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Archive 2008 · Zeiss ZE is for Canon!

  
 
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p.3 #1 · Zeiss ZE is for Canon!


edwardkaraa wrote:
All this is great news, but I want my aperture ring!!!! A Zeiss is not a Zeiss without an aperture ring


Good call. I usually find it awkward now to use the finger dial to change aperture. Having an aperture ring would would make the ZE lenses like N-mount lenses.



Sep 14, 2008 at 09:51 PM
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p.3 #2 · Zeiss ZE is for Canon!


rfkiii wrote:
Hopefully there will be a 21 version for ZF.


Yes, Rick, there will be, and it looks like it will be available before the ZE version by a few months. The news announcement actually shows the 21 in ZF mount.



Sep 14, 2008 at 09:53 PM
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p.3 #3 · Zeiss ZE is for Canon!


StevenPA wrote:
Good call. I usually find it awkward now to use the finger dial to change aperture. Having an aperture ring would would make the ZE lenses like N-mount lenses.


Now that you guys mention it, I must agree. Up until a certain aperture, it's better to focus using the actual f-stop you will shoot with. That's the one technical advantage of old MF lenses.

Like rfkiii, I'm starting to view the ZF's more fondly.

What a conundrum!



Sep 14, 2008 at 10:11 PM
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p.3 #4 · Zeiss ZE is for Canon!


What about just using the DOF preview?

Cableaddict wrote:
Now that you guys mention it, I must agree. Up until a certain aperture, it's better to focus using the actual f-stop you will shoot with. That's the one technical advantage of old MF lenses.

Like rfkiii, I'm starting to view the ZF's more fondly.

What a conundrum!




Sep 14, 2008 at 10:16 PM
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p.3 #5 · Zeiss ZE is for Canon!


Cableaddict wrote:
Up until a certain aperture, it's better to focus using the actual f-stop you will shoot with. That's the one technical advantage of old MF lenses.


Well, presumably, the lens wouldn't stop down at the ring is turned. You'd have to depress the DOF preview button for that. I'm assuming ZE lenses will work just like EF lenses with no AF.

Like rfkiii, I'm starting to view the ZF's more fondly.

What a conundrum!


The whole Nikon/Canon question is becoming very interesting now!



Sep 14, 2008 at 10:18 PM
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p.3 #6 · Zeiss ZE is for Canon!


cogitech wrote:
I'm glad I was correct about all this. I've eaten enough crow this year


And you won't have to give up your left nut at the same time!!!


Personally, I'm looking for an updated CZ 35/1.4 at some point in the future (or I can hope anyway.) It's a good day for Canon owners today with these announcements.



Sep 14, 2008 at 10:21 PM
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p.3 #7 · Zeiss ZE is for Canon!


edwardkaraa wrote:
All this is great news, but I want my aperture ring!!!! A Zeiss is not a Zeiss without an aperture ring


-1



Sep 14, 2008 at 10:40 PM
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p.3 #8 · Zeiss ZE is for Canon!


Tariq Gibran wrote:
What about just using the DOF preview?



I hate the DOF preview button. I use it about as much as the direct-to-print button.

I like to compose & focus WHILE seeing the true DOF. What can I tell you?




Sep 14, 2008 at 11:10 PM
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p.3 #9 · Zeiss ZE is for Canon!


We don't need no stinkin' aperture rings, hombre :


Sep 14, 2008 at 11:22 PM
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p.3 #10 · Zeiss ZE is for Canon!


Pixel Perfect wrote:
What chances a 100 macro but please 1:1 and a 28/35 TS-E would be to die for.


My CZ Makro Planar 100 f/2.8 is the only lens I wouldn't replace with the new ZE version, unless it has 1:1.

As for the rest, even without an aperture ring, I will be gradually replacing all CZ lenses that have an equivalent in ZE.

It's gonna be expensive, but we asked for it



Sep 14, 2008 at 11:35 PM
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p.3 #11 · Zeiss ZE is for Canon!


With or without aperture ring doesn't make any difference here. With auto-aperture stop-down, the lens would behave in the same way anyways. I just prefer to change the aperture on the lens like in the good old days rather than turning the wheel.

The problem with the DOF preview button is that it only works on pushed. Once you release the pressure, the aperture opens wide. I'm not sure if there is any way to make the DOF preview button close by one push, and open by another push.

Tariq Gibran wrote:
What about just using the DOF preview?





Sep 14, 2008 at 11:40 PM
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p.3 #12 · Zeiss ZE is for Canon!


