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p.9 #1 · Nikon D700 ...

Steen Bondo wrote:
According to one of the major danish dealers it is now official that Nikon will meet the press the 1st of July.
Still nothing official from Nikon about what will be announced.
I hope it's some fast or just semifast AF-S primes with superb wide open performance, and a new AF-S 4/300 VR ...

I can almost guarantee that the new 300 F4 with VR will come out....

I just bought the current model!

Steve

Jun 24, 2008 at 02:57 PM

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p.9 #2 · Nikon D700 ...

Not only this. Full frame sensors receive more light for any aperture. So, given a sensor technology, it is easier to get high IQ especially in high ISO for full frame.

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Hello linathael

I agree that DX is great for telephoto lenses, absolutely. However if you are a wideangle photographer then DX really, really sucks. For example, my beautiful Nikkor 28mm becomes a 42mm equivalent, and my 24mm becomes (on my Canon) a 38mm. Not wide at all.

Yes, I know that you can buy specialist DX wides, but they are all slow. Even the superduper new Tokina 11-16 is "only" 2.8, I personally could have taken DX more seriously if either Canon or Nikon had ever released a fast wide, for example a 19mm f1.4

The fact that such lenses never appears tells me that Nikon and Canon were never that committed to DX, in the long term.
Hello David, thanks for the comment, I better understand now, and I agree to have already experienced similar frustration already with my 18-70mm, not wide enough indeed... but as I more a wild and normal life shooter, I might be less affected than others.
I wanted to bring the point about pixel numbering, as a 12 MP FF will bing less definition than a 12 MP DX, so indeed if you want it wide you want it FX, but if you want it zoomed and.or detailed you want it DX.

Let see what nikon can grab from ts black hat, all things I know is that there is a special discount campaign on Canon 40D and other bodies and lenses ending on June 30th...

Jun 24, 2008 at 03:00 PM

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p.9 #3 · Nikon D700 ...

Steen Bondo wrote:
I hope *snip *a new AF-S 4/300 VR ...

+1 I want one so bad

Jun 24, 2008 at 03:10 PM

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p.9 #4 · Nikon D700 ...

chemprof wrote:
jcmarney wrote:
chemprof wrote:
Todd Warnke wrote:
jcmarney wrote:
Any guesses on price? $2800?

The website these pics come from said $2995.

Peace,

Todd

Still too expensive. Needs to be under $2500 to compete.

Gerald

$2500 would be ideal...but I'd be willing to fork out 3k. Really will depend on where the 5D II lands and and what features it has. I don't care about additional resolution, but it'd have to have much better AF, build, LCD, etc as well, and if it does, I don't see it coming in at $2500 either.

Guaranteed the 5DII will be no more than the current 5D, and I'm sure it will be close in many ways to what Nikon will put out. Current 5D prices are around $2300, from what I've been seeing.

Gerald

Actually current 5D prices are between $1800-1900USD and around $2600 WITH the nice 24-105/4 L IS Lens.

I think we are also going to be seeing rising prices with fuel and food increases causing inflation.

And that the D700 will compete with the 5DII which may also come in a bit higher than the current 5D prices.

Jun 25, 2008 at 04:14 PM

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p.9 #5 · Nikon D700 ...

D700:

36x23,9mm cmos sensor FX- format 12, 1 MP effective.
RGB color filter array, build in low pass filter.
EXPEED prosessor 14 bit.
NEF, NEF + jpeg, tiff, jpeg file formats.
Auto crop when using DX lenses. All other lenses usable.
51 point AF, 15 cross type sensors.
Live view mode.
3D colormatrix II metering modes.
Iso 100- 25600.
CF card slot FAT32
Accu and grip same as MB- D10 (from D300).

See:

http://www.photografica.com/index.php?id=16&tx_ttnews

Jun 26, 2008 at 11:44 AM

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p.9 #6 · Nikon D700 ...

Frode wrote:
D700:

36x23,9mm cmos sensor FX- format 12, 1 MP effective.
RGB color filter array, build in low pass filter.
EXPEED prosessor 14 bit.
NEF, NEF + jpeg, tiff, jpeg file formats.
Auto crop when using DX lenses. All other lenses usable.
51 point AF, 15 cross type sensors.
Live view mode.
3D colormatrix II metering modes.
Iso 100- 25600.
CF card slot FAT32
Accu and grip same as MB- D10 (from D300).

