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p.2 #1 · The 30D is not an upgrade!!!


The 30D is a body that builds upon an already superb Camera.

If things ain't broke, don't fix 'em. Like another member just said, if you want a 1-series body then shell the beans and BUY a 1-series body. Crying about it ain't gonna change a thing.



Feb 25, 2006 at 12:07 PM
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p.2 #2 · The 30D is not an upgrade!!!


giggsy wrote:
I don't understand why spot-metering, ISO in viewfinder and 1/3 increments were'nt in the original 20d. They are in the 1D Mk II which came first so why put it in the 30D now?


I've worked in product design and development and a company must draw the line somewhere in order to get their product to market. So many variables play a part in it, including competition, timing for the trade shows, marketing, costs, production, testing, software development, distribution, etc. The specs for a replacement camera are probably made six months after its release, maybe even sooner. Some features are added later as the tech becomes available, but it's not always possible to fit in their timeline so it's held off till the replacement's replacement, or pushed up the product line to a camera which has a longer timeline before release.

In the situation with the release of the Nikon D200, it may be one year to a year and a half for Canon to have a competitor in the market. It would be an absolute miracle for them to have it all done in less than six months like every 20D/10D/D60/D30 user was hoping for.



Feb 25, 2006 at 03:07 PM
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p.2 #3 · The 30D is not an upgrade!!!


If the 30 had been an upgrade in the times of film nobody would have complained about it being a minor upgrade. A spotmeter for instance has been a good reason to upgrade for many T70 users to upgrade to T90 models. The point is we have a revolutionary phase of the camera industry just behind us. The revolution of going digital coming from film. But really, a spotmeter is a major upgrade by itself . I use it for over 50% of my photography (shooting 1DmkII) and it would make me switch to 30D instantly if I owned a 20D. Also don't underestimate the bigger screen, I mean the 1DmkIIN is tempting to me for that reason. Not to mention having the ISO in the viewfinder and some other "minor" refinements. For the average amateur there may not be enough extra in the 30D, but my bet is the 30D is a more attractive upgrade to many serious photographers working with a 20D or one of it's predecessors than some of the previous posters suggested.

Anyway, have EOSfun, either 20D, 30D or whatever EOS you are shooting with!



Feb 25, 2006 at 04:37 PM
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p.2 #4 · The 30D is not an upgrade!!!


Marc04 wrote:
Let's see, spot metering, iso in viewfinder, 1/3 stop ISO increments,selectable shooting speed in continuous drive mode, huge lcd.

Which of these are not major improvements? How many times have we seen posts of people crying to Canon to add these features in a consumer dslr? Now we've got them available.

Did you happen to notice all of these improvements come at a lower introductory price than the 20D?

If you want 1 series features, you're gonna have to buy a 1 series.

Marc



I think the problem is that half the upgrades could be accomplished with a firmware upgrade, and yet Canon released it as a new model number.

When they did the same thing to the 1DmkII, they had the decency to call it the 1DMkIIn



Feb 25, 2006 at 05:01 PM
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p.2 #5 · The 30D is not an upgrade!!!


It is called a new model number because the body shape is not identical, as it was with the 1 series upgrade. It is a new camera, just with the same sensor.


Feb 25, 2006 at 06:00 PM
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p.2 #6 · The 30D is not an upgrade!!!


If the 30D's AF routines are "significantly" better, that *might* be a selling point for 20D owners. The rest of the new "features" aren't that big of a deal.

1) Spot metering: with digital, this feature is much less handy than with film. Use exposure bracketing if you really need to, or better yet, shoot RAW and as long as you are close, everything is cool. More *dynamic range* would have been a true "upgrade."

2) ISO in 1/3 stop increments: I have never felt limited in any way by the full stop increments on the 20D because everything is pretty much usable except 3200 (but even that isn't *that* bad). The 1/3 stop increments on my 1D are much more useful, because noise tends to be more of an issue. I think people will find themselves turning this one off in custom functions, as it'll become annoying flipping through all the 1/3 stops.

3) ISO in the viewfinder: I tend to be fairly aware of what ISO I'm using and my brain still does a fairly good job at remembering. I can't see how having it always staring at me would help in the least. Are their really enough simpletons out there who go around on a sunny day shooting at ISO 1600 because they "can't see it in their viewfinders" to make this a "great feature." Or is it so you can change ISO "on the fly"? No, it can't be that, because it's not like you can snap photos *while* you are changing the ISO, so what the hell is the point of looking in the viewfinder?

4) Bigger LCD: the 20D's LCD is sufficient to check for blown highlights and focus. Why does it need to be any bigger? It's a "nice-to-have" I guess, but not a reason to upgrade. I suppose when the firmware includes Photoshop it'll come in handy...

5) Deeper buffer: With a Sandisk Extreme III card in my 20D, I don't find myself waiting for it very often at all. Would buffering 11 RAWs instead of 6 be nice to have. I guess so, but again, not a reason for most 20D owners to upgrade, considering that it takes only a few seconds to empty its buffer and start shooting again. If someone really needs high end buffering, they'll likely also need a higher end AF system and move directly to a 1D series.

So, is the 30D a piece of sh!t? No. How could it be, considering that it is basically a 20D? I don't think anyone has said it is a POS.

