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p.3 #1 · Canon 600 f/4 IS Nightmare Images

I just want to know who does something this stupid and then takes photos to send to the rental agency.

Mar 13, 2008 at 04:44 PM

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Kanon Kid wrote:
Oh by the way, you posted this a while ago, most of us here read it when u posted it b4, and we would appreciate if u dont post it again. Thanx, and have a grrrrrreat day!

Cool it. No, he didn't. Someone else picked up on the original thread over at another forum & linked here. I saw & participated in both.

On the screw thing (boy that sounds wrong...). While all tripod/monopod mounts get to that one little 1/4" or 3/8" screw, there has to be a difference in the material quality of the screw/stud. On stuff like RRS, etc., I'm sure they are using high-quality, high-strength material that can handle far more than wha't being asked of it. On cheap stuff like the monopod in question apparently was, I'm betting they used the cheapest material manufactured in the cheapest manner possible.

Mar 13, 2008 at 04:54 PM

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p.3 #3 · Canon 600 f/4 IS Nightmare Images

I have never used one of these large tele's or even a monopod but wouldn't the lens be attached to the monopod on or near it's centre of mass? Assuming that's the case you would have thought that the forces on the actual screw itself wouldn't be that great.

You would have thought that everyone involved would be insured though so no harm done. Except maybe a small increase in all our insurance premiums next year...

Mar 13, 2008 at 05:17 PM

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p.3 #4 · Canon 600 f/4 IS Nightmare Images

That's true as long as it's vertical and stationary. But when I sling my monopod, 1-series and 400 f/2.8 over my shoulder, it's all hanging on by that one little (hopefully-aerospace-quality) Gitzo screw.

But that's what insurance is for.

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Mar 13, 2008 at 05:56 PM

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p.3 #5 · Canon 600 f/4 IS Nightmare Images

David Pennell wrote:
I just want to know who does something this stupid and then takes photos to send to the rental agency.

To tell you the truth, I requested the photos to be sent (for record keeping and insurance claim purposes). Little did I know they would also become entertaining forum posts

Max

Mar 13, 2008 at 08:14 PM

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Kanon Kid wrote:
Oh by the way, you posted this a while ago, most of us here read it when u posted it b4, and we would appreciate if u dont post it again. Thanx, and have a grrrrrreat day!

Cool it. No, he didn't. Someone else picked up on the original thread over at another forum & linked here. I saw & participated in both.

On the screw thing (boy that sounds wrong...). While all tripod/monopod mounts get to that one little 1/4" or 3/8" screw, there has to be a difference in the material quality of the screw/stud. On stuff like RRS, etc., I'm sure they are using high-quality, high-strength material that can handle far more than wha't being asked of it. On cheap stuff like the monopod in question apparently was, I'm betting they used the cheapest material manufactured in the cheapest manner possible.

Thanks for sticking up for me. I mostly posted this to provide some entertainment value out of what is, by all counts, a tragic event.

Also, to ask for a donation to a school and then to badmouth the OP you are asking the donation for probably won't get you very far

(just a suggestion).

Edited on Mar 13, 2008 at 08:17 PM

Mar 13, 2008 at 08:17 PM

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p.3 #7 · Canon 600 f/4 IS Nightmare Images

As Greg said, the weather resistance is not even relevant here.

The lens was submerged in a lake, for an extended period of time. That is not even close to what a few droplets of rain do. It is much easier to prevent a few droplets from entering a lens than keeping the lens dry while completely submerged during hours. If you are not convinced, then I may suggest you look at the design (and price) of underwater housings or Nikonos cameras (in fact these are even better engieneered, since they are also supposed to resist pressure, corresponding to, say -20m).

By the way, we should not focus on the bad part and notice the bright side of things: ok, the lens did die due to submersion in water, but at least it was not eaten by the 'gators.

The customer did mention that he was very close to jumping into the water, but that the thought of being a gator's meal stopped him

Max

Mar 13, 2008 at 11:11 PM

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This is not EOSfun

I am very sorry for the photographer.

