withstand much more, according to Canon. Also, the battery door is on the bottom of the camera. Water obeys the laws of physics; it'll be pulled off the bottom of the camera by gravity much more readily than it will climb upwards, past the weather seals and into the body of the camera.

I think you'd get into trouble if you set the camera upside down and left it in the rain, otherwise...

I dunno, I've just heard a lot of stories about people who have taken their 5Ds and used them in light rain without any issue. The water-damage failures are almost always people who have tipped a canoe or something. I figure the 5D2 gives a bit more peace of mind, but we all still need to be as careful with the equipment as we are comfortable with. Bad things happen sometimes, regardless of how well sealed a body is.

Sep 19, 2008 at 02:05 AM

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p.7 #3 · It's out: Canon 5D II

ziyadj wrote:
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No mirror flip in Live View ! (Cableaddict is suddenly intrigued. Stealth shots now possible.)

"If you use contrast-detect AF (called 'live mode' by Canon) in Live View the Mark II doesn't need to drop the mirror between exposures, this means the lag between pressing the shutter release button and the exposure is much shorter (it also means that in this mode camera is metering using the main sensor). This also makes the exposure much quieter."

Does that mean you can use lenses which previously caused the mirror to hit the back of the lens (like the Leica 19 mm on the old 5d) using this feature.

Unlikely.

Even if you were careful to never engage the other AF system, I'm sure the mirror drops when you turn the camera off. Plus, you just MIGHT want to use the viewfinder once in a while with that Leica WA.

Sep 19, 2008 at 02:34 AM

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p.7 #4 · It's out: Canon 5D II

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Can you manually focus using the liveview. I have a 20D so don’t know how the liveview is used for manually focusing.

I guess if you were careful, and used the liveview for manual focusing and removed the lens before you turnoff the camera it may be possible to use some of the alternative lenses that have reported problems with mirror clearence on FF cameras. But I guess it may be a really cumbersome process.

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Sep 19, 2008 at 06:03 AM

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p.7 #5 · It's out: Canon 5D II

Damn this thread to hell. I was so happy to keep my 5D and stop chasing my tail, until that damned fisheye video...

Sep 19, 2008 at 06:48 AM

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p.7 #6 · It's out: Canon 5D II

I did a job with my 5D yesterday - I was amazed to see that it still takes very good quality pictures despite the anouncment of the 5DII.

Sep 19, 2008 at 07:15 AM

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p.7 #7 · It's out: Canon 5D II

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I did a job with my 5D yesterday - I was amazed to see that it still takes very good quality pictures despite the anouncment of the 5DII.

That's because your 5D is unaware yet of the new 5DII

Sep 19, 2008 at 07:26 AM

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p.7 #8 · It's out: Canon 5D II

The battery did die before I finnished the job so I think it knows something is up.

Sep 19, 2008 at 07:32 AM

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p.7 #9 · It's out: Canon 5D II

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If you only knew what a Rokkor 58 can do on 21 megapixels a couple of stops down. Never mind, I quite understand that cropability and extra detail don't interest you. ;-)

Well, as long as I don't know, I'm just fine, thanks

ok - i promise not to post any... ;-)

Sep 19, 2008 at 10:36 AM

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p.7 #10 · It's out: Canon 5D II

Much appreciated

The last thing I need is to start the whole body/lens process over again.

Once you find a (good enough) magic bullet, why tempt fate?

Sep 19, 2008 at 01:42 PM

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p.7 #11 · It's out: Canon 5D II

That's a very good point. Why did you have to bring it up!

cogitech wrote:
Much appreciated

The last thing I need is to start the whole body/lens process over again.

Once you find a (good enough) magic bullet, why tempt fate?

Sep 19, 2008 at 06:48 PM

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p.7 #12 · It's out: Canon 5D II

cogitech wrote:
Tariq Gibran wrote:
Your right. Sorry. I can't imagine how Canon could make that claim given what the battery door and CF card slot look like. I'm in Florida and one week this month during a tropical storm, we had over 21" of rain in a few Days! Wonder if Canon would be willing to send me a 5DII so I could test their claim.

Tariq,

Forgive me if I am overstating the obvious here, but it seems to me that your hand would provide some extra protection around the CF slot door. Even if some trickles through your hand, the door is designed to withstand much more, according to Canon. Also, the battery door is on the bottom of the camera. Water obeys the laws of physics; it'll be pulled off the bottom of the camera by gravity much more readily than it will climb upwards, past the weather seals and into the body of the camera.

I think you'd get into trouble if you set the camera upside down and left it in the rain, otherwise...

I dunno, I've just heard a lot of stories about people who have taken their 5Ds and used them in light rain without any issue. The water-damage failures are almost always people who have tipped a canoe or something. I figure the 5D2 gives a bit more peace of mind, but we all still need to be as careful with the equipment as we are comfortable with. Bad things happen sometimes, regardless of how well sealed a body is.

I'd tend to agree. The 5D should handle rain just fine. It won't handle standing water, unlike the K10D (which is heavily sealed at the card and battery doors, IIRC the E-3 is the same way) but rain is not going to make that an issue.

I've shot with unsealed cameras in fairly heavy rain (including in rotor wash during rain with a Pentax *istD). Weather sealing on my K10D did make me more confident in the wet, but every DSLR I've owned has survived a fair bit of rain just fine (That includes at least 1 variant of every Pentax body except the K200D, the Canon 10D and the Nikon D50 and D300).

