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p.1 #1 · Selling question


What are the dangers of selling gear through PP and the person uses his or her CC? I have a buyer from down under who is fairly new to the forums but he wants to buy my lens. He does have a great Ebay feedback

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Mike

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Dec 10, 2007 at 05:45 AM
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p.1 #2 · Selling question


I would tend to think he's cool and paypal is a good way to go. I've been buying other non-photo gear related items recently over the net, and I'm going off other forum info and ebay for feedback. While it is a bit nerve wracking, most people tend to have good hearts, but the ones that don't will really fry you. If the communication is good, and there's quite a few good reviews, I wouldn't worry too much.

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Dec 10, 2007 at 05:54 AM
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p.1 #3 · Selling question


Yeah I have sold to people in other Countries in the past bu most had a lot of forum feedback. This person has 89 all positive FB on the Ebay. He seems to be a good guy from what I am seeing

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Dec 10, 2007 at 05:58 AM
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p.1 #4 · Selling question


My impression is that if it goes sour (i.e. the guy gets his CC company to cancel the charge) Paypal will leave you high and dry with little to no recourse. Its one of the reasons I am hesitant to accept Paypal from folks I don't know, even here on FM. Google Checkout seems to have some fairly well defined guidelines to protect you against chargebacks and so far I've not heard of people getting screwed with Google Checkout so it would be my recommendation (along with the fact that you save the 3%).

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Dec 10, 2007 at 06:00 AM
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p.1 #5 · Selling question


I like selling through ebay better... people tend to like keeping those good ratings (even the sleazy Brooklyn camera stores), but if you get some PITA person on the B&S forum etc. you have no recourse. I've never had a bad ebay sale (purchase, yes).

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Dec 10, 2007 at 07:31 AM
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p.1 #6 · Selling question


Paypal does have some buyer protection program. If it worries you, let him make the PP payment via credit card and tell him that you will wait for the payment to clear with your bank (meaning you would withdraw the funds into your bank account and wait for it to show up).

Another thing is to make sure that the eBay account he linked you to is actually his. I would have him e-mail you something with that eBay account with a code word that both of you agree on.

I have yet to have any screws up with eBay or Paypal and I've used both quite a bit.

However, I did have an issue once with a money order because the bank actually LOST the money order and didn't want to give me my money for it.

Best of luck,

Jason

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Dec 10, 2007 at 08:17 AM
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p.1 #7 · Selling question


I'd opt for a wire TFR or use an escrow agent. Selling OS is no diff to selling in your own country.

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Dec 10, 2007 at 08:24 AM
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p.1 #8 · Selling question


Most of us ozzies are 100% honest even though we come from a convict background?

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Dec 10, 2007 at 08:33 AM
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p.1 #9 · Selling question


The problem with selling with paypal is that if the buyer stiffs paypal (ie uses a credit card that is stolen) then paypal will come looking for you to recoup their losses. They're fairly indiscriminate in how they do it too.

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Dec 10, 2007 at 12:10 PM
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p.1 #10 · Selling question


List it as Buy it Now on ebay and send him a link.
That is rather than not selling it to him at all.

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Dec 10, 2007 at 12:35 PM
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p.1 #11 · Selling question


What protection does EBay give you? I do not think any but the capability to leave negative feedback. Is there more?

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Dec 10, 2007 at 03:14 PM
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p.1 #12 · Selling question


When selling overseas and using Paypal, most addresses are NOT confirmed, so the seller is on shakey ground from the start. If somebody says XYZ is their Ebay ID, how do you know? I could pick any account and say that's my feedback. Things to remember -

1) Paypal costs more, 1% more, so factor that in.
2) Shipping overseas can be expensive - check the shipping cost first. I use the U.S. post office's "EMS" grade. Generally $30-$40 gets you anywhere in the world; insurance is expensive (adds ~$5 to $10 for most shipments).
3) EMS has full tracking - you need tracking to cover your @ss with Paypal.
4) The insured value MUST MATCH the stated value. You cannot declare an item as $10 and then insure is for $1000. Post office won't honor an insurance claim if the values don't match.
5) Declaring an item as a gift (when it's not) is a crime. Buyers often ask for this, so they are politely asking you to break the law.
6) If you think a cc payment may be flakey, sit on it for ~2 days to see if Paypal reverses it. I've had this happen twice.

For the record I've sold ~$15k of gear to overseas buyers. I've had 3 or 4 shipments drop off the radar for several weeks, but in the end they showed up. Customs in Canada and the U.K. and take a week or more, though Canada has been much better lately. With the dollar being so weak, international buyers are saving quite abit. Even with tariffs, it's still very cost effective.

It's very important to temper the buyers expectations regarding shipping time. Shipping time may only 5-7 business days, but customs can lengthen that process substantially. The EMS tracking shows when a package is sitting in customs. At least this way the buyer knows the delay isn't your fault.

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Dec 10, 2007 at 04:08 PM
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p.1 #13 · Selling question


darryn patch wrote:
Most of us ozzies are 100% honest even though we come from a convict background?


And that's where the accent comes from! British gone bad!

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Dec 10, 2007 at 04:31 PM
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p.1 #14 · Selling question


Mike,
I have never had a problem selling local or international, but I tend to only sell to people with a lot of feedback using PayPal. If the person is REALLY interested and you have an extra few days before you need the cash, accept the payment and let it clear, download it to your bank account and then document everything you do so you have proof that everything you did was on the up and up.
Matt

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Dec 10, 2007 at 04:32 PM
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p.1 #15 · Selling question


What protection does EBay give you?
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1/10th the messing around that goes on here, to sell something.
I love buying in the B&S forum here, but selling is never ending trouble.
I had 17 messages from a guy who couldn't decide to buy or not. After someone else bought the item, the guy sent me a two paragraph note about what a skunk I am.
Oh, and lowball offers for pennies on a dollar.

Dec 10, 2007 at 09:46 PM

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