Fred, do you have control of your forum, or do you let someone else make decisions for you?
Three times this week (including today) my posts addressing issues and questions from your members have simply been deleted. (I assume this one will be also).
I have been very careful to faithfully follow your rules and members have expressed their appreciation for my comments, entirely technical and never commercial or provocative.
I ask you to do one of two things: Either tell your moderator(s) to follow the posting rules themselves or, if you simply have a bias against me, ask me to cease posting here.
Members, why not give Fred your opinion - I don't need to waste my time here if it's not welcome. I have remained here because of the polite legitimacy on FM Forum in the past. FM's current actions are, in my opinion, impolite and disrespectful to the members and to myself as an industry leader.
Paul's comments always seem technical and helpful. Is Paul speaking the truth regarding his postings being deleted? If so, what is the reason for deleting his posts?
IMO, Paul's willingness to post here and answer questions is an asset to the forum.
I'd say if Paul goes, then Henry from B&H is also gone, too. Nothing against Henry, but at least Paul doesn't use a business logo for his avatar.
Having said all that, Paul, I would suggest you take this matter up with Fred via PM or email. IMO, that's a much more effective avenue for something like this.
"I have been very careful to faithfully follow your rules and members have expressed their appreciation for my comments, entirely technical and never commercial or provocative."
He speaks the truth. As a working Pro I value his opinion and would like him to be able to post here.
Scott Sewell wrote:
IMO, Paul's willingness to post here and answer questions is an asset to the forum.
I'd say if Paul goes, then Henry from B&H is also gone, too. Nothing against Henry, but at least Paul doesn't use a business logo for his avatar.
Having said all that, Paul, I would suggest you take this matter up with Fred via PM or email. IMO, that's a much more effective avenue for something like this.
Already did that and got no response. That's the reason for broadcasting it here. I have reposted two or three of the deleted posts and they remain.
I agree Paul has conducted himself in a proper manner. I think it is a valuable resource to have his expertise available for discussion on details of lighting and function. Most of all to clarify specs and abilities of lighting equipment, It's not often you have the resource of a designer, engineer and manufacturer offer assistance with detail to the end user.
Looks like someone with the id, "guardian", moderates this forum. If I read it right, he/she has only 146 posts on FM Hard to believe. If Fred isn't responding, maybe the mod will.
For my part, I REALLY APPRECIATE Paul Buff's responses to my questions and his answers to other FMer's questions have been very helpful to me, too. Paul Buff Company's lights are really popular so this has been useful to a lot of people on FM. His absence would be a real loss to the forum and his posts being deleted will offend a lot of people.
Edited by Brian Lingle on Jul 17, 2008 at 10:02 PM GMT
Thanks, Fred. I'm glad to hear that. Sorry if I made false assumptions. I really appreciate what you've done with creating and perpetuating this forum.
Fred Miranda wrote:
Guardian and I have not deleted any of your posts. Are you sure they were deleted?
Fred
Fred, I appreciate your response and have always respected how you conduct your forum. Yes I'm sure the posts disappeared. There were four or five of them. I have reposted a couple of them and they seemed to have stayed this time, so far. I did send a personal email about this a couple of weeks back and got no response and some posts disappeared after that.
One of the posts was very lengthy and addressed questions about sync speeds and how SLRs work and why black bars occur. I did not repost that one because it would have taken too much of my very valuable time to recreate. I could have done this with a simply link to my site's technical info, but didn't since this violates the understandable forum rules.
Water under the bridge. All I'm here for is to offer technical knowledge. If you wish to delete this entire thread and go from there I'm OK with that - I don't hold grudges or have vendettas.
I left that decision to FM. How would it look if I had made the post then deleted it after 200 views? People would blame Fred and say he deleted it because of whatever. No war here.
Paul Buff wrote:
Fred, do you have control of your forum, or do you let someone else make decisions for you?
Three times this week (including today) my posts addressing issues and questions from your members have simply been deleted. (I assume this one will be also).
