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p.6 #1 · new Zeiss T/S lens

As these are Hasselblad lenses I dont see why not buy them with the HB mount and adapt them with a Mirex T/S or Zörk. The price of these will be high and it would make sense to use them on a Medium Format System and on a 135mm Camera

Sep 18, 2006 at 03:07 PM

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p.6 #2 · new Zeiss T/S lens

Stefan,

Will the lenses work with extenders like the 1.4x on Canon?

Sep 18, 2006 at 03:57 PM

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p.6 #3 · new Zeiss T/S lens

@bathman well what use will you have for a HB Mount lens if you only own a canon or Nikon Body ? and : How many Users of Hassis have left their beloved old Iron at home during the last years while they were shooting digital with their new 35mm body ? and last but certainly not least : the price for a new HB lens will be on Par or even higher than the Hartbleis, now add to that the price of the adapter and finally you´ll get something that does not work as well as the completely tuned Hartblei lens ? Does not make _any_ sense to me...........
Be honest - how much film did you shoot recently, lets say during the last year or so ?......................

@Doug - honestly: I do not know , I never tried this. But be assured that we even think about doing longer lenses as superrotators.

Stefan

Sep 18, 2006 at 11:21 PM

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Stefan Steib wrote:
@bathman well what use will you have for a HB Mount lens if you only own a canon or Nikon Body ? and : How many Users of Hassis have left their beloved old Iron at home during the last years while they were shooting digital with their new 35mm body ? and last but certainly not least : the price for a new HB lens will be on Par or even higher than the Hartbleis, now add to that the price of the adapter and finally you´ll get something that does not work as well as the completely tuned Hartblei lens ? Does not make _any_ sense to me...........
Be honest - how much film did you shoot recently, lets say during the last year or so ?......................

@Doug - honestly: I do not know , I never tried this. But be assured that we even think about doing longer lenses as superrotators.

Stefan

Remember the Hasselblad would also take MFDBs and the lenses can be adapted to other MF Cameras. -There are still plenty of photographers who use MF and invest in Digital Backs and that old iron does a good job for them.
T/S adapters offer more shift and are therefore attractive for people who do stitching.
If the prices are on par with a new HB lens, means around 4500-5500€ for the 40mm than you will have difficults to find clients IMO. You can have the whole lot of Canon T/S lenses for that

See, this is a Forum, we are critical people here, at least some, and we come here to learn and your comments are certainly appeciated. Now you are the first here telling us that T/S adapters dont work, tell us what is your experience with them?

When I am honest I say I have a bag with 50 filmrolls ready for holidays (which I probably will have to cancel, thats another story)

These lenses look very nice and Hartblei coming up with a decent 28mm would be another, great story

Sep 19, 2006 at 12:56 AM

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andi

first - I did not say shift and tilt adapters do not work. I said they do not work as good and seamless as an optimized solution which takes care for e.g. flare inside the mechanism,much more stable mechanics and resulting usability and overall pricing ..........

yes pricing, because not all people who want to use a D1sII want to use a Digiback anymore and invest into a complete parallel system, not anybody goes with the megapixel craze, at around 20 MP this whole discussion hits a wall and Backproducers already feel it- it becomes more and more difficult for them to show why to invest 25 or 30k $ instead of 6-7k$).

There´s even more behind the curtains: Hasselblad now pushes the H system, as many(lets say most) producers of Medium Format have gone out of business the question is what would an investment in V system lenses pay out in a medium time range...? Try to think strategic and stay strictly logical und you see what I want to say. It´s nice that you still like to shoot film but are you doing this on a privat or a business base..........?

second - Although this seems too much money for some there are lot of Pro people buying the special lenses like 1,8 200 or whatsoever you need for fashion or even to do that single job that might get you the attention of the agencies or customers. You may even think of lending it at a camerastore incase you need it just once.

I know that Hartblei changes the complete focus of customers from where it is to a new premium and highend area, this is astonishing for many and probably also disappointing for some which thought these crazy Ukrainians would go on with selling very good stuff too cheap (bargain superrotator....) but these guys in Kiev are doing a very good and special job , I think they also deserve a decent payment, which at the momentary status was not given. My Mission is to justify their excellent work with a raise in lifestandard and give customers worldwide an even better quality in return. I think it´s a fair deal.

Stefan www.hartblei.de

Sep 19, 2006 at 10:47 AM

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p.6 #6 · new Zeiss T/S lens

I just did a second poster as we had some discussions here about nudity on the booth ( I thought we live in the 21st century.....well....) so here´s the link:

This image is copyrighted by the owner

I hope you like it, it´s one of the samples that I think will drive the lifestyle and ads people nuts about these lenses.

Greetings from Munich

Stefan www.hartblei.de

Sep 19, 2006 at 01:42 PM

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Does anyone know how to use these lenses with a tube.... I've tried to put one
on a tube for macro work and the Canon Camera's will not fire the shutter and
I gett error 99....

I'm hoping I just need to tape the contacts on the tube...

The lens works fine on the Canon without the tube....

thanx

Sep 19, 2006 at 08:31 PM

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p.6 #8 · new Zeiss T/S lens

A lot nicer.. Do you have a product shot planned for advertising too (it seems to make sense as it demonstrates tilt, shift and sharpness to the right audience..)

Tim

Sep 19, 2006 at 09:52 PM

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kites4 wrote:
Does anyone know how to use these lenses with a tube.... I've tried to put one
on a tube for macro work and the Canon Camera's will not fire the shutter and
I gett error 99....

