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p.1 #1 · D700 and 5D, not really FF?

Since the viewfinder doesn`t have 100% coverage (95%), doesn`t that make them both a kind of Crops (1,05) in "real life"? I know their sensor are "FF", but........

I know, it`s a small difference, but it`s still there. 85mm won`t work as a 85mm, I`ve got to move backward with D700/5D compared with D3/1DsMKII.

I don`t like to crop in photoshop.

I want a FF with 100% coverage in a D700/5D body

Jul 05, 2008 at 10:12 AM

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p.1 #2 · D700 and 5D, not really FF?

I'm afraid this is above my head. Why should you have to crop in Photoshop because you're not seeing the extreme edges of the recorded image in the viewfinder?! You just have to factor that into your initial composition. And why on earth should that change the actual field of view of an 85mm lens on a 35mm sensor? Pls explain

Jul 05, 2008 at 10:55 AM

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p.1 #3 · D700 and 5D, not really FF?

Coverage is 100%, you "only" see 95% thru the viewfinder.

If this is all what you're worrying about you can get in line for a D700

Jul 05, 2008 at 10:58 AM

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p.1 #4 · D700 and 5D, not really FF?

Richard.P wrote:
I'm afraid this is above my head. Why should you have to crop in Photoshop because you're not seeing the extreme edges of the recorded image in the viewfinder?! You just have to factor that into your initial composition. And why on earth should that change the actual field of view of an 85mm lens on a 35mm sensor? Pls explain

It`s probably over my head as well :-).

Yes, I have to crop in PS because I don`t want what`s outside my initial composition. It`s difficult, and should not be necessary, to factor the extreme edges all the time.

When I`m using a 85mm on a FF I get ex. all of the body in the viewfinder, take the picture. What I get...all the body.

When I`m using a 85mm on a camera that shows me only 95%, I will not se all of the body from the same distance. I have to move back a little (yes, I know, it`s a small difference) in order to se all of the body.

Since I have to move back a little it will change the field of view, won`t it?

Since the distance to the object will increase, the dof will also be different, won`t it?

I`m not saying this is the fact, I`m wondering.

Frode

Jul 05, 2008 at 11:10 AM

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p.1 #5 · D700 and 5D, not really FF?

Chris Dees wrote:
Coverage is 100%, you "only" see 95% thru the viewfinder.

If this is all what you're worrying about you can get in line for a D700

Yes, I know that the sensor covers 100%, but I only see 95%. Therefore I don`t actually see what`s captured...

I must say, I`m REALLY interesting in the D700!

It`s just that I like to take portraits (people) and sometimes I like to have little dof. That`s why I`m asking these stupid questions :-).

Jul 05, 2008 at 11:13 AM

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p.1 #6 · D700 and 5D, not really FF?

The 95% VF may be a hold-over from the days when 35mm slide film covers overlapped the edges of the image, so the VF image matched THAT.

Jul 05, 2008 at 11:30 AM

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p.1 #7 · D700 and 5D, not really FF?

I guess from my perspective, my composition in the veiwfinder is a rough estimate anyway. I always adjust (crop) composition in pp even if it's ever so slightly and expect to do so with most of my shots. I use a d300 @ 1.5 crop and the 85mm / f1.8 is one of favorites.
I just try to get close with the camera and adjust as needed in pp

Jul 05, 2008 at 11:34 AM

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p.1 #8 · D700 and 5D, not really FF?

fcobb wrote:
I guess from my perspective, my composition in the veiwfinder is a rough estimate anyway. I always adjust (crop) composition in pp even if it's ever so slightly and expect to do so with most of my shots. I use a d300 @ 1.5 crop and the 85mm / f1.8 is one of favorites.
I just try to get close with the camera and adjust as needed in pp

I like to finish my composition "in the viewfinder". But if your composition in the viewfinder is a rough estimate, then I think you don`t have anything to worry about.

Jul 05, 2008 at 11:58 AM

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p.1 #9 · D700 and 5D, not really FF?