Cableaddict wrote:
Now that you guys mention it, I must agree. Up until a certain aperture, it's better to focus using the actual f-stop you will shoot with. That's the one technical advantage of old MF lenses.

Like rfkiii, I'm starting to view the ZF's more fondly.

What a conundrum!


Actually no, even if the lens had an aperture ring, it wouldn't allow you to focus stopped down unless you keep on holding down the DOF preview button.

My preference for an aperture ring is because I find more instinctive. I, like Sreven, find it awkward to change aperture on the camera.



Sep 14, 2008 at 11:44 PM
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p.3 #13 · Zeiss ZE is for Canon!


edwardkaraa wrote:
With or without aperture ring doesn't make any difference here. With auto-aperture stop-down, the lens would behave in the same way anyways. I just prefer to change the aperture on the lens like in the good old days rather than turning the wheel.

The problem with the DOF preview button is that it only works on pushed. Once you release the pressure, the aperture opens wide. I'm not sure if there is any way to make the DOF preview button close by one push, and open by another push.




I've been using the DoF Preview button a bit and I like your idea about adding a setting where pressing the DoF Preview button keeps it at the aperture (even when you've depressed the button) and pressing it again will shoot it wide open again.



Sep 14, 2008 at 11:54 PM
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p.3 #14 · Zeiss ZE is for Canon!


After using adapted MF lenses exclusively for months, it's kind of a shock to use an AF lens in a mode other than Av, and all of a sudden realize that the photo I ended up taking has several times the depth-of-field more than what I was expecting. That, and poorer bokeh, from being stopped down.


Sep 15, 2008 at 12:19 AM
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p.3 #15 · Zeiss ZE is for Canon!


http://www.colorfoto.de/News/Carl-Zeiss-SLR-Objektive-_-Jetzt-auch-mit-EF-Bajonett_4488943.html

Durch den Informationsaustausch über elektrische Kontakte, den Zeiss jetzt nach Auslaufen einiger Canon-Patente nutzen darf, werden sämtliche Belichtungsmodi wie Programm-, Blenden-, Zeitautomatik und manuelle Einstellung unterstützt.

They say the reason, why Zeiss is doing the ZE mount now, is that some Canon patents have expired and Zeiss is allowed to use the electronic interface now.

Stefan



Sep 15, 2008 at 12:38 AM
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p.3 #16 · Zeiss ZE is for Canon!


Stefan Rohloff wrote:
http://www.colorfoto.de/News/Carl-Zeiss-SLR-Objektive-_-Jetzt-auch-mit-EF-Bajonett_4488943.html

They say the reason, why Zeiss is doing the ZE mount now, is that some Canon patents have expired and Zeiss is allowed to use the electronic interface now.

Stefan



Also from this article- They are re-activating the 21mm Distagon of Contax legend! First in ZF and ZK, later ZE.



Sep 15, 2008 at 01:33 AM
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p.3 #17 · Zeiss ZE is for Canon!


The new 21mm is not exactly the same as the old one. It has an extra element, and does not use the leaded glass.

Hopefully it will be an improvement, but time will tell.



Sep 15, 2008 at 02:08 AM
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p.3 #18 · Zeiss ZE is for Canon!


Auto aperture and EXIF are great, but given the fact that the new ZE would be 500EUR I think I will stick with my C/Y for a while. Same goes for the 85, the only interesting is the 21mm, but we will have to wait and see how it is doing against the C/Y version. But, let them come, I still have some C/Y lenses missing, so I hope prices on those will fall.



Sep 15, 2008 at 02:22 AM
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p.3 #19 · Zeiss ZE is for Canon!


As many here, I am very happy about this release, but am a bit sad about the price.
To me, the lack of an aperture ring is not that much of a problem, since I almost never used one.
That 50 and 21 look very good to me, but may be hard to justify for me at that price...



Sep 15, 2008 at 02:32 AM
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p.3 #20 · Zeiss ZE is for Canon!


slungu wrote:
Auto aperture and EXIF are great, but given the fact that the new ZE would be 500EUR I think I will stick with my C/Y for a while. Same goes for the 85, the only interesting is the 21mm, but we will have to wait and see how it is doing against the C/Y version. But, let them come, I still have some C/Y lenses missing, so I hope prices on those will fall.


As far as I understand, the prices are unverbindliche empfehlungspreise, or just recommended selling prices. The street prices imho should be very close to the ZF equivalents.



Sep 15, 2008 at 02:34 AM
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