It is not a contact taping matter. Here's why- there is a small microswitch inside the camera lens mount opposite the release pin. When that pin is pressed in from a Canon lens or tube, the camera expects to get EXIF data from the lens. It can be either a Canon lens mounted direct, or a Canon lens mounted via an extension tube. When the exotics are used via an adapter, there obviously is no EXIF data available to send to the camera, so the CY/EOS, LeicaR/EOS etc,adapters, for those lenses has a ground out area as to not depress that micro switch. I cannot use my Contax or Leica lenses with my Canon extension tube as the tube does depress the microswitch, but the use of just the exotic via the adapter does not depress the switch.

Sep 19, 2006 at 09:59 PM

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p.6 #10 · new Zeiss T/S lens

@Kites + jjlphoto
get yourself a cheap set of tubes (got mine from ebay for 20 bucks made in china)
these work flawlessly on all of my digital canon bodies,can be screwed together and combined in different sizes. Not always is expensive the good stuff......

@tim
I have done a lot of different shots on cameras already but it´s quite funny there are only 2 perspektives that make halfways sense to show the t+s capabilities nearly directly from the side or nearly from the front of the lens. everything else will make look the lens either sickly torn of the body or you dont even see any movements. Best productshot is standing on the bajonett and all movements done. Well I still think about something else, but.......after photokina.

Sep 19, 2006 at 11:01 PM

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jjlphoto wrote:
kites4 wrote:
Does anyone know how to use these lenses with a tube.... I've tried to put one
on a tube for macro work and the Canon Camera's will not fire the shutter and
I gett error 01....

It is not a contact taping matter. Here's why- there is a small microswitch inside the camera lens mount opposite the release pin. When that pin is pressed in from a Canon lens or tube, the camera expects to get EXIF data from the lens. It can be either a Canon lens mounted direct, or a Canon lens mounted via an extension tube. When the exotics are used via an adapter, there obviously is no EXIF data available to send to the camera, so the CY/EOS, LeicaR/EOS etc,adapters, for those lenses has a ground out area as to not depress that micro switch. I cannot use my Contax or Leica lenses with my Canon extension tube as the tube does depress the microswitch, but the use of just the exotic via the adapter does not depress the switch.

John, Thats not the way my Canons work.... the lens pin is just there to lock the lens in place.... there are contacts that send the info to the camera from the lens but no micro switch.... I'm thinking that the Kinko tubes contacts are being shorted out with this lens attached...

thats why I'm asking... has anyone had the Kinko or Canon tubes on these
lenses and it didn't create a error 01...

Edited by kites4 on Sep 20, 2006 at 05:54 AM GMT

Edited by kites4 on Sep 20, 2006 at 05:55 AM GMT

Sep 20, 2006 at 02:30 AM

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I just tried the Kenko tubes with the 90 TSE, CZ 28 F2.8, and Oly 35 PC. Both non-canon lenses gave me err 01 after the shutter opened while the TSE was fine. One is a fotodiox and the other a kawamall adapter.

Same result with 3rd party teleconverter. Learn something everyday....

Doug

Sep 20, 2006 at 02:55 AM

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p.6 #13 · new Zeiss T/S lens

I tried my canon 2x convertor with my 24TS-E and it worked except for the fact I can't get infinity focus.The resolution was suprisingly good however.

Sep 20, 2006 at 06:00 AM

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p.6 #14 · new Zeiss T/S lens

I am able to take pictures with my Leica lenses on a Canon EF25 II on a 5D.

Sep 20, 2006 at 06:07 AM

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kites4 wrote:
John, Thats not the way my Canons work.... the lens pin is just there to lock the lens in place....

kites4- I believe it is different for different bodies. The microswitch on my 1Ds is not the lens locking pin. It is underneath the flange, and if looking at the face of the camera, the lens locking pin is at the 3:00 position, and the microswitch I made reference to is at the 10:00 position. This is a known problem with that and some other bodies when using non-Canon lenses, that is why the adapters have either a shortened flange in that position, or simply a semi-circular cutout of the flange in that position so it stops short and does not activate that switch. (I just don't know what other bodies have that feature.)

Sep 20, 2006 at 01:45 PM

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greetings from the Munich Oktoberfest - just a shot to show what happens if you use the 40mm IF Hartblei-Zeiss Superrotator as a "normal" lens. Heavy tripod used, 5D 50ASA(L) ,F16 about 4 sec.exposure.is scaled down a lot, the original is spectacular. You can even read stuff inside of the ticket selling counter..........

Stefan www.hartblei.de

Sep 21, 2006 at 01:48 PM

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p.6 #17 · new Zeiss T/S lens

Dear Stefan,

I don't know if it is technically possible, but what about a super wide tilt shift? 20-24mm at least f/3.5... that would be wonderful.

Sep 21, 2006 at 05:19 PM

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p.6 #18 · new Zeiss T/S lens

Stephan, How much are the lenses going to cost

Thanx

Sep 21, 2006 at 05:54 PM

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p.6 #19 · new Zeiss T/S lens

jade and kites4, the answers to your questiosn are in the previous pages of this thread.

Sep 21, 2006 at 06:08 PM

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marcwilson wrote:
jade and kites4, the answers to your questiosn are in the previous pages of this thread.

Thanx Marc, Can you tell me either the previous page number where the actual cost is listed or do you know the cost
of the lens and can just reply with that info ??

I've gone to all the sites and have not found the info...

Sep 21, 2006 at 09:19 PM

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