I was considering leaving too, but the D3 has failed the cold test .... whereas the 1DMKIII has passed the cold test, as it and its predecessors passed the bad weather test and even submersion in swimming pools and even the sea.
This just proves to me, personally that Nikon are still making CHEAP cameras ~~~ OK I'm still upset with Nikon for having been forced to move from them five years ago, but Canon has proven reliable, until the 1DMKIII ~ and after the 'fix' that's not really too bad.
I would have, but Nikon still hasn't updated the 80-400 VR or come out with anything else that can rival the 100-400L or the 400 f5.6L, and I can't afford to buy Nikon's big professional telephoto lenses.
Uh, wait - am I reading this right - just because D3 is not as water friendly as the 1DMKIII, it proves they are still cheap cameras...
Uh, oh... what about the capabilities of the camera, AF, IQ... do they count?
Why not go and purchase water based camera to take underwater if one wants underwater cameras?
Canon now is trying to convince people with something, anything, to keep on buying cameras that are lacking in many ways behind the competition. I will continue using Canon, just because I do not see any logic in switching to a different make.
One can take pictures with any camera if you really think about it, be dSLR, P&S, film camera, etc...
Switching to other brands applies for people that like to purchase the latest gadgets, have money to burn, like collecting cameras, or people that are just starting.
If I were to start from scratch in photography, I would, at this time, pick Nikon.
akovacsi wrote:
Uh, wait - am I reading this right - just because D3 is not as water friendly as the 1DMKIII, it proves they are still cheap cameras...
Uh, oh... what about the capabilities of the camera, AF, IQ... do they count?
He stated he moved FROM Nikon years ago. Sounds like he shot with them for a while, and now shoots with Canon. That probably validates his opinion a bit more than someone with their first DSLR and a couple years of 'keyboard warrior / DP review' experience.
I am seriously looking at switching because with the poor performance of my MkIII, Canon doesn't have a body that suits my needs.
The other factor is that Canon's company attitude and customer service just sucks. They have had some sizable problems with new product releases but that doesn't seem to phase them very much which is troubling. In fact, their blunders keep getting worse. It is very obvious that they aren't testing products very well and are pushing anything out the door that they think they can get away with. I mean really, how do you release a lens that goes all fuzzy when you shoot it vertically. Didn't anybody in Canon actually try one out to see if they worked? Same thing with the 24-105. What problems will they release next?
In terms of their customer service, I have posted enough on my woes elsewhere but I've had it.
Why aren't I gone yet?
1. I can't sell my 1DMkIII. Right now it is functioning so poorly that it would be criminal for me to pass it off on some poor, unsuspecting soul. Even if it were functioning right, with the impending "second fix" used prices are way down.
2. Nikon lacks high quality F4 zooms which for me is a big deal.
3. Nikon lacks a 300mm F4 VR lens. This is a huge deal for me.
The counterpoint is that their AF system appears to be very different and significantly more advanced than Canon's. There has been very little discussion on what they are doing but it is really producing some incredible results. Being able to get a shot that is in focus is ultimately more important than the lenses which are missing from their line-up. The other factor is that their two new zooms 14-24 and 24-70 are really, really good. If the logic is to forget about bodies and go for the best glass then they are leading the pack in the under 200mm zoom category by a healthy margin.
The last factor in Nikon's favor is that they have been releasing some very well made products while Canon has been releasing some very problematic ones. If one is looking at the next five years the smart money has to be on Nikon being the company that is most likely to produce high quality professional level products that actually works.
Tried Nikon for a few years... Now I am using Canon... May try Sony in the future.. who knows? It is all the same stuff... You can make pictures with it
I was considering leaving too, but the D3 has failed the cold test .... whereas the 1DMKIII has passed the cold test, as it and its predecessors passed the bad weather test and even submersion in swimming pools and even the sea.
This just proves to me, personally that Nikon are still making CHEAP cameras ~~~ OK I'm still upset with Nikon for having been forced to move from them five years ago, but Canon has proven reliable, until the 1DMKIII ~ and after the 'fix' that's not really too bad.
Where have we seen the D3 fail the cold test? If it was that one sports photographer at the football playoff game, then the jury is still out. There were other people at the game with D3's that shot all night long. This guy most likely brought his equipment straight out of a humid warm area onto the field causing condensation within the body.
And if you think because the Nikon stopped working it's a cheap camera, what do you think about this snippet from LL.
" About 85% of the trip's members were shooting with Canon gear, mostly 1Ds MKII. There were a couple of 1D MKII and 5D's, with several people having Rebel XT and XTi bodies as backups.
There were quite a few camera failures, most of them occasioned by our shooting in rain on the first day ashore in The Falklands. The rain was not heavy – more a persistent drizzle than a heavy rain, but it took its toll. In all, 90 minutes of wet shooting produced six 1Ds MKII cameras which stopped working for one reason or another. Three of them recovered after a night of drying out. Three remained hors de combat for the rest of the trip.
Three Canon 5D's died that day, with one subsequent recovery. Two Rebel XTi's lost their rear LCD's, though otherwise continued to work (which is a real hassle, because though one can keep shooting, there's no way to change any settings, or at least to know what the changes are).
We also lost two video cameras, one with a dead sound board and the other a total cardiac arrest. Several lenses bit the dust during the trip, including two Canon 70-210mm f/2.8L IS, and a Canon 28-135mm.
Nikon
There were 5 Nikon users on the trip, with various bodies – mostly D200's. There were no reports of any Nikon problems or failures."
Does this imply the Canon's are all "cheap cameras"?
If Nikon comes out with a FF in a D300 body along with an updated 85mm and a new sub-f/2 35mm, then I'd be quite tempted. But even then the prices on the high end Nikon lenses are even more expensive than Canon and the used stuff are listed much less frequently.
I'm hanging in here for the FF 1D IIIn... The Fed Ex guy will have it on my door step in about 12-14 months oh... and he's put a 50 1.2L on it as well and I should be good for a while.
A camera is a tool to be used, traded or discarded as you see fit. If it does the job you need then it's fine. I've never understood this brand loyalty love hate thing that seems to go on and on like the energizer bunny.