Unless you've been bothered by this issue before, I'd say don't worry too much. Using an S3, which didn't have a 100% viewfinder either, I never had a problem with a few extra pixels around the edges. Just get that D700 and don't look back

Jul 05, 2008 at 12:57 PM

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p.1 #10 · D700 and 5D, not really FF?

Richard.P wrote:
Unless you've been bothered by this issue before, I'd say don't worry too much. Using an S3, which didn't have a 100% viewfinder either, I never had a problem with a few extra pixels around the edges. Just get that D700 and don't look back

I`m VERY close in getting one :-)

Jul 05, 2008 at 12:59 PM

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p.1 #11 · D700 and 5D, not really FF?

Uh oh, if you always crop 95% to correspond to the viewfinder... You aren't getting the whole 12.1 megapixels either!!!! Egads!!

Jul 05, 2008 at 01:19 PM

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p.1 #12 · D700 and 5D, not really FF?

According to your logic you would have to crop with all bodies that don't have 100% viefinder, which includes most film bodies as well. Don't worry, you'll get used to it.

Jul 05, 2008 at 01:21 PM

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p.1 #13 · D700 and 5D, not really FF?

So, your definition of FF includes that the viewfinder has got to be 100%? Ok.

I guess that begs the question, why not consider a D3?

Jul 05, 2008 at 01:23 PM

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p.1 #14 · D700 and 5D, not really FF?

SAng wrote:
So, your definition of FF includes that the viewfinder has got to be 100%? Ok.

I guess that begs the question, why not consider a D3?

I would like my coming FF to have a 100% viewfinder. Maybe I`ll manage with a D700... D3 is to big and to expensive for the moment.

Jul 05, 2008 at 01:39 PM

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p.1 #15 · D700 and 5D, not really FF?

Hmm. The viewfinder was the thing I liked best about the D700 when I tried it out (next to the sensor, that is.) If you are currently using a D300 or D200, you will see a huge improvement with the D700 in this regard, despite being "only" a 95% viewfinder. You probably won't even notice the difference.

But everyone is different. If that is something you can't live with, I'd just say wait for a later version that has the 100% viewfinder or save up for the D3. I understand that used D3's are going for something in the neighborhood of $4300-4500 right now, and that is bound to come down. The size you can get used to. The price you just have to work up to. You could always rent a D700 when they become available and see what you think. Otherwise you are out of luck at the moment for cameras from Nikon.

David

Edited on Jul 05, 2008 at 02:01 PM

Jul 05, 2008 at 02:00 PM

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p.1 #16 · D700 and 5D, not really FF?

I actually prefer the 95% over the 100%. I feel its less of a chance of getting someones arm cut off by the frame.

Jul 05, 2008 at 02:10 PM

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p.1 #17 · D700 and 5D, not really FF?

Oh dear. You aren't going to like this bit of information, but neither the 5D or D700 are 'full frame'. The sensor size of the 5d is only 35.8 x 23.9 mm while the d700 is only 36.0 x 23.9 mm. Even if the viewfinders were 100% you still aren't getting the whole picture compared to a 'true' full frame 36 x 24mm film camera. Looks like a film camera and scanner are in your future.

Jul 05, 2008 at 02:16 PM

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p.1 #18 · D700 and 5D, not really FF?

I've got an N80 with a true 36x24 film sensor I could be persuaded to part with. Low shutter count, too. Sorry, the F4 is NOT for sale.

Jul 05, 2008 at 02:55 PM

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p.1 #19 · D700 and 5D, not really FF?

I've a Canon 5D and Oly E3. The E3, despite being a 4/3 camera, offers a 100% view whereas the 5D is only 95%. In most instances I don't notice the difference when I am looking through the vf as both are big and bright, but I do sometimes wish the 5D were 100% when precise and accurate framing is a must.

Jul 05, 2008 at 03:02 PM

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p.1 #20 · D700 and 5D, not really FF?

BenV wrote:
I actually prefer the 95% over the 100%. I feel its less of a chance of getting someones arm cut off by the frame.

I agree with you on that.... I some times find that I compose tighter than I should have, and I find my self wishing for a bit more room. The 95% is like a built in safety factor... and when you break it down, it's only a matter of probably 5 pixels on either side...

Jul 05, 2008 at 03:05 PM

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