See:

http://www.photografica.com/index.php?id=16&tx_ttnews

that looks an awful lot like the other post you just posted saying "D700:

36x23,9mm cmos sensor FX- format 12, 1 MP effective.
RGB color filter array, build in low pass filter.
EXPEED prosessor 14 bit.
NEF, NEF + jpeg, tiff, jpeg file formats.
Auto crop when using DX lenses. All other lenses usable.
51 point AF, 15 cross type sensors.
Live view mode.
3D colormatrix II metering modes.
Iso 100- 25600.
CF card slot FAT32
Accu and grip same as MB- D10 (from D300).

See:

http://www.photografica.com/index.php?id=16&tx_ttnews
"

from the "more d700 rumors" thread :-)

Edited on Jun 26, 2008 at 12:21 PM

Jun 26, 2008 at 12:21 PM

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p.9 #7 · Nikon D700 ...

These guys are just copying what is already here in an FX chip, so it's the blatantly obvious. The problem with these specs and all the others.... no frame rate.

Edited by nikt on Jun 26, 2008 at 10:24 PM GMT

Edited on Jun 26, 2008 at 12:24 PM

Jun 26, 2008 at 12:22 PM

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p.9 #8 · Nikon D700 ...

Since it's all conjecture anyway, I'm putting FPS at 3.5 - 4

Steve

Jun 26, 2008 at 12:24 PM

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p.9 #9 · Nikon D700 ...

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Since it's all conjecture anyway, I'm putting FPS at 3.5 - 4

Steve

with grip maybe 5-6? that would be pretty nice.

Jun 26, 2008 at 12:25 PM

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p.9 #10 · Nikon D700 ...

I'd guess that as well Steve. But you're only allowed one guess number.

Jun 26, 2008 at 12:25 PM

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p.9 #11 · Nikon D700 ...

with grip maybe 5-6? that would be pretty nice.

Agree....I would be very interesred in the D700 as long as the fps were not at a snails pace like the 5D. I would like to replace my D200 with the D700 and as long as I stayed the same with fps...I'd be satisfied

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Jun 26, 2008 at 12:27 PM

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p.9 #12 · Nikon D700 ...

I don't think Nikon's gonna release a new pro body with lower fps then D200...

I was fooling around on the internet and found something interesting that helped me realise why D700 and not D10 as some told before... Nikon F-90, F4, F5 an F6 have grips called MB-10, MB-20, MB-30 and MB-40 (I'm new to it, so I didn't know about these grips) so it make sense to have a MB-10 for D300 and being MB-D200 the grip for D200 doesn't mean that MB-D10's gonna be released for a D10.
Very well... let's wait a little more for this new camera do come

Jun 26, 2008 at 12:34 PM

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p.9 #13 · Nikon D700 ...

the nikon F5 had a fully integrated grip. one piece with the body not removable. it was the most solid nikon ever made

Edited on Jun 26, 2008 at 01:04 PM

Jun 26, 2008 at 01:04 PM

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p.9 #14 · Nikon D700 ...

sjms wrote:
the nikon F5 had a fully integrated grip. one piece with the body not removable. it was the most solid nikon ever made

True. Sorry, I made a mistake, there're no MB-30 also

MB-20 is for F4 and MB-40 for F6.

Jun 26, 2008 at 01:21 PM

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p.9 #15 · Nikon D700 ...

r_o_b_s_o_n wrote:
nikt wrote:
Doesn't look like Nikon is going to announce anything, or they are really tight lipped. I'm guessing the 1st Jul announcement is the Canon 5d replacement which is coming September.

why do you say that with so much certainty??

Well, Nikon may be up to something for July by other accounts around the place. My other part of the statement still stands though.

How do I know?

Same answer I had when I said the D200 and D2x replacements were on their way a couple of months before announcement... tea leaf readings of course.

Jun 26, 2008 at 01:38 PM

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p.9 #16 · Nikon D700 ...

Yes, the frame rate is important for my use. Exiting!

nikt wrote:
These guys are just copying what is already here in an FX chip, so it's the blatantly obvious. The problem with these specs and all the others.... no frame rate.

Edited by nikt on Jun 26, 2008 at 10:24 PM GMT

Jun 26, 2008 at 01:59 PM

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p.9 #17 · Nikon D700 ...

Yes, and?

BenV wrote:
Frode wrote:
D700:

36x23,9mm cmos sensor FX- format 12, 1 MP effective.
RGB color filter array, build in low pass filter.
EXPEED prosessor 14 bit.
NEF, NEF + jpeg, tiff, jpeg file formats.
Auto crop when using DX lenses. All other lenses usable.
51 point AF, 15 cross type sensors.
Live view mode.
3D colormatrix II metering modes.
Iso 100- 25600.
CF card slot FAT32
Accu and grip same as MB- D10 (from D300).

