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p.1 #1 · NX2 vs Lightroom


Aside from workflow, can anyone share some hands-on experience comparing the output of these in terms of RAW conversion?

Does anyone know of any reviews online comparing NX2 vs. Lightroom?

Thanks,

Mark

Aug 07, 2008 at 05:18 AM
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p.1 #2 · NX2 vs Lightroom


i don't know of any reviews but NX2 beats the crap out of LR for raw processing. Not even remotely a contest

Aug 07, 2008 at 10:41 AM
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p.1 #3 · NX2 vs Lightroom


NX2 used to beat LR but I wonder if that's still true. LR was just upgraded to version 2.0 and they added the ability to change color profiles (it's a separate download right now).

The new profiles really help the color from LR. It may be time to compare output from the two again if you haven't in a while.

Aug 07, 2008 at 10:46 AM
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p.1 #4 · NX2 vs Lightroom


Using both from time to time here.

What is good about Nx2 is the handling of the file at higher ISO's and when you want your DR bumped with out brain strain. (my experience is subjective of course)

What is good about LR2 is the speed and organization of the files, the simpler format, the rendering of lower iso shots (most of them) is also comparable to Nx2, the extended abilities to vignette, heal and so many other little things. Faster keystrokes is also a big one for me.

In conclusion, LR2 is for me the clear winner in most cases of bulk work. Nx2 is the clear winner if you need the best NR and DR from a file.



Aug 07, 2008 at 11:26 AM
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p.1 #5 · NX2 vs Lightroom


Exactly what David said. I still use 1.4NX version and find the colors more accurate/pleasing, at least for landscape work. I was a big fan of C1Pro but do not want to pay for their upgrades anymore.

Aug 07, 2008 at 12:58 PM
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p.1 #6 · NX2 vs Lightroom


I am using LR2, NX2, and Capture 4. LR2 with the new camera profiles is still not even close enough when compared to the incredible color rendition from NX2 and C4--especially golden-hour lit subjects or even flames from a car fire.

One can tweak LR2 images for ages -- then one can be blown away by just opening the file in NX2 or C4 with none/minor adjustments.

I use LR2 for assignments I have to process and distribute urgently.

I am using C4(latest version crashes a lot) for assignments that a lot of yellowish/reddish tones. I like the batch processing speed.

I am using NX2 less as the workflow and interface is too slow. I will use it for individual images that require special processing.


Aug 07, 2008 at 02:15 PM
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p.1 #7 · NX2 vs Lightroom


even NX 1 is better than LR2. more details, better clarity . the differences is not huge, but it's there, depend on how you scrutinize the image. also, subject matters too. One who shoot portraits might think differently to a landscape shooter.


Aug 07, 2008 at 02:50 PM
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p.1 #8 · NX2 vs Lightroom


> don't know of any reviews but NX2 beats the crap out of LR for raw processing. Not even remotely a contest

The ONLY thing NX2 ever did better than LR 1.4 was rendering reds. In all other respects, LR 1.4 was superior. And with LR 2.0, even the red issue is gone. How anyone can prefer an abortion like NX2 is beyond me.

Edited on Aug 07, 2008 at 02:54 PM


Aug 07, 2008 at 02:51 PM
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p.1 #9 · NX2 vs Lightroom


Mort54 wrote:
> don't know of any reviews but NX2 beats the crap out of LR for raw processing. Not even remotely a contest

The ONLY thing NX2 ever did better than LR 1.4 was rendering reds. In all other respects, LR 1.4 was superior. And with LR 2.0, even the red issue is gone. How anyone can prefer an abortion like NX2 is beyond me.


Wow, what deeply insightful comments, and rubbish as well....

Out of the box, NX2 renders color more accurately, automatically corrects for CA, renders your images exactly according to your in-camera settings (contrast, sharpening, saturation, color mode/space, white balance, et al). Lightroom starts with reading white balance, then it's up to you from there.

I would suggest taking the time to learn the software before completely trashing NX2, and anyone that's using it. I've processed several hundred images with NX2 in the last week. It's uber powerful and fast on my machine, and delivers a tremendous quality image.

