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mike de arms
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p.1 #1 · What should i buy?


Hello, im an amateur photographer. i hope one day to become a profesional but il stick with what i do for now.....

any way...this is the only area in the forum that fit what i was trying to ask so here is my question

what camera should i buy?, im interested in photojournalism, potraits,
urban-landscapes (not sure if thats spelt write or what not) and landscapes in general. i wish also for my camera to be somewhat versitile and easy to use...here are my choices

-Nikon D40x
-Sony A100k Alpha
-Canon DRebel EOS XTI


my goal is to one day get a nikon D80 and then maybe later a D2X but the above choices is all i can afford now and I am not sure of nikons because the one i have now...(an old coolpix) is very bad...any comments on what i should buy including extra gear etc is very helpfull....thank you



Jun 13, 2007 at 11:59 PM
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p.1 #2 · What should i buy?


This is a much larger picture than just which body to get. You need to investigate your lens choices, and decide which glass you want to get to do the work you plan to do. Once you select the lenses you want, you pick the body that goes with them. It's the glass that you invest in and keep for a long time... bodies come and go like the seasons.

I'm a Canon shooter largely because they offer an exceptional range of lenses that will answer every need, and their support network is large and accessible even in my smaller community. They are also prominent in the sports photography arenas, which is a large part of what I shoot, so I bought into the system, and have never looked back. Also, at least for now, Canon are the only company offering full frame 35mm cameras in the digital markets, which could be a large consideration for your future needs.

I'd say that most of the replies here will lean to either Canon or Nikon, and those that favour one over the other will have strong opinions as to why to choose one over the other, but in the end, it's not the body that makes the image - it only records it for you. The operator is the creator of a good image, and the optics are what makes it possible.

One more thing to watch... if you went with the Rebel XTi, DON'T get the kit! The kit lens is an EF-S series lens, which will only work with the XT series up to the 30D. It will not work with the full frame 5D, or the 1D series cameras, so the lens is of little to no use once you outgrow the XT series body. Invest in good glass from the start, high end comsumer (EF) to the 'Luxury' (L) series in the Canon products will provide years of service and excellent image quality, and will retain value in both resale markets and in your own use, since the EF and EF L series lenses are universal to all Canon EOS bodies.

And don't let the old coolpix weigh your decision... Nikon's DSLR cameras are among the best in the industry, only a VERY small step behind Canon (IMHO).

Best wishes in your upcoming adventure.

Norm Wilson



Jun 14, 2007 at 12:33 AM
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p.1 #3 · What should i buy?


I wouldn't judge Nikon DSLRs by their current CoolPix lineup. Their SLRs are excellent, but their consumer cameras not so much (although their earlier ones, such as the CoolPix 990/995 were very good). Canon SLRs are also excellent. Sony's SLR has a little more noise than Nikon or Canon, but it does have built in stabilization, as does the Pentax K10D, and stabilization is a wonderful thing to have. Nikon/Canon have stabilization in the lens (at least at the moment).

Also, if you are on a tight budget, consider the Nikon D40; unless you make very large prints, you probably won't notice the difference in resolution between it and the D40x. And a D80 is close in price to the D40x, so if that is your goal, maybe save up a little more...





Jun 14, 2007 at 12:39 AM
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p.1 #4 · What should i buy?


BC_Shutterbug wrote:
One more thing to watch... if you went with the Rebel XTi, DON'T get the kit! The kit lens is an EF-S series lens, which will only work with the XT series up to the 30D. It will not work with the full frame 5D, or the 1D series cameras, so the lens is of little to no use once you outgrow the XT series body. Invest in good glass from the start, high end comsumer (EF) to the 'Luxury' (L) series in the Canon products will provide years of service and excellent image quality, and will retain value in
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I disagree. The kit lens may be cheap and EF-S only, but it is still a lens, and it is sufficient to find out what lenses he really wants. It is basically a freebie. And when it comes time to sell the camera, it is easier to sell it with a lens than without. By the time he gets a 5D or 1D (if he ever does - he might not), it will have been used for countless pictures.

That being said, don't skimp on lenses - they DO make a difference in the image quality, and with proper care, they'll outlast pretty much every camera one owns.

And don't let the old coolpix weigh your decision... Nikon's DSLR cameras are among the best in the industry, only a VERY small step behind Canon (IMHO).