The consensus has been that for 20D owners, the 30D doesn't present much of an upgrade appeal, but for D30, D60, 10D, 300D and maybe even 350D owners the 30D is a great choice.

Well, the 30D is a great choice for these people, but they really aught to look at the price difference between a 20D and a 30D (we still don't know what that will be) and consider that they will get 90% of the features of a 30D if they buy a 20D, and they should also keep in mind tha only two of the 30D's "extra features" are "nice to haves" and the rest is just marketing. Oh, I forgot about the direct print button

This may all change if the 30D ends up having a significantly better AF system, but something tells me Canon didn't put too much effort into it.


Edited by cogitech on Feb 25, 2006 at 10:03 PM GMT



Feb 25, 2006 at 09:29 PM
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p.2 #7 · The 30D is not an upgrade!!!


Wow, I did not know about the revised body shape! The 20D quickly becomes tiresome and then painful to hold. I hope the 30D is better.

EB



Feb 25, 2006 at 09:55 PM
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p.2 #8 · The 30D is not an upgrade!!!


EB-1 wrote:
Wow, I did not know about the revised body shape! The 20D quickly becomes tiresome and then painful to hold. I hope the 30D is better.

EB





Feb 25, 2006 at 10:05 PM
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p.2 #9 · The 30D is not an upgrade!!!


The 30D has a soft-touch shutter button. Call me crazy, but I'd upgrade just for that. I hate that little click in the middle.


Feb 25, 2006 at 10:07 PM
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p.2 #10 · The 30D is not an upgrade!!!


cogitech wrote:


That was not meant to be sarcastic. I am serious.

EB



Feb 25, 2006 at 10:13 PM
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p.2 #11 · The 30D is not an upgrade!!!


Gino02GT wrote:
The 30D has a soft-touch shutter button. Call me crazy, but I'd upgrade just for that. I hate that little click in the middle.


Yep, crazy.



Feb 25, 2006 at 10:17 PM
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EB-1 wrote:
That was not meant to be sarcastic. I am serious.

EB


I'd really pitty you if you had to use a 350D then.

You aught to try the 20D with the grip. People say it is ugly and what not, but my wife and I find it gives balance and comfort.



Feb 25, 2006 at 10:20 PM
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p.2 #13 · The 30D is not an upgrade!!!


Is this a serious post or is this a total joke


Feb 25, 2006 at 10:34 PM
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p.2 #14 · The 30D is not an upgrade!!!


The larger viewfinder is vastly overrated, I find it fairly worthless.


Feb 25, 2006 at 10:42 PM
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p.2 #15 · The 30D is not an upgrade!!!


I'm waffling on whether I want the 30D but I figure if I keep doing that my money will be still in my pocket if/when the inevitable Digic III makes it's way to a 1.6 crop camera, which is what I'm really interested in.

I can waffle for a loooooong time as I've proven by waffling, and waiting, and comparing, for years over the jump to digital until I felt DSLR IQ was adequate for my needs in an affordable body. So, over the last year I bought a 20D and some glass (consumer EF, EF-S, and L). But if I hadn't jumped then I'd be all over the 30D now especially knowing what I know about the 20D IQ.

I'm fairly certain that when I'm ready, the new features of the 30D (which I happen to like) will still be available on the 40D or 50D or whatever, and most likely a few more.

In the meantime, the IQ of my 20D hasn't changed and I'll just carry on with it, my F1s and A1s.

Waffles anyone?




Feb 26, 2006 at 12:16 AM
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Natron wrote:
Is this a serious post or is this a total joke



kind of a joke.....but FROM CANON!



Feb 26, 2006 at 01:50 AM
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franzdom wrote:
The larger viewfinder is vastly overrated, I find it fairly worthless.


yeah!

a 27" TV is better than 19"..........



Feb 26, 2006 at 01:52 AM
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p.2 #18 · The 30D is not an upgrade!!!


Making something already good a little better is not a great achievement.....

Thanks Canon!



Feb 26, 2006 at 02:00 AM
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p.2 #19 · The 30D is not an upgrade!!!


I bought a Nikon F601 about 13 years ago. I didn't have this fascination 18 months later to go out and buy the next model.

I bet I could go through the list of 20D owners here and look up their posts and read how they think the 20D was the best thing since slice bread. Its still the same camera.

So some people aren't going to buy the next camera. Whoopy Doo. I don't think Canon's going to worry about that. They'll pick up sales from new customers... people who 'didn't' buy the 20D second hand from someone else.

The 30D is now the PERFECT camera, for this market. Remember to tell yourself... 'I am still an amateur!'



Feb 26, 2006 at 03:31 AM
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nikt wrote:
I bought a Nikon F601 about 13 years ago. I didn't have this fascination 18 months later to go out and buy the next model.

I bet I could go through the list of 20D owners here and look up their posts and read how they think the 20D was the best thing since slice bread. Its still the same camera.

So some people aren't going to buy the next camera. Whoopy Doo. I don't think Canon's going to worry about that. They'll pick up sales from new customers... people who 'didn't' buy the 20D second hand from someone else.

The 30D is
...Show more


NO.....is not the perfect camera....the Nikon D200.....OK! is the CAMERA!
so if Canon match the Nikon with a new sensor and new resolution we get going........CANON HAS TO MATCH THE NIKON OR MORE!
not just to BS the 20D.with little crap.



Feb 26, 2006 at 03:54 AM
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