So, I wouldn't say "the ONLY thing NX2 ever did batter than LR 1.4 was rendering reds" .....

Aug 07, 2008 at 03:33 PM
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p.1 #10 · NX2 vs Lightroom


that's why i use Lightroom.

Herb....

Jack OBrien wrote:
Out of the box, NX2 renders color more accurately, automatically corrects for CA, renders your images exactly according to your in-camera settings (contrast, sharpening, saturation, color mode/space, white balance, et al). Lightroom starts with reading white balance, then it's up to you from there.



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HerbChong wrote:
that's why i use Lightroom.

Herb....

Jack OBrien wrote:
Out of the box, NX2 renders color more accurately, automatically corrects for CA, renders your images exactly according to your in-camera settings (contrast, sharpening, saturation, color mode/space, white balance, et al). Lightroom starts with reading white balance, then it's up to you from there.



Horses for courses...... that doesn't make Lightroom better

Aug 07, 2008 at 04:17 PM
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p.1 #12 · NX2 vs Lightroom


the better tool is the one that does what i want, when i want, how i want. NX mostly doesn't. that makes it worse.

Herb....

Edited on Aug 07, 2008 at 04:44 PM


Aug 07, 2008 at 04:41 PM
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p.1 #13 · NX2 vs Lightroom


yeah I'm super bummed.

NX makes my files look like they are supposed to.

I do a lot of portrait work, and I find myself shooting raw only to convert everything using NX to JPEG and then loading it on lightroom and doing my adjustments quickly, and then going to print.

I love the d300. Honestly the files out of that camera in JPEG alone work for what I do.

Im incredibly stoked on it. I'd be tempted to shoot just jpeg for some types of paid shoots, but I still shoot raw just in case I get something I really want to work on.

I wish NX would have the editing layout of ACR. If it was anything like it I would be sooo stoked!

Aug 07, 2008 at 04:48 PM
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p.1 #14 · NX2 vs Lightroom


HerbChong wrote:
the better tool is the one that does what i want, when i want, how i want. NX mostly doesn't. that makes it worse.

Herb....


Exactly. NX does what I want, when I want, how I want, that makes it better. The fact that I can configure shooting banks in my camera, switch between them as needed, and have NX2 see that and process my images accordingly is an invaluable feature. Lightroom wouldn't have a clue how to get started. Of course, one click and I can 'dumb down' NX2 to equal Lightroom. NX2 is so much more 'in tune' with my cameras.

But that's just my humble opinion, I'll just bow out....

Aug 07, 2008 at 04:52 PM
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p.1 #15 · NX2 vs Lightroom


khguitar098 wrote:
I wish NX would have the editing layout of ACR. If it was anything like it I would be sooo stoked!


Look at the Workspaces in NX2 and how you can configure them. You may be surprised.

Aug 07, 2008 at 04:53 PM
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p.1 #16 · NX2 vs Lightroom


I have not used NX2. Just NX1.

how much better is NX2 in getting stuff done?

Aug 07, 2008 at 04:54 PM
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p.1 #17 · NX2 vs Lightroom


Threads like these are a joke. It's like debating Canon vs Nikon, PC vs Mac, or iPhone vs Blackberry. Most people's opinions are based on brand loyalty instead of objective testing. And they tend to favor the software they're used to.

One thing a lot of people overlook, or don't realize, or simply choose to ignore, is that LR (and Photoshop ACR) only apply Nikon's WB tag in their default RAW conversion. A NEF opened with only the default settings is a drab thing indeed. Things like camera settings for saturation, or vibrance, or contrast, have to be applied by the user in post processing. With a few seconds of work applying various adjustments in LR, however, I can make my images look as good, and often better, than I can with NX2 (with the exception of reds, as I mentioned above, and LR 2 fixed that issue). So from my testing, I judge the RAW conversions to be roughly comparable.

The big difference, however, is in speed and useability, and here NX2 is appallingly bad. LR is several generations ahead in useability and speed (in fact, there's really no comparison in these categories).

