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Archive 2008 · 40D Problems Update

  
 
Chris Schlaf
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p.1 #1 · 40D Problems Update


I noticed a few days ago that while taking shots with my
40D using the 85 1.2 II that the battery would die after about 5 minutes of use so I put a fresh battery in and after a few minutes the battery would die.I also noticed that the battery that was charging would be fully charged in less than 5 minutes.So I tried the 70-200 2.8 IS and no problems and I had also use this combination with a hockey game a few days before (70-200) for an hour and a half and was problem free.So last night I placed the 85mm back on and after a few minutes the battery died again but this time I just turned the power off on the camera and then turned it back on and the battery was showing up as fully charged.Thants why it only took 5 minutes to charge.I will be checking this in a few days using a freinds 40D.



Feb 13, 2008 at 11:28 AM
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p.1 #2 · 40D Problems Update


That is so strange. I tested mine last night without any troubles. Oh yeah, and I hadn't charged my battery in several days.

Does this happen in one shot or just AI servo? How old is your 85L? I have seen a couple of comments on this problem and the posters said their lens was at least a year old.



Feb 13, 2008 at 11:32 AM
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p.1 #3 · 40D Problems Update


Mostly Al servo. Yes my 85mm is around a year and a half old.


Feb 13, 2008 at 11:35 AM
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p.1 #4 · 40D Problems Update


Do you have a battery grip on the camera? This happened with the original bg-e2.


Feb 13, 2008 at 12:55 PM
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p.1 #5 · 40D Problems Update


No Im gripless


Feb 13, 2008 at 01:14 PM
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p.1 #6 · 40D Problems Update


Seems like the 85 has a high-resistance electrical fault that is draining power from the camera too fast and causing the camera to report low battery voltage but not causing it to see a "fault" and shut down power to the lens and/or camera immediately. If that is so then you can expect it to happen on any other camera too, or at least on any other 40D that has the same electrical characteristics.

- Alan



Feb 13, 2008 at 03:59 PM
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p.1 #7 · 40D Problems Update


Li-ion batteries have a built-in microprocessor to safeguard the cells by limiting maximum voltage and by protecting against deep discharge, short circuit and overload. So what is happening is likely due to fault in the USM motor in the lens creating an overload and the protection in the battery is simply trying to save itself from harm. Before doing doing any more experimenting with your Li-ion batteries you might want to watch this which shows what can happen when a Li-ion battery is overloaded: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjAtBiTSsK

It may be time to have the lens serviced...



Feb 13, 2008 at 04:06 PM
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p.1 #8 · 40D Problems Update


As I have reported, this exact same thing has happened with my 40D and 85L. Strange, that when I contacted Canon, no one seemed to have ever heard of this happening to anyone else and now it seems to be happening" frequently" with others also. Canon can't or doesn't want to get many if any things right lately.


Feb 13, 2008 at 04:45 PM
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p.1 #9 · 40D Problems Update


... and if they don't admit it then it never happened, so the customers will be happy. Right ?


Feb 13, 2008 at 04:48 PM
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p.1 #10 · 40D Problems Update


Any update on this? I noticed this as well, and finally can reproduce it with some consistency. 85 is from January 08, 40d and grip with 2 batteries.


Feb 24, 2008 at 08:56 PM
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p.1 #11 · 40D Problems Update


Can any of you guys borrow a different body to to try the 85 on? That's going to be your best bet at isolating the problem.


Feb 25, 2008 at 05:50 AM
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p.1 #12 · 40D Problems Update


I have used mine on different bodies (20d, 5d) and it did not exhibit that behavior.




Feb 25, 2008 at 08:57 AM
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p.1 #13 · 40D Problems Update


njjuliano wrote:
I have used mine on different bodies (20d, 5d) and it did not exhibit that behavior.



Hmmm, that's really odd, but maybe a firmware issue?



Feb 25, 2008 at 09:38 PM
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p.1 #14 · 40D Problems Update


Nah, I have the latest on the 40d, 1.0.5.

Any credence to having the need to have the lens serviced? Chuck mentioned that it might be the lens being the culprit, but I dont see it happening with the 20d, nor 5d.



Edited by njjuliano on Mar 03, 2008 at 04:04 PM GMT

Edited on Mar 03, 2008 at 04:04 PM



Feb 25, 2008 at 11:02 PM
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p.1 #15 · 40D Problems Update


Changed battery types on the grip.
Checked for play in the lens mount.
Is it the cam, or the lens? It doesnt happen in the 20d. But no other lens makes this happen on the 40d.
Still cant find a definitive answer at this point.



Mar 03, 2008 at 04:05 PM
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p.1 #16 · 40D Problems Update


I don't have a suggestion, just a question to go along with this. Last night, my XT did this on a fully charged battery. It was on AI Servo mode, so when the camera shut off, I took out the battery and put it back in, turned it on and put it on One Shot. Could the AI Servo mode have something to do with it?


Mar 03, 2008 at 04:18 PM
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p.1 #17 · 40D Problems Update


I just got back from a 2 week vacation didnt use the combination.I did try my buddies 40D on my 85mm befroe I left and had no problems.So as of now it looks like the camera.I used the 85 on a Mark IIn many times with no problems



Mar 04, 2008 at 11:32 AM
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p.1 #18 · 40D Problems Update


I too have the problem with a brand new 85 1.2L II.

Canon Netherlands just replied that they are not aware of the problem.
I mailed them the following list of threads:

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/642304/0
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1019&message=29732915&q=40d+85+battery&qf=m
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/661416/0#5900074
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/645509/0?keyword=40d,85,battery#5735622
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1019&message=29547126&q=40d+85+battery&qf=m
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/615284/0#5470157
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1019&message=29510282&q=40d+85+battery&qf=m
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=529551
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1029&message=28292088&changemode=1
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/695699/0#6256486

Can't ignore that :-)




Oct 22, 2008 at 12:10 PM
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p.1 #19 · 40D Problems Update


^Thanks for the links, I hear the 50D may be similarly afflicted

It's such a shame that one of Canon's top lens can be impaired in such a fashion on some xxD bodies (not all 40D or 50D models are affected though)

Canon Australia told me that Canon Japan had issued an internal service note/memo acknowledging the problem and currently investigating so if anyone tells you "We've never heard of a problem" they are either lying or ill informed...in which case why do they still have a job if they know less than someone on an internet forum




Oct 26, 2008 at 05:25 AM
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p.1 #20 · 40D Problems Update


Solved!

Canon has released firmware version 1.1.1 for the 40D which is said to solve the battery drain issue with the 85L ...



Jan 22, 2009 at 04:03 PM





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