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p.1 #1 · D700 fps boost


Can someone clarify a little how the D700 battery grip fps boost works? I know that if you have the battery grip your FPS jumps up to 8. But what I'm confused about is if you need the EN-EL4a battery instead of the normal 3e to get the additional fps. I think I read somewhere that the 4a was required for the speed boost.


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Sep 05, 2008 at 03:29 AM
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p.1 #2 · D700 fps boost


it works by supplying a higher battery voltage for higher power to the drive motors. that means any battery combination except the 3e is needed to get 8fps.

Herb...

Sep 05, 2008 at 03:37 AM
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p.1 #3 · D700 fps boost


either the EN-EL4a or AA's will work.... when I first got my D700 I tried it with just alkaline AA's and they gave me the 8fps... but didn't last very long at all.... rechargeable AA's are very good... I have 24 AA's so I can ALWAYS have 2 fully charged sets.... although I don't often have to dip into the second (of three) set even shooting a wedding...just have the third as an insurance policy....

Sep 05, 2008 at 03:41 AM
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p.1 #4 · D700 fps boost


AA's also work (and is a much cheaper way to do it)

Sep 05, 2008 at 03:41 AM
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p.1 #5 · D700 fps boost


Bummer. Jacks up the price quite a bit for a 4a if you don't own one. 100+ for the battery and 100+ for the charger.

Thanks for the info guys

Sep 05, 2008 at 03:53 AM
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p.1 #6 · D700 fps boost


crewshin wrote:
Bummer. Jacks up the price quite a bit for a 4a if you don't own one. 100+ for the battery and 100+ for the charger.

Thanks for the info guys


im tellin ya, get the 2900mAh Pearstone batterys from BHphotovideo, you wont regret it. $40 and you get 2500 shots plus the extra FPS. For me it was a no brainer.

Sep 05, 2008 at 03:56 AM
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p.1 #7 · D700 fps boost


The rechargeable AA's are phenomenal in these cameras. At a recent week-long event, I finally had the chance to see what they'd do since I shot nearly 20,000 images that week.

Short answer: with 8 Energizer 2500 mAh AA batteries in the grip, I get about 5,000 to 5,600 shots from a fresh full charge. Unless the camera comes with -EL4a batteries from the factory, I'm sticking to AA's in the grip for the D300/D700.

Sep 05, 2008 at 03:49 PM
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p.1 #8 · D700 fps boost


Rodolfo Paiz wrote:
The rechargeable AA's are phenomenal in these cameras. At a recent week-long event, I finally had the chance to see what they'd do since I shot nearly 20,000 images that week.

Short answer: with 8 Energizer 2500 mAh AA batteries in the grip, I get about 5,000 to 5,600 shots from a fresh full charge. Unless the camera comes with -EL4a batteries from the factory, I'm sticking to AA's in the grip for the D300/D700.



Good to hear. I'm going to see the Blue Angels this weekend with a D300 w/ grip, 16 Maha 2700mHh AA batteries, a 70-200VR and a 1.7TC. Wish me luck.

Sep 05, 2008 at 03:57 PM
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p.1 #9 · D700 fps boost


Charge your AA's fresh the night before you go. They do lose a little charge, so if it's been a week or two since they were charged you'll get less out of them. "Less" is still a lot, though.

How do you have your AF set up for the airshow?

Sep 05, 2008 at 04:06 PM
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p.1 #10 · D700 fps boost


The D700 user manual states that the EL-4 is required to get 8 fps, AA's will not work for this.

Also, you can set the function button and use the bracketing to get 8 fps, I use it all the time successfully with my D300, the instructions are in teh forum somewhere

Joe

Sep 05, 2008 at 04:13 PM
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p.1 #11 · D700 fps boost


Joe, do you have any proof that "AA's will not work"? It's the same grip (MB-D10) in both cameras. And once it leaves the grip and goes into the camera, it's just electricity... all that matters is the voltage and amperage. I see no reason why the D700 would not work with AA's just like the D300 does.