Mar 13, 2008 at 11:25 PM

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p.3 #9 · Canon 600 f/4 IS Nightmare Images

I want to know if it sank like a rock or if it paused for a dramatic moment as the air inside escaped out of the lens opening to be replaced with brackish water. than slowly succumbed to its watery grave much like a large cruise ship would sink.

Mar 14, 2008 at 03:39 AM

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Nathan Hobbs wrote:
I want to know if it sank like a rock or if it paused for a dramatic moment as the air inside escaped out of the lens opening to be replaced with brackish water. than slowly succumbed to its watery grave much like a large cruise ship would sink.

Hahaha, I asked the *exact* same question. The guy said it paused for about 45 seconds and floated. He went back to his golf cart to retrieve a club to try to fish it out , but the lens already sank to a watery grave

Mar 14, 2008 at 06:41 AM

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Kanon Kid wrote:
Oh by the way, you posted this a while ago, most of us here read it when u posted it b4, and we would appreciate if u dont post it again. Thanx, and have a grrrrrreat day!

Oh by the way, that's the pot calling the kettle black. (70-300 or 70-200?... again, and again, and again).

Thanks, and have a day.

Edited on Mar 14, 2008 at 06:47 AM

Mar 14, 2008 at 06:46 AM

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Mike Farren wrote:
I have never used one of these large tele's or even a monopod but wouldn't the lens be attached to the monopod on or near it's centre of mass? Assuming that's the case you would have thought that the forces on the actual screw itself wouldn't be that great.

You would have thought that everyone involved would be insured though so no harm done. Except maybe a small increase in all our insurance premiums next year...

It's still crappy to have our 600 out for a month until we find a replacement

This is the biggest accidents that's happened to one of our lenses, and of course it had to happen to the 600...stupid Murphy.

Max

Mar 16, 2008 at 02:30 AM

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p.3 #13 · Canon 600 f/4 IS Nightmare Images

Oh yeah, if you want to see the aftermath after we got the lens, it's posted here:

http://borrowlenses.smugmug.com/gallery/4337896_8tsBX

Mar 16, 2008 at 02:31 AM

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p.3 #14 · Canon 600 f/4 IS Nightmare Images

What are you doing with this lens. Id love to take it carefully appart and film it, put it on youtube or something. would be awesome...

Mar 19, 2008 at 10:58 AM

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p.3 #15 · Canon 600 f/4 IS Nightmare Images

I say smash it an put it on U-TUBE.

I've smashed stuff in the past, Nikon cameras, Epson Printers, Monitors and TVs ~ there is such an undefinable closure to the deal.

Mar 19, 2008 at 01:39 PM

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p.3 #16 · Canon 600 f/4 IS Nightmare Images

Nill Toulme wrote:
That's true as long as it's vertical and stationary. But when I sling my monopod, 1-series and 400 f/2.8 over my shoulder, it's all hanging on by that one little (hopefully-aerospace-quality) Gitzo screw.

But that's what insurance is for.

I've never thought of it that way before. Great, now I'm freaked out! :P
Okay, what's got a better sheer/torque strength than steel?

Mar 19, 2008 at 03:44 PM

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p.3 #17 · Canon 600 f/4 IS Nightmare Images

was he using an induro tripod?

Mar 25, 2008 at 04:46 PM

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p.3 #18 · Canon 600 f/4 IS Nightmare Images

For those with inquiring minds:
Gators, Crocs, and Caimans are found in Florida.
Gators and Crocs are native, Caimans were introduced.
Gators are much more plentiful in Florida, and can be found in practically every body of water (across the entire state), mostly brackish and freshwater.
Gators are the largest reptile in North America.
Largest known gator in the US was found in Louisiana @ 19'2", and it is estimated that they can reach a weight of two tons.
Gators usually live 30-50 years in the wild, and up to 60-80 years in captivity.
The name alligator comes from Spanish pioneers who called them 'el-largarto' (the lizard).
Gators usually have brown eyes, and crocs usually have green eyes.
American crocs typically live in salty estuarine water and are mainly found in southern Florida (Everglades, Fla Bay, and occasionally in the Keys).
Crocs are generally more aggressive, but more human fatalities have been from Alligators in Florida (not sure if there's actually been any croc fatalities in Florida).
Crocs kill about 2000 humans annually worldwide.
Gators have killed less than 100 humans in the last 100 years in Florida (more people die from Bee stings).
Both crocs and gators belong to the order 'Crocodilia', and both are referred to as 'Crocodilians'.
Crocodilians date back to the Triassic Period 230 million years ago...and they are living, modern dinosaurs virtually unchanged for 65 million years.
Cheers,
Scott
(S.Fla native)

