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p.3396 #1 · p.3396 #1 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


stevez wrote:
I believe it's best if we limit our discussion to the non-controversial: the sharing of our best photographic efforts to capture the magic of flight. It's why I'm here and I hope you agree.


Everyone here -- everyone -- knows I have strong views about politics and pretty much everything else. But much as I'm itching to pipe up on the subject, I'm going to recognize the wisdom of Steve's suggestion and keep quiet. Someday I'll even have a few more photos to share, too.



Nov 13, 2012 at 04:58 PM
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p.3396 #2 · p.3396 #2 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


anthonysemone wrote:
Hmmm, $92k and 300 miles+/- Now there's a cost-effective transportation solution


If you're like most people, and you need neither 200+ miles each day nor a 4.0-second sprint from zero to sixty, then you can very happily buy the Model S for $50K. You'll get a battery rated for max 160 miles, which in my real-world experience is enough for a comfortable 100 miles driven each day, with a good reserve to avoid any range anxiety.

The only USDOT study of which I am aware (check this link for details) says that only 8% of people in the USA drive more than 70 miles a day for work. I think it's safe to say that the other 92% of drivers still drive less than 100 total miles per day even after adding in trips to the post office, the supermarket, the movies, or taking the kids to school. So even the smallest battery pack has enough oomph for 90% of the population, or more. The only reason to buy more is (a) if you know you need that range or (b) you want the Performance version of the car.

Trust me, even the standard Model S is plenty fast. At 5.6 seconds from zero to sixty, it's faster than my twin-turbo 300HP BMW 335i convertible was (and that lighter, smaller car was known for performance but only managed a 5.9). And because essentially all the torque is available all the time, it responds instantly and the overall feeling of power, precision, and performance is much better than what the numbers would indicate. The Model S -- even the standard Model S -- actually makes the 335 seem slow to respond by comparison.

The fact that I can drive 200 miles for around $8, while my wife's BMW requires $55 to go the same distance, makes a $50,000 Model S actually a much cheaper car to own and operate than the $50,000 BMW 5-series sedan with which it's intended to compete.



Nov 13, 2012 at 05:22 PM
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p.3396 #3 · p.3396 #3 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


Only 8% may drive more than 70 miles, I do, 90 each day, but even if you only drive 10 miles, you may be stuck in traffic for a long time. 10 miles in CA may take two hours, bad time for a battery to go dead. I think the better mix is the hybrid with a small gas motor for when stuff like that happens.


Nov 13, 2012 at 06:31 PM
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Not to worry, Tim. The battery pack in any EV can run the climate control and all accessories for days or weeks. Moving several thousand pounds down the road absolutely swamps all other battery loads. EVs do very well in stop and go traffic, because stopping returns energy to the batteries and the motor doesn't use any energy when the car isn't moving. Their big advantage over hybrids is simplicity of the drivetrain and related control systems, which translates into lower maintenance costs over the life of the vehicle. EVs simply have way fewer moving parts.

Anyone who lives close to a Tesla store owes it to themselves to schedule a test drive. It's way better than any amusement park ride and will open your eyes to the possibilities. Or you could pay me a visit and I'll let you drive mine.



Nov 13, 2012 at 06:42 PM
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p.3396 #5 · p.3396 #5 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


I'll be right over Steve


Nov 13, 2012 at 07:08 PM
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Wrei wrote:
Steve, meet me, Ray. I have enjoyed my sales experience buying new cars at the dealership I have used since 1975. I have also referred 7-8 friends and relatives who have purchased multiple vehicles from this dealer. They have provided feedback to me about how much they enjoyed the purchase process and continue to return. One was a previous CFO for Ford Aerospace and another had a GM credit card for points. Oh, yeah, it's a Toyota dealership. Just to let you know.


I bought my first Toyota, a RAV4, in January 2011. I have to say, the sales guy I got just by luck of the draw resulted in probably the best car buying experience I ever had. I'd go back to him in a heartbeat, and I have referred folks to him.

But sitting in his cube, and listening to the other sales guys make their pitches to customers in the surrounding cubes, I realized how lucky I was. Because if I had drawn any of those other jerks, I would have walked out of there and not gone back.

Mark



Nov 13, 2012 at 07:18 PM
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p.3396 #7 · p.3396 #7 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


Your chariot awaits....



Nov 13, 2012 at 09:42 PM
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p.3396 #8 · p.3396 #8 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


You might have seen the recent photos of the Mosquito in NZ, in formation with a Vampire. Here's some video from inside the Mozzie cockpit on that flight:




Nov 13, 2012 at 11:19 PM
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p.3396 #9 · p.3396 #9 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


Nice "SeaBase" shot at the top Jo! Is it time to head to OSH yet?

Went and played with the AZANG this morning down in Tucson. An early edit:



Nov 14, 2012 at 12:01 AM
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p.3396 #10 · p.3396 #10 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


Sweet shot, Jay.


Nov 14, 2012 at 12:29 AM
 

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p.3396 #11 · p.3396 #11 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


Colin Giersberg wrote:
Sweet shot, Jay.


Gorgeous light!



Nov 14, 2012 at 12:37 AM
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p.3396 #12 · p.3396 #12 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


Thanks Gents...

Not a fan of shooting aluminum tubes, but when he's right in your kitchen...



Nov 14, 2012 at 01:02 AM
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p.3396 #13 · p.3396 #13 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


Dang .. Delta's gonna want that one !!


Nov 14, 2012 at 01:17 AM
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p.3396 #14 · p.3396 #14 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


cbrandt wrote:
Dang .. Delta's gonna want that one !!

+1 more like in your lap



Nov 14, 2012 at 01:27 AM
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p.3396 #15 · p.3396 #15 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


Kinda Obvious...



Nov 14, 2012 at 01:27 AM
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p.3396 #16 · p.3396 #16 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


Hind on a high speed arrival pass the evening before Airfest







Nov 14, 2012 at 01:29 AM
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p.3396 #17 · p.3396 #17 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


david russell wrote:
I'll be right over Steve


[tapping foot] I've been waiting here all afternoon...



Nov 14, 2012 at 01:37 AM
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p.3396 #18 · p.3396 #18 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


FlyingPhotog wrote:
Kinda Obvious...


...but still effective!



Nov 14, 2012 at 01:37 AM
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p.3396 #19 · p.3396 #19 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


stevez wrote:
[tapping foot] I've been waiting here all afternoon...



That whole not knowing-your-address thing got in the way. Got in a nice run though.



Nov 14, 2012 at 01:58 AM
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p.3396 #20 · p.3396 #20 · Mustang Air to Air: The Sequel


Crackin' Jay! It looks like the trip was worth it.


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