In some ways yes, in other ways no. It all depends what mix of features one really wants.



Jun 14, 2007 at 12:50 AM
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p.1 #5 · What should i buy?


I feel sorry for the original poster. You guys (and perhaps myself?) are going to drive him freakin' nuts.

Anyway, you should probably try out each camera with a good prime lens (50mm 1.8 for Nikon, 50mm 1.4 for Canon) and take a look at the RAW files in whatever converter you have/will have. Or you can judge JPEGs, which wouldn't really tell you anything, other than what settings were set on each camera.

I mean, every DSLR in retail stores have shit lenses on them to begin with, so I wouldn't judge the image quality from just going around with your CF card and shooting random crap with kit lenses.

Take a look at the lineup of lenses from Canon and Nikon. Other than the fact that Canon has full-frame DSLRs, I really, really liked Canon lens lineup, which helped with my decision.



Jun 14, 2007 at 01:40 AM
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p.1 #6 · What should i buy?


the body is an expense; lenses are an investment. figure out which system you want long term and then get one good lens and the cheap body from that mfg. add quality lenses and the better body as you can afford it.

i chose canon because i had no lenses and figured canon had more R&D budget and would be more competitive over the long run. my best friend already had a bunch of good nikon glass so he went with the nikon digital body. i later discovered a pro and a con with my decision: canon wides are not very good but via adaptors i can use very good alternative lenses such as zeiss and leica.



Jun 14, 2007 at 07:46 AM
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p.1 #7 · What should i buy?


Once you have narrowed down your wish list, you should rent a couple of bodies and some quality glass to do some real comparisons in the field. There's no better way of telling what your going to get than a hands on test.

Pierre.



Jun 14, 2007 at 08:12 AM
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p.1 #8 · What should i buy?


also ... crop body versus full frame ... canon has the full frame and nikon crop body ... pros and cons ... many lenses are soft in the corners and with the crop body you don't see them. my buddy has the D2X and loves his 17-35 zoom but doesn't see the lousy corners above 25. the crop body solves the soft corner problem but creates another one - you need a 12mm to get an 18mm field of view and it is much harder to get a good 12 than an 18.

your list of interest above require the full spectrum, both wides and telephoto. if you were not interested in landscapes, i'd say consider nikon's cropped approach because it will be much easier to find good lenses if the corners are cropped.



Jun 14, 2007 at 08:17 AM
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p.1 #9 · What should i buy?


BC-Shutterbug is correct that you'll need to consider lens choices. Canon EF mount is the most adaptable mount in existence. Especially when on a budget, this makes a huge difference because there is lots of older manual focus glass that is superb and affordable.

With a Canon, you can mount lenses from:

-Canon (but not FD)
-Nikon F
-Olympus OM
-Pentax M42 and all other M42 mount lenses (and K as well, but the lens might need modification)
-Leica R
-Contax Carl Zeiss, Yashica, etc (C/Y mount)
-Some Contax N mount lenses can also be converted to EF with AF
-even some medium format lenses can be adapted
-and there's probably more but I can't remember

With a Nikon, you can mount Nikon F and M42, AFAIK.

I won't bother commenting on the Sony.

Beyond that, Canon's high ISO noise performance speaks for itself and they have the full frame option to move to when you are ready.



Jun 14, 2007 at 09:22 AM
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p.1 #10 · What should i buy?


Hello, Mike.

I'm a pro photographer from Barcelona, doing mostly fashion and product, and I use large and medium format as well as digital. When not working, I prefer art and infrared photography.

Buying the D40x is a very good idea, indeed. That's the camera that offers the most for its cost, and it has the latest technology: better high ISO performance than the D200, for example. Less noise.

As a Nikon user for 20 years, I recommend you to try Nikon. If you do, you won't leave.

Previous posts are right, what you should buy depends on what you want to do... The first time I was asked this same question, of course I answered what you did answer: I want to do everything...

Consider the price difference and the quality difference among best and common lenses by Nikon. Prime lenses have better image quality than zooms, better color and contrast, not only better sharpness. So you should consider seriously, first of all, to buy a normal prime lens. This is a lot more important than the body.

By the way, I buy used equipment constantly. Never had any problem with orders from Adorama and B&H.

Thinking of the D40x, the normal is a 35mm lens. It's easy to get a used one. Although manual focus is 90% of the time the best option, it's OK to have autofocus at hand for precise events.