Edited on Aug 07, 2008 at 05:53 PM


Aug 07, 2008 at 05:51 PM
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p.1 #18 · NX2 vs Lightroom


With anything good there is a learning curve. NX2 nails everything perfectly if you are willing to learn how to use it. The NEW! Shadow/Highlight Adjustment alone is invaluable. With just a simple slider adjustment you can easily open up shadows or recover blown-out highlights. This combo with my D3 is deadly. This month I plan to dive deeper into NX2. Theres a bit of homework to do to be rewarded with this new software There are just too many ways to use this software. It's deep and filled with faster ways of editing. You have to work a bit to be rewarded, If your not open to a whole new kinda work flow then you will have negitive input. I was this way at first with NX and have now learned to take a new approch toward NX2. If you want 100% quality NX2 is the only way to go. It also helps to own a Quadcore with extra RAM. NX2 was designed for my PC. I used LIghtroom for a while and it is pretty cool but not even close to what NX2 offers. The critical part about NX2 is fully learning how to apply all that it offers. Im not sure where the "slow" part comes from. I can rip through thousands of images in a few hours and most of this I do away from my PC. Ya gotta learn how ta us this software to fully appreciate it.


Edited by Christian S on Aug 07, 2008 at 10:10 AM GMT

Edited on Aug 07, 2008 at 06:10 PM


Aug 07, 2008 at 06:02 PM
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p.1 #19 · NX2 vs Lightroom


"I love the d300. Honestly the files out of that camera in JPEG alone work for what I do.

Im incredibly stoked on it. I'd be tempted to shoot just jpeg for some types of paid shoots, but I still shoot raw just in case I get something I really want to work on."



I couldn't agree w/ you more on this. I also shoot w/ the D300 and find myself wondering why I'm using up disk space (and more importantly processor power) to shoot RAW. Especially in light of the fact that all LR2 edits are non-destructive anyway.

People will say time and time again that disk space is cheap... I know that, but I like my post-process to be fast, very fast. Using LR2 w/ the highest quality JPEGS on my iMac is a pleasure (as opposed to NEFs or DNGs).

2 things though:
1) I like to spend more time behind the camera than behind the computer.
2) I don't do this for a living.

Thanks-
Dan



Aug 07, 2008 at 06:08 PM
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p.1 #20 · NX2 vs Lightroom


/Beginning of Joke
Mort54 wrote:
Threads like these are a joke. It's like debating Canon vs Nikon, PC vs Mac, or iPhone vs Blackberry. Most people's opinions are based on brand loyalty instead of objective testing. And they tend to favor the software they're used to.

One thing a lot of people overlook, or don't realize, or simply choose to ignore, is that LR (and Photoshop ACR) only apply Nikon's WB tag in their default RAW conversion. A NEF opened with only the default settings is a drab thing indeed. Things like camera settings for saturation, or vibrance, or contrast, have to be applied by the user in post processing. With a few seconds of work applying various adjustments in LR, however, I can make my images look as good, and often better, than I can with NX2 (with the exception of reds, as I mentioned above, and LR 2 fixed that issue). So from my testing, I judge the RAW conversions to be roughly comparable.

The big difference, however, is in speed and useability, and here NX2 is appallingly bad. LR is several generations ahead in useability and speed (in fact, there's really no comparison in these categories).


It sounds like your brand loyalty is shining through. Your own statement "With a few seconds of work applying various adjustments in LR, however, I can make my images look as good, and often better, than I can with NX2" makes no sense in light of the fact that I don't have to adjust squat in NX2 and my images already look good. I don't want "roughly comparable", I want the best IQ. You're partial to LightRoom, and you've fallen subject to your own criticism of other people "they tend to favor the software they're used to". You're obviously not used to NX2. Statements like "NX2 is appallingly bad" in "speed and useability" are disingenuous at best. On my computer both are about equally fast, and NX2 is very much usable, with nearly 1000 images processed in this last week.


FWIW, I have purchased and use or have used CS3, LightRoom, BibblePro, Capture 4.4, Capture NX, and Capture NX2. My statements aren't "brand loyalty instead of objective testing".

You're throwing out a lot of opinion, so don't take it so hard when everyone doesn't swallow it as fact.

/End of Joke

Aug 07, 2008 at 06:23 PM
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