Sep 05, 2008 at 04:21 PM
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p.1 #12 · D700 fps boost


I stand corrected, the manual had stated the EL4 was required, now it does not.

"3) Continuous High-speed [CH] mode: 1-5fps (EN-EL3e); 1-8fps (MB-D10 w/EN-EL-4/4a or AA batteries / EH-5/5a AC adapter) "

http://support.nikontech.com/cgi-bin/nikonusa.cfg/php/enduser/popup_adp.php?p_sid=undefined&p_lva=undefined&p_li=undefined&p_faqid=15995&p_created=1217363871&p_sp=undefined


If I can find the original post I will include it later


Joe




Sep 05, 2008 at 04:22 PM
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p.1 #13 · D700 fps boost


Rodolfo, that was the assumption, that since the D300 did not need the EL4 then the D700 also does not. However, I did read that the EL4 was required IN THE D700 to get the 8 fps, and am actively looking for that link now

Joe

Sep 05, 2008 at 04:23 PM
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p.1 #14 · D700 fps boost


I have been using energizer 2500 mah in my d300 with good results but usually only get about 1000-1300 shots with fresh batteries. I have a ton of them so it is not a issue but I am still thinking about getting the nikon battery for the grip just to be safe on long shoots. I do shot sports and have a very heavy trigger finger. If you do not need the extra $220 expense stick with the rechargeable aa's.

Sep 05, 2008 at 04:29 PM
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p.1 #15 · D700 fps boost


Rodolfo Paiz wrote:
Charge your AA's fresh the night before you go. They do lose a little charge, so if it's been a week or two since they were charged you'll get less out of them. "Less" is still a lot, though.

How do you have your AF set up for the airshow?



Most of my experience is with sports, so I was going to start there:

-- AF-C
-- 21 point dynamic with the center point as the starting point.
-- Focus limiter set to 2.5m-inf on the lens.
-- Continous-high for frame rate
-- WB set to auto with +- adjustments to suit my tastes.
-- exposure to be set manually. I suspect if the weather is nice, f/8 should work since the sky is the backdrop.

Got any recomendations?

Sep 05, 2008 at 04:36 PM
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p.1 #16 · D700 fps boost


This issue was also discussed at http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/679012/0?keyword=d700,8,fps#6074417

Joe

Sep 05, 2008 at 04:36 PM
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p.1 #17 · D700 fps boost


here are some instruction to get 8 fps with the EL3 battery, also works with the D300 - I use it all the time. To get another 9 frames at 8 fps, just release the shutter then re-engage. I also used the grip with the EL3 and it works as well.

http://www.nikonwatch.com/2008/08/08/get-8-fps-frames-per-second-on-your-d700-without-the-battery-grip/

Joe

Sep 05, 2008 at 04:40 PM
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p.1 #18 · D700 fps boost


Cool idea but not exactly practical in real world situations. Not to mention, it only gives you 8 frames total.

Sep 07, 2008 at 06:55 AM
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p.1 #19 · D700 fps boost


Andre Labonte wrote:
I'm going to see the Blue Angels this weekend with a D300 w/ grip, 16 Maha 2700mHh AA batteries, a 70-200VR and a 1.7TC. Wish me luck.


Good luck!

Andre Labonte wrote:
Most of my experience is with sports, so I was going to start there:

-- AF-C
-- 21 point dynamic with the center point as the starting point.
-- Focus limiter set to 2.5m-inf on the lens.
-- Continous-high for frame rate
-- WB set to auto with +- adjustments to suit my tastes.
-- exposure to be set manually. I suspect if the weather is nice, f/8 should work since the sky is the backdrop.

Got any recomendations?


Given your background in sports, you're already pretty well set. That combo will give you f/4.8 as a max aperture, and it's still plenty sharp. Plus, your settings are darn good already. I think I'd only make these general comments:

1. On the jets, use Aperture priority and set it wide. Feel free to use the f/4.8, or stop down to f/5.6 if you're worried about ultimate sharpness. But you want the fastest bloody shutter speed you can get, so open wide and say "aaahhh". Don't bother to set the exposure manually... too much change as airplanes sweep the sky, clouds come and go, sun angles change, afterburners get lit, and so on. You'll be busy tracking them.