You will need another lens: a zoom, to go from wide to short tele or portrait, and it could be the very inexpensive 18-70mm. I'd buy it used too. I'd buy the D40x used too, if I could.

With a D40x, a 35mm and a zoom, you can get professional images for full size magazine printing. Even if you buy any other more expensive body later, your D40x will be good enough for second body in pro shooting years from now. That's what you must keep in mind or you'll waste your money.

One more thing: a zoom includes different angles of view, what means different "lenses"... It's not just seeing things closer when you zoom, there's a huge change in volumes, space and expression: it's common to say that every photographer needs to learn -for years- to see and compose through camera; we never stop learning, and this is not possible with a zoom, because when you change focal length constantly, the brain receives a mix of angles of view that makes it difficult to understand photography and deeply know a lens and its personality.

So don't worry about the highest quality equipment. The truth is that best brands are close. In the case of a normal lens for the D40x, you can choose between Sigma 30mm, several Nikon 35mm and Zeiss 35mm. Best of them is of course and by far the Zeiss (manual only), but differences are small or none in normal size printing. At f5.6 or f8 they're almost the same. In the other hand, both Nikon (manual) and Sigma (auto) offer f1.4... More than useful for shooting wide open (worst aperture in any lens), f1.4 feels great for clear, precise focusing, and it's important, because it's a lens specification that you will enjoy every shot, all your life.

If you want to become a great and versatile photographer, don't go around with a zoom, at least that's the first advice you get when you start studying the six year career in photography. Even if you are not sure if photography will become your life, do yourself a favor and get a normal lens that gives you pro images when required, and allows you to become one with the camera after a constat two-dimensional view of the same lens in all kind of situations.

Hope this helps.




Jun 14, 2007 at 07:19 PM
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p.1 #11 · What should i buy?


wow......thank you for your replies i guess im going to rent the nikon and canon bodies and see which one i like better with the kit lense and then move on to something better since im confused on which one to get....... so many diffrent lenses now i just need to know which lense to buy...after i choose my body


Jun 14, 2007 at 09:24 PM
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p.1 #12 · What should i buy?


I think that J. Valdenebro is onto a good plan with the primes. You can get a basic Canon 50mm f1.8 prime for less than $100. On the 1.6 Crop Factor bodies like the XTi, 20D and 30D, it equates to an 80mm lens, nice for portraits and such. It's a really cheap starting point, and gives you a chance to learn the mechanics of taking quality pictures. Then, as your budget permits, you can add to your lens collection and then move to a new body when you're ready. Take your time! Grow your lenses smartly as you try new things, and focus on the skills that make the equipment you have work to get the images you want.

On another note, you can find some nice quality used 20D bodies for less than a new XTi, and then invest in a 50mm f1.4 (should be able to get both for less than $1,000). Another good starting point, and a great camera to learn with for a small investment.

Best wishes.
njw



Jun 14, 2007 at 09:32 PM
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p.1 #13 · What should i buy?


people, people, he is an amateur. let's stick to the basics with add on options. my 2 cents:
1. if you dream of getting a Nikon D80 & D2X someday then start by getting a Nikon D40 or even their D50. Both are quite good cameras to start off with.

2. Why you should ask, well the answer is easy. If you already own a Nikon camera with lens(es) then it will be quite easy to upgrade your camera since you can still use the same lens(es) that you were using with the previous Nikon body you own.

3. A 70-300mm lens might be nice to start off with or even the 28-200mm to capture the kinds of images you are interested in.

4. make sure to take your time at the camera store. hold the camera and lens in your hand, turn the camera on and look through the viewfinder to familiarize yourself with how the camera/lens combination feels.

5. as always, nothing beats prior research BEFORE you decide what to buy or visit the camera store. it is imperative that you have an idea as to what camera and lens you are interested in before you go to the camera store to buy.

Good luck and let me know how it turns out.

Cheers



Jun 15, 2007 at 12:55 PM
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p.1 #14 · What should i buy?


i have a new problem..ive been told the a d40x is more of a mix between a consumer camera and dslr....is this true?


Jun 16, 2007 at 09:04 PM
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p.1 #15 · What should i buy?


It is a consumer dSLR.

There are basically three levels of dSLRs; consumer, prosumer, and professional.

Considering that this is news to you, I would suggest continuing your research before buying one.




Jun 17, 2007 at 06:12 PM





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