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jkristaken
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p.1 #1 · Spot Metering


I have a 1D . in the instructions it speaks briefly of Spot Metering.
If I take 3-5 readings with the FEL button, do I then use my exposer compensation wheel to find an average or, does the camera do that for me?
Ken.

Edited by jkristaken on Jan 27, 2008 at 11:35 PM GMT

Edited on Jan 27, 2008 at 11:35 PM



Jan 26, 2008 at 12:59 PM
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p.1 #2 · Spot Metering


Firstly, I assume it works the same as on the more recent 1D2.

Secondly, you have to be in spot metering mode.

Thirdly, you have to be in Tv or Av mode. The multi-spot metering does not work in M mode where it would be quite useful, but you almost get that mode anyway because once you press the FEL button in spot metering mode the auto exposure no longer varies as you point at another subject, but only as you press FEL again. The distinction is that you cannot control the initial aperture and shutter settings manually - just one of them.

Each time you press the FEL button a new spot meter reading is taken and averaged with the previous readings (up to 8 in all). The average is put at the mid-tone metering level and the exposure setting adjusted accordingly (e.g. by changing the aperture if you are in Tv mode). If you do not like that averaged metering then you can change the exposure compensation to suit by rotating the EC dial but it is not compulsory to do so. That will shift the displayed spot readings up or down on the exposure scale and so you can easily decide how to make the range best suit your requirements. e.g. you may want the brightest reading to be recorded at +2.5 stops to minimise digital noise but also to prevent burnout of the highlights. You can see up to 6 stops of DR on the exposure scale and so you can easily control where that range should sit in relation to what the sensor can capture.

The averaged reading may or may not match one of the actual readings and you can bias the average somewhat by taking several spot readings of the same part of the scene. Sometimes I have trouble understanding exactly what the averaging is doing as it doesn't seem to be operating correctly. Maybe it has some sort of weighting applied to it.

- Alan



Jan 27, 2008 at 01:55 AM
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p.1 #3 · Spot Metering


Use spot metering all the time but not multi-spot. What would be a good application for that? Also was just looking at the manual for the Mk3 and does not mention you have to be a program mode...? Sounds like you use it, for what kind of shot?


Jan 27, 2008 at 02:11 AM
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p.1 #4 · Spot Metering


Multi spot made a lot of sense in the film days, but single spot and the histogram are more than adequate these days IMO.


Jan 27, 2008 at 07:26 AM
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p.1 #5 · Spot Metering


The axiom of metering is that the less of a scene you measure the more you need to know how to interpret the readings. With digital the best guide to exposure is the overexposure warning in the playback which will tell precisely where any highlights are clipping and the histogram, which if there is a gap on the right will advise how underexposed the image is.

I used a spot meter for zone system B&W work but see it as a waste of time for digital. Stick to one metering mode and use it consistently, rather than jump between them, and the tendencies of the TTL metering to err will become quickly apparent and easier to anticipate. I use evaluative and keep an eye on the OEW and histogram and have no problem getting perfect exposures in any situation. See http://super.nova.org/DPR/Canon/TTL/ and http://super.nova.org/DPR/ZoneSystem/Histogram.pdf

Chuck

Edited on Jan 27, 2008 at 08:35 AM



Jan 27, 2008 at 08:34 AM
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p.1 #6 · Spot Metering


If you have the time using M mode and spot metering is the best way to meter and if you have a 1 series camera with a real time metering scale, you can spot meter say a middle tone subject, set the aperture and shutter accordingly then quickly scan the scene and see how much brighter/darker highlights/shadows are and work out you DR. You can't do that with evaluative, as it uses unknown (to us) algorithms, making it impossible to second guess it. Evalautive is good when your are in the heat of the moment and/or when the overall tonality of a scene doesn't differ greatly from middle tone. It is easily fooled by extremes despite the hype over how clever it is.


Jan 27, 2008 at 08:58 AM
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p.1 #7 · Spot Metering


Chuck, according to Sekonic the histogram can be quite misleading for obtaining proper exposures as it works on reflected light and not incident and the camera tries to average it back to 18% grey.

No question about highlight clipping on the playback screen being of assistance.

What is your take on that?



Jan 27, 2008 at 10:04 AM
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p.1 #8 · Spot Metering


craig_oz_land wrote:
Chuck, according to Sekonic the histogram can be quite misleading for obtaining proper exposures as it works on reflected light and not incident and the camera tries to average it back to 18% grey.