Sep 20, 2008 at 01:37 PM

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p.7 #13 · It's out: Canon 5D II

ziyadj wrote:
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Can you manually focus using the liveview. I have a 20D so don’t know how the liveview is used for manually focusing.

I guess if you were careful, and used the liveview for manual focusing and removed the lens before you turnoff the camera it may be possible to use some of the alternative lenses that have reported problems with mirror clearence on FF cameras. But I guess it may be a really cumbersome process.

With the big high-res displays and 10x zoom, Live View is FAR superior to a viewfinder for accurate focusing. It's like using a 6x9cm view camera with a really bright and toothy groundglass and built-in magnifier.

Sep 20, 2008 at 01:39 PM

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p.7 #14 · It's out: Canon 5D II

Thanks Mawz.

Can’t wait to try the new 5D Mark II. It has been trial an error with my 20D when it comes to manual focusing with alternative lenses.

I’m very curios about how the new feature of focusing with livelview without the mirror dropping will work with UWA alterative lenses. This hopefully will eliminate the need to shave the mirror.

Sep 20, 2008 at 01:54 PM

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p.7 #15 · It's out: Canon 5D II

Have you guys seen these sample pics for the new 5d Mark II

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08092001canoneos5dmarkiigallery.asp.

I am sure these photos would even be much better with alternative lenses especially wide angle.

Sep 20, 2008 at 02:09 PM

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p.7 #16 · It's out: Canon 5D II

ziyadj wrote:
Have you guys seen these sample pics for the new 5d Mark II

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08092001canoneos5dmarkiigallery.asp.

I am sure these photos would even be much better with alternative lenses especially wide angle.

Yes, a few raw samples with the Distagon 21 would be illuminating.

Sep 20, 2008 at 03:52 PM

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p.7 #17 · It's out: Canon 5D II

Those look extremely encouraging for jpegs. One can only imagine how good the raw images will look.

ziyadj wrote:
Have you guys seen these sample pics for the new 5d Mark II

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0809/08092001canoneos5dmarkiigallery.asp.

I am sure these photos would even be much better with alternative lenses especially wide angle.

Sep 20, 2008 at 04:17 PM

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p.7 #18 · It's out: Canon 5D II

Those look a little sloppy to me compared to the Sony images. Muddy color and soft corners.

Sep 20, 2008 at 05:03 PM

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p.7 #19 · It's out: Canon 5D II

Why are we talkiing about the Canon 5DII on the alternate forum anyway? This thread should be in the Canon forum!

Sep 20, 2008 at 05:10 PM

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p.7 #20 · It's out: Canon 5D II

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Why are we talkiing about the Canon 5DII on the alternate forum anyway? This thread should be in the Canon forum!

Because it's going to be the go-to body for all those Alt Lenses the moment it ships?

Heck, I'm a Nikon user with a collection of 3rd party and alt glass and the 5DmII looks interesting to me. Would be nice to be able to use my Contax and Yashica lenses on digital.

Sep 20, 2008 at 05:33 PM

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p.7 #21 · It's out: Canon 5D II

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Those look a little sloppy to me compared to the Sony images. Muddy color and soft corners.

I have to say I'm very positively impressed with Sony's colors that very much remind me of the Fujichrome Provia film. Soft corners are due of course to lenses?

But noise performance is absolutely amazing with the 5DII.

Sep 20, 2008 at 06:38 PM

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p.7 #22 · It's out: Canon 5D II

Just to put things in perspective, My 20 has been in light rain a handful of times, sprayed by the sea a handful of times and recently swamped in the front of my boat while sitting on the seat in between chase boat shots. It had a 70-200f4l on it. I was able to grab it very quickly, but it still got pretty wet. I turned it off, pulled the batteries, the grip and wiped it off the best I could. 5 minutes later I put a battery in it and it worked like it always has. IMO some people put to much stock in "weather sealing". Aside from the dunking incident, I fully expect any canon camera to survive light rain and similar things.

Oh and I'll be buying a 5dII

Sep 22, 2008 at 05:01 AM

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p.7 #23 · It's out: Canon 5D II

Chris Anthony wrote:
Just to put things in perspective, My 20 has been in light rain a handful of times, sprayed by the sea a handful of times and recently swamped in the front of my boat while sitting on the seat in between chase boat shots. It had a 70-200f4l on it. I was able to grab it very quickly, but it still got pretty wet. I turned it off, pulled the batteries, the grip and wiped it off the best I could. 5 minutes later I put a battery in it and it worked like it always has. IMO some people put to much stock in "weather sealing". Aside from the dunking incident, I fully expect any canon camera to survive light rain and similar things.

Oh and I'll be buying a 5dII

Agreed. I've even shot with my original DRebel 300D in rain with no ill effects. People are making far too much noise over the sealing...

One thing I'm surprised that nobody has been saying so far...is that it has the same pixel density of 20D/30D, which at the pixel level had similar noise levels to the 5D. Even with no technological advance, we should expect to see at least a stop worth noise advantage over the 12.8MP sensor. For that reason I've always hoped that we'd see a FF sensor with 21/22 MP. Here it is, and most of what I hear are complaints!

Sep 22, 2008 at 06:16 PM


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