See:

http://www.photografica.com/index.php?id=16&tx_ttnews

that looks an awful lot like the other post you just posted saying "D700:

36x23,9mm cmos sensor FX- format 12, 1 MP effective.
RGB color filter array, build in low pass filter.
EXPEED prosessor 14 bit.
NEF, NEF + jpeg, tiff, jpeg file formats.
Auto crop when using DX lenses. All other lenses usable.
51 point AF, 15 cross type sensors.
Live view mode.
3D colormatrix II metering modes.
Iso 100- 25600.
CF card slot FAT32
Accu and grip same as MB- D10 (from D300).

See:

http://www.photografica.com/index.php?id=16&tx_ttnews
"

from the "more d700 rumors" thread :-)

Jun 26, 2008 at 02:00 PM

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p.9 #18 · Nikon D700 ...

Why wouldn't the frame rate be the same as the D300? I mean, it's still 12mp (a few less than the d300 actually). Unless there is a tech reason for getting the info off a bigger sensor.

If this camera exists and the frame rate is anything less than the D300's, I would suspect sabotage by Nikon

Not sure if this matters, but Nikon's USA site lists the D3's sensitivity as -

Extreme low-noise ISO range with advanced noise reduction: This enables photographers to confidently select from 200-6400 ISO with an expanded range that includes: Lo-1 (100 ISO), Hi-1 (12,800 ISO) and Hi-2 (25,600 ISO)

So anytime I see 100-25600 I suspect something is not right.

Rich

Jun 26, 2008 at 04:08 PM

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p.9 #19 · Nikon D700 ...

well we only got 5 more days until the 1st, lets see what happens :-)

worst comes to worst I will have to admit one of these "hoaxers" finally got me.

Jun 26, 2008 at 05:54 PM

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p.9 #20 · Nikon D700 ...

This will go down as "The D700 Hoax of June 08"!

If not, then a lot of people will be very happy campers

Jun 26, 2008 at 06:05 PM

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p.9 #21 · Nikon D700 ...

Re. frame rate: moving the mirror up and down, as well as actuating the shutter in between, are the main constraints, I would say. The D300 already moves its info off the sensor is a timely fashion! Again, this is just a guess, but I would say that the D3's capacity to do 11 FPS is a significant part of its cost.

For me personally, 3 FPS is way more than enough for my work.

Jun 29, 2008 at 08:32 AM

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p.9 #22 · Nikon D700 ...

Lets just hope the focus points cover the frame!

Jun 29, 2008 at 08:55 AM

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p.9 #23 · Nikon D700 ...

12 MP on full frame is a bit too low for very fine details (lower noise, but larger RGB sensors will have lesser detail). I think the next generation will be somewhere around 25 MP. The individual photosensors are smaller and this will increase the detail (to the point were lenses are again the limiting factor). But it's interesting to have cheaper models with full frame sensor.

25MP full frame for $2000 (1500 euro) would be a good point to upgrade my D200. I think 3 years from now.

Edited on Jun 29, 2008 at 11:16 AM

Jun 29, 2008 at 11:14 AM

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p.9 #24 · Nikon D700 ...

jasin wrote:
Lets just hope the focus points cover the frame!

that will never happen. there really is no need to cover the entire frame area with AF sensors.

Edited by sjms on Jun 29, 2008 at 07:29 AM GMT

Edited on Jun 29, 2008 at 12:29 PM

Jun 29, 2008 at 12:11 PM

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p.9 #25 · Nikon D700 ...

Hendrik wrote:
12 MP on full frame is a bit too low for very fine details (lower noise, but larger RGB sensors will have lesser detail). I think the next generation will be somewhere around 25 MP. The individual photosensors are smaller and this will increase the detail (to the point were lenses are again the limiting factor). But it's interesting to have cheaper models with full frame sensor.

25MP full frame for $2000 (1500 euro) would be a good point to upgrade my D200. I think 3 years from now.

you know as the generations of imagers came out the last few years many said 6 was enough then it was 8 after that it was 12 and it will go on. it will go on and on until the technology will run into a physical sizing, noise and speed "brick wall". and just about that time they will pull out of a very dark and cramped place the next technology to replace this one.

it is as much marketing as it is science and engineering. if you are a tech company and don't have your next "big thing" on the drawing board or in the wings under lock and key you are too far behind. your job is to create the marketing departments job is to make the end user drool and crave for it. it ends when you do. its all coming just when is the right time to release it.

when i had my 1Ds (11) i was amazed. then my 1Ds2 (16) i was impressed but not as much as i thought i would be. used the 1Ds3 (21) darn near yawned but it was a little tighter in the image Q but was it worth it for me i decided no.

Edited on Jun 29, 2008 at 12:26 PM

Jun 29, 2008 at 12:21 PM


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