Mar 25, 2008 at 06:53 PM

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Xavier Rival wrote:
Monito wrote:
Give it to a highschool physics class or photo club or middle school science class. Let them take it apart and learn something and let some good flow.

I concur.
You could even film the take apart process and put that video on YouTube. That would be so much better than these videos of people destroying expensive equipment "for the fun of it".

Remember the 500/4 IS lens assembly (canon virtual factory). A very interesting source of information for all photo enthusiasts like us.

I would like to see the insides of this! While you are at it, get a weight scale, and weight the glass - curious to see how much weight does the glass weigh in the lens! Taking it apart - and also trying to put it again together - would be a BETTER and more informative process, than bashing it around... we have seen this too many times on YouTube, from Xboxes, to computers, to midgets and you call it...

Mar 25, 2008 at 07:09 PM

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p.3 #20 · Canon 600 f/4 IS Nightmare Images

I got a brilliant idea of what would be the best thing with this lens.

Take the lens to events where you have a lot of photographers, and pretend to take photos with it, then have it dropped in comical ways so that the others photographers can see it stumble and fall, or roll down the hill, of fall in the water again and get them taped and have their reactions put on YouTube - sort of a American's Funniest Photographers...

Or give the lens to someone to hold for you while you change it with a smaller one, and while passing it to him/her, drop it on the ground (grass, so you can repeat this a few times with other unsuspecting victims...)

Man - their reactions would be priceless...

Mar 25, 2008 at 07:16 PM

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Mar 25, 2008 at 07:18 PM

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p.3 #22 · Canon 600 f/4 IS Nightmare Images

Maybe he should of watched Robert Hanshiro's video over on Sports Shooter on how to properly shoulder a big lens!

Mar 25, 2008 at 07:44 PM

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p.3 #23 · Canon 600 f/4 IS Nightmare Images

so what else is the renter allow to rent now?

Rene

Mar 25, 2008 at 08:02 PM

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p.3 #24 · Canon 600 f/4 IS Nightmare Images

These screws are mass-produced on screw machines fed bundles of wire. It only takes a decent size nick in the wire to seriously compromise the screw's strength. Add the fact the renter probably torqued the living daylighs out of the mount to "make sure" it wouldn't loosen. This can be a recipe for disaster.

Jun 01, 2008 at 04:34 PM

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p.3 #25 · Canon 600 f/4 IS Nightmare Images

i do not understand why the lens can't be repaired. a good factory cleaning of the glass and barrel then replace the internal electronics. if it can be assembled it can be unassembled then rebuilt. if under warranty may be Canon does not want to invest the man hours for such an undertaking. if not under warranty the cost might be prohibitive. if it where my lens i would definitely not take Canon's word as the final authority. i recently purchased a lens that Canon would not repair they gave me a list of authorized Canon repair houses. there was a repair house here in my home town. they completely dis-assemble cleaned and and removed the rust from the diaphragms put it all together and wa-la my antique lens is restored. i realize that the 600mm is a more complex lens. but no one can convince me that it can not be dis-assembled cleaned and have the electrical/electronic components replaced. i guestimate that >75% of the cost of that lense is the glass which is salvageable even if the glass was salvaged and assembled in a new barrel/housing the cost would be substantially less than a new 600mm.

it ain't rocket science it's a lens. it might cost a couple grand but i'll bet that it can be rebuilt. donate that lens to me and i'll have it rebuilt.

Edited on Jun 02, 2008 at 10:06 AM

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