No question about highlight clipping on the playback screen being of assistance.

What is your take on that?


Sekonic wants to sell more expensive spot meters... No surprise it would downplay the use of the histogram. Just use this common sense test: which is a more accurate indicator of how exposure is actually recorded by the camera, a meter reading or the last shot which was actually taken.

The key to using the histogram as a precise diagnostic tool is including a standard textured highlight test object. I use a white terry shop towel. I bought a bag of 60 for $10 at Costco. I define "perfect"digital exposure as the point where VISUALLY with just my eye balls the towel is reproduced accurately with its fine detail intact. In other words I use texture, not the histogram, as the benchmark, then corollate what the over-exposure warning and histogram spike from textured highlights look like back on the camera indicators.

I actually use the towel to calibrate my Sekonic L-358 meter to my camera. That is necessary for any meter because camera ISOs are not set to ANSI standards like the meter. Here's my latest test shot, annotated with the Photoshop eyedropper readings:

http://super.nova.org/TP/MeterCal6_3.jpg

Note - there was glare on the grayscale, but it wasn't a factor in the test.

If you read the links I provided earlier I provide a very simple way to benchmark a camera histogram by bracketing exposures on a gray card so the actual tonal value represented by each point on the horizontal scale is known. Here's the test from my 20D:

http://super.nova.org/TP/HistogramTest.jpg

So I can look at a scene, find the brightest highlights in it, then corollate the position of the spike that spot is creating on the histogram to the tone it will reproduce in the print. Conceptually its similar to the "pre-visualization" routine I started using about 35 years ago with the spot meter with Adams Zone System with B&W film. That is to say being able to corollate what the histogram is telling me to how the image will be recorded. The histogram is an immensely valuable tool, is one simply understands what it is saying.

The over-exposure warning "black-out" indicator is an even simpler, practical exposure guide. The basic law for digital is "Thou Shalt Not Blow the Highlights". Well, only an idiot could miss the fact that highlights are being blown if the playback is set to shot the OEW. If you raise exposure to the point areas in the photo were TEXTURED highlights are just starting black out, then drop the exposure back down 1/3 stop the exposure for the textured highlights will be perfect.

Since the OEW shows exactly where the highlights are being clipped it is possible to selectively expose, choosing to clip some areas to render others correctly. For example if shooting a backlit subject in sun I will have the subject hold the white towel, crumpled in a ball to create some shadows within it, then adjust the exposure based on the OEW on the towel. The background will be blown, but intentionally, with perfect exposure on the face in shadow.

As for evaluative metering, it actually works quite predictably. It evaluates all 35+ metering zones, finds the brightest one it thinks has texture, and sets exposure so as not to blow it out. When it errs, it will tend to do so in the direction of under-exposure, which can be remediated in post processing. My shooting workflow is quite simple:

1) Point and shoot a test shot at EC=0 and FEC = 0 (camera baseline)
2) Look at the playback, noting OEW and gap on right side of histogram
3) Adjust exposure based on feedback **
4) Capture perfectly exposed second shot.

** Of course the trick is knowing what the histogram and OEW are saying, a skill which can be acquired in about 30 min. using the exercises I've outlined in my tutorials.

As I mentioned previously, when any metering mode / evaluation workflow is used consistently it doesn't take long for noticeable trends to appear, such as nearly always needing about +1/3 FEC for indoor flash shots. Once I notice trends like that I adjust my initial baseline in step #1, starting at FEC = +1/3 rather than zero. The fact the camera needs 1/3 stop FEC dialed in doesn't make the metering "bad" it simply reflects the fact the metering is erring on the side of preventing the clueless from blowing the highlights. The assumption on Canon's part (I assume) is that once one notices that all the shots are consistently underexposed some EC or FEC will be used consistently to compensate. That's a much more realistic approach than writing off the camera metering as flawed and running to spend $500 for a spot meter.

I've got an entire tutorial devoted to trying to save people that $500 http://super.nova.org/DPR/Equipment/SpotMeter.html but if you already have one I also reveal how to calibrate it with a white towel so it can be pointed at the textured highlight you want to preserve, the camera set exactly as indicated on the readout, with resulting perfect exposure -- white with texture -- at the spot in the photo where the reading was taken.