2. For prop-driven planes, setup #1 above is a disaster. You'll get stopped props, which just look stupid later. Move to Shutter priority, set the speed to 1/200 at most, and that'll get you enough prop blur to make the image look right. For a full, round prop disc, you need to be at 1/100 or 1/80... but I warn you, the keeper rate goes straight to hell, no detours. So I say, use 1/200 and be happy with it.

3. People keep telling me that using two modes is too complicated. Baloney... set up your S settings and your A settings beforehand, and then going from jets to props and back is a one-click operation. But do set things up beforehand, you'll get very little rest during the actual show.

4. Panning is critical. Panning is critical. Did I mention how critical panning is? Even on jets, you can get 1/1000 sometimes but the thing is going 600 mph on a fast pass, which means it moves forward almost a full foot (10.6 inches actually) in that one-thousandth. And that's enough to blur your shot just enough to matter. Some of the propeller-driven planes can rotate over 400 degrees per second, too, so even at 1/200 they've rotated two degrees; and I know that sounds like nothing, but on an 18-foot wingspan it means the tips moved up or down by a good 7 inches... again, enough to matter.

5. Just a reminder... panning is critical.

6. Takeoffs and landings are great times to pan with extra-slow motion, even for the jets, to get some great motion blur in the background. Shots of an aircraft just a few inches off the deck always get a good review from the crowd. Go down to 1/80 or 1/100 for those, and see what you get.

7. People underestimate just how hot it is out there for 4-6 hours. Sunblock, hat, water, gatorade, the works.

8. Use VR at your discretion... you already know what it's like to shoot fast-moving objects. Some say to use VR on "normal" for the props and "off" for the jets. I just leave it on "normal" all the time.

9. Don't waste buffer capacity on airplanes that are just too far to be more than a small bug in the final print. You'll be tempted to shoot them, but realize that there's a max range beyond which they're fun to watch but the images don't come out that way.

10. It's hard to show the action, adrenaline, and excitement of single airplanes in aerobatic competititons. What you have is an airplane against blue sky, and in the photo you can't see the wild hijinks the guy/gal was doing. So make sure you show aircraft turning, or keep some of the smoke trail in the shot to show motion, or something. You'll see what I mean when you get back.

11. Teams are much more fun. No matter what they're doing, the close formation makes for dynamic tension in the shot.

12. I like to use a polarizer all the time, twisted so that its max effect (perpendicular to the sun) won't be overpowering. But at all angles, it'll give you some benefit... removing some glare and giving you better saturation of colors. Unless you get careless with it and just overpolarize the crap out of the sky, it'll never hurt you.

13. Check out the "Mustangs Air-to-Air" thread in the Still Life forum. That's where all us "wing nuts" hang out, and there's some of the best aviation photography on the planet represented in that thread. No joke.

Hope I haven't forgotten anything, and I hope some of it's useful to you!

Sep 07, 2008 at 08:05 AM
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p.1 #20 · D700 fps boost


Wait... I just realized it's now Saturday night. So you've shot an entire day already, and you've got one to go, and you may or may not have Internet access before then. So there's pretty decent odds that I saw this too late for it to matter.

Oh well... the Internet lives forever, so hopefully it'll be of use to someone. With really good luck, you decide to check FM before you go out today.

Sep 07, 2008 at 08:08 AM
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p.1 #21 · D700 fps boost


Rodolfo,

I surprised that you didn't say much about panning

Sep 07, 2008 at 12:51 PM
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p.1 #22 · D700 fps boost


Crewshin, why is this cheap solution not practical in the real world? I use it all the time in the field. Sure, you only get 9 shots at 8 fps, but many times that is a sufficient sequence. If you need to max th ebuffer then the buffer upgrade for the D3 would increase the sequence, but then this post would be irrelevant

Rodolfo, great tips, especially about the 1/250 for prop planes and "5. Just a reminder... panning is critical".


Joe

Sep 07, 2008 at 02:17 PM

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