I have been very careful to faithfully follow your rules and members have expressed their appreciation for my comments, entirely technical and never commercial or provocative.
I ask you to do one of two things: Either tell your moderator(s) to follow the posting rules themselves or, if you simply have a bias against me, ask me to cease posting here.
Members, why not give Fred your opinion - I don't need to waste my time here if it's not welcome. I have remained here because of the polite legitimacy on FM Forum in the past. FM's current actions are, in my opinion, impolite and disrespectful to the members and to myself as an industry leader....Show more →
I think it is really in bad form to post a complaint like this without first going to Fred in a PM. If not returned, send another one...other people get busy sometimes, imagine that. Plus it turns out to be wrong, or at least unexplained, either way, airing your dirty laundry in public is tacky at best...and the whole thing stikes me as childish. Calling on members to support your posting? Good grief. Please feel free to not "waste your time." Maybe we can issue thank-you cards when we get our allotment of special posts. Sheesh.
I recently saw an entire page of posts (some of them mine) on a topic I'd started disappear recently, effectively setting back that thread a day or two. Personally, I attributed it to bugs in the forum code, not a vendetta against me.
MSC,
If you look at Pauls second post you will see he already tried contacting Fred behind the scenes.
On to the original subject:
I have no idea if his posts have been deleted or if there has been some forum bugs but I have noticed Pauls lack of presence. I have always found Pauls posts to be very useful, well written, and informative.
FM in my opinion is the best photography board I've found and it is because of people like Paul, Cgardner, Simon, and others, who are so willing to freely share their experience and knowledge. I certainly hope it can continue unfettered.
I think Paul did everything correctly to address this. A PM/e-mail to Fred and then a post after a few weeks without a response.
Paul - we appreciate you and hope that you stay. Lets hope maybe there was some sort of glitch that deleted your posts and not some moderator with an agenda. We appreciate you being here.
Paul Buff wrote:
Fred, I appreciate your response and have always respected how you conduct your forum. Yes I'm sure the posts disappeared. There were four or five of them. I have reposted a couple of them and they seemed to have stayed this time, so far. I did send a personal email about this a couple of weeks back and got no response and some posts disappeared after that.
One of the posts was very lengthy and addressed questions about sync speeds and how SLRs work and why black bars occur. I did not repost that one because it would have taken too much of my very valuable time to recreate. I could have done this with a simply link to my site's technical info, but didn't since this violates the understandable forum rules.
Water under the bridge. All I'm here for is to offer technical knowledge. If you wish to delete this entire thread and go from there I'm OK with that - I don't hold grudges or have vendettas.
Littlebike wrote:
MSC,
If you look at Pauls second post you will see he already tried contacting Fred behind the scenes.
On to the original subject:
I have no idea if his posts have been deleted or if there has been some forum bugs but I have noticed Pauls lack of presence. I have always found Pauls posts to be very useful, well written, and informative.
FM in my opinion is the best photography board I've found and it is because of people like Paul, Cgardner, Simon, and others, who are so willing to freely share their experience and knowledge. I certainly hope it can continue unfettered. ...Show more →
"If you look at Pauls second post you will see he already tried contacting Fred behind the scenes."
...if you look at what I actually wrote, you will see I addressed this. And I find how this was handled to be too much. And I'm far more interested in supporting Fred than Paul. Fred has been outstanding over a long time. To me, his behavior is civil and professional, and consistant. I'm not going to gang up with someone that feels dissed and wounded and start some kind of public campaign against the owner and founder of FM...and that based on an suspect premise and a wounded ego.
Think about it...would Fred go in a willy-nilly just start deleting threads? Or does he have some personal thing against Paul? You think you he would not tell someone if he were deleting threads? Would it not be FAR more likely that with all the changes to the code here on FM improving the system, something ELSE happened?
And you miss the point entirely. This is not about the knowledge from others.
Hard to believe. If Fred isn't responding, maybe the mod will.