Put the white towel out in the sunlight and take a reading from it with the spot meter. The indicated exposure will make it middle gray in the capture. Instead of doing the mental math of adding 2-2/3 - 3 stops to the indicated exposure to get the towel white, simply enter + 2.6 as the meter exposure compensation factor. That's just a suggested starting point. Adjust the meter's EC up/down until you can point the meter at the towel, shot at the f/stop / shutter indicated, and reproduce the towel perfectly VISUALLY IN PHOTOSHOP based on whatever subjective standard you have for what a perfectly exposed white towel shoot look like. What you will have done is two things at once: 1) moved the meter's default exposure point from 12-13% gray to about 95% white (w. texture), and; 2) compensated for any sensitivity difference between your meter's true ISO 100 and the camera's actual sensitivity of around 120-125.

Just try it! It will take maybe 10 min. of you life and save you 1000x more time futzing with the meter. Once you re-calibrate a hand held spot meter to the textured whites the workflow is:

1) Meter the spot where correctly exposed textured highlights are desired in the file
2) Set camera per the meter readings
3) Get perfectly exposed highlights
4) Optional for HDR: Bracket +1, +2, +3, and +4 stops**

** pick the one with the desired shadow detail during post-processing. I just use two layers, one exposed correctly for the highlights and a second with detail in the darkest shadows, placed over the normal one with a mask. I don't particularly like the "global" lighten-every-nook-and-cranny HDR look, so instead I selectively erase the mask just in the shadows where I want more detail. Even when I don't bother with a second exposure I can do this with a dupe / masked screen layer, or two files saved from the same RAW file with the second "pulled" to +2 to reveal more detail in the 3/4-Black tones.

Chuck



Jan 27, 2008 at 12:17 PM
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p.1 #9 · Spot Metering


Alan the way I take this is, I spot meter 2-4 things and the camera will pick the best exposer for the shot.
I was thinking this may work best when, I'm out on the lake and want to get a shot of the blue water and my son with his white shirt on with out blowing the white out, or having the water dark in color. These types of shots.
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This shot was taken with the 10D metered for the water and fill flash for my son.
Maby I'm better off using this method?
I'm trying to fully understand all means possible to get great shots
Thanks for all the help.
Ken.



Jan 27, 2008 at 12:39 PM
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p.1 #10 · Spot Metering


jkristaken wrote:
Alan the way I take this is, I spot meter 2-4 things and the camera will pick the best exposer for the shot.
I was thinking this may work best when, I'm out on the lake and want to get a shot of the blue water and my son with his white shirt on with out blowing the white out, or having the water dark in color.


http://super.nova.org/EDITS/080127Clipped.jpg

Here's your photo in Levels showing the channels which are clipping. Open in levels, hold down alt/opt key and click the highlight slider. Overall it looks like you did good job with overall balance, but the clipping of reds in the face tends to throw skintones out of whack in subtle ways which are difficult to see by eye. Clipping of the channels can be remediated to some degree by reducing saturation in that primary color. Note the difference in the skintone:

http://super.nova.org/EDITS/080127Saturation.jpg

I'm drifting a bit OT, but it illustrates the importance of WB for consistent exposure and skintones.


If taking that photo of the fish in Av mode, I'd adjust EC to minus to darken the ambient background. FEC adjustment would depend a great deal how the light reflects off the mirror-like fish in the center-foreground. More than likely it would fool the meter into calling for minimal flash, which would require a large amount to FEC to "second-guess" the camera.

In many cases with flash its simpler to use M mode that trying to chase after and correct the camera's initial guess.In situations like that where there are reflective objects in the scene likely to bounce excessive amounts of flash back, the best strategy is to take control manually:

Put camera in M mode: Select aperture for desired DOF. Adjust ambient via shutter by centering the meter needle (using HS flash or being cognizant of the x-sync limit). Use the flash in M mode. Dial in power level until the indicator is showing the distance to the foreground subject. Take a shot. Adjust from that baseline as needed.

Chuck



Edited on Jan 27, 2008 at 01:17 PM



Jan 27, 2008 at 12:58 PM
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p.1 #11 · Spot Metering


Chuck, thank you for your thorough explanations.



Jan 27, 2008 at 06:08 PM
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p.1 #12 · Spot Metering


cgardner, you're a bad man. i thoroughly enjoy reading your comments and links. most informative as usual.


Jan 27, 2008 at 10:18 PM





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