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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Canon big whites on A7Rii with MC-11


Hard to find information on this topic. I'm specifically interested if the Canon EF 200-400 F4L IS EX works when the extender is engaged. I have the A7Rii and MC-11 coming in a couple of days, so if no replies I'll post my results.


May 07, 2017 at 08:20 PM
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From what I have read, the longer lenses tend to have more problems acquiring focus.


May 07, 2017 at 08:30 PM
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I've heard that the Sigma 150-600mm C lenses works relatively well. I'll do a comparison and report back when my gear arrives. I have both lenses, so not a problem.

TheEmrys wrote:
From what I have read, the longer lenses tend to have more problems acquiring focus.





May 07, 2017 at 09:21 PM
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I will be interested in your findings with the 2-4.


May 07, 2017 at 09:36 PM
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I will try to go on Thursday to an event here in town "Long Lens Day" where there will be a lot of Canon telephoto lenses to try. I intend to bring the A6300 and A7RII with me.

Regarding the newly price drop for the MC-11, I haven't seen that reach Europe yet. Anyone has? It's still under a month that I bought mine so I could still return it or get the price match, if I find it discounted here.



May 08, 2017 at 01:17 PM
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I tried the Canon 100-400 II with the MC-11 on the A7RII. At the short end it's OK, at 400mm, it needs to be bright and only the center point works in any decent manner. As least that was my experience. I wouldn't brother to use it to track anything moving, unless it's a turtle...


May 08, 2017 at 01:59 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Canon big whites on A7Rii with MC-11


I posted my experience in this thread here: https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1453361/0 and I posted quite a bit of images on the Nature & Wildlife board as well. I hope this helps.


May 08, 2017 at 02:05 PM
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Wow, your images are outstanding! Very encouraging. I'm hoping the 200-400 performs as well. I'll post my experiences when my gear arrives.

AGeoJO wrote:
I posted my experience in this thread here: https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1453361/0 and I posted quite a bit of images on the Nature & Wildlife board as well. I hope this helps.





May 08, 2017 at 02:19 PM
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dhachey wrote:
Wow, your images are outstanding! Very encouraging. I'm hoping the 200-400 performs as well. I'll post my experiences when my gear arrives.



Thank you and yes, please do post your results here. I am not saying one way or the other but technically, the MC-11 is designed to work on Sigma Global Vision lenses. Sigma actually puts a label right at the mount "Designated Sigma lenses only" but it may still work. As matter of fact, I know selected Canon lenses work just fine on the MC-11. You have to try it out yourself, whether it works on yours, BTW, I do not have any interest whatsoever but I thought I mention that to you.



May 08, 2017 at 02:27 PM
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arbitrage wrote:
I will be interested in your findings with the 2-4.


Geoff, after a quick try I can say that the 2-4 works in AF-S and AF-C modes and the AF locks on reasonably quickly, but probably not for BIF. I'll try to check the BIF capability and get back to you. As others have reported, the Canon lenses don't work in all modes. I haven't tried eye AF and all the other functions, but it seems to work as well as the Sigma global vision lenses I have (50mm f/1.4 and 150-600mm C). I'm charging up the two batteries that Sony ships, and afterwards I'll try to do a more comprehensive review. After just a few minutes with the A7Rii, I kind of like it. The body fits my hand better than my Fuji X-T2, and the ergonomics work well for me.

Stay tuned for more...




May 09, 2017 at 03:02 PM
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Anyone tried this combo with the Alpha 6500? How about the A9?


May 10, 2017 at 04:11 PM
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Exactly, how about the A9?


May 10, 2017 at 04:38 PM
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lightskyland wrote:
Anyone tried this combo with the Alpha 6500?


This is a cross post from the APS-C thread:

a6500 with a Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II USM @120mm | 1/1600 | f/3.2 | ISO 2000
http://www.maloneactionshots.com/img/s5/v123/p2317891540-4.jpg

a6500 with a Canon EF 400mm f/2.8L IS USM @400mm | 1/800 | f/2.8 | ISO 6400
http://www.maloneactionshots.com/img/s4/v67/p2317891547-4.jpg

The 70-200 was much faster but the 400mm was doable. As long as you did not have to switch it quickly to another subject it tracked just fine.

Edited on May 11, 2017 at 12:51 PM · View previous versions



May 10, 2017 at 08:17 PM
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Thanks!


May 11, 2017 at 08:26 AM
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So I just came back from a "Long Lens Demo Day" here in Stockholm.

Tried the following Canon lenses on A7RII and A6300 with the MC-11 (latest FW):
200-400/TC
400/2.8 II
500/4 II
800/5.7
300/4
400/5.6
100-400 II
70-300 (nano usm)

To be honest, I would never use this professionally. It just isn't reliable. Not just talking focus accuracy but the simple adapter is glitchy: stops focusing, freezes the camera, hangs up, etc.

When it works, it can work great on moving things (if they are big things, like a boat or an airplane, which there were plenty off passing by) or for shooting portraits.

But for BIF, it was almost missing impossible. Sometimes it would lock in but most of the time it didn't. It would do better with the 400/2.8 than any other, WO.

After this, I am actually returning my MC-11 since it hasn't been a month yet. I wanted to keep it for the TS-E lenses but it drains a ridiculous amount of battery (even though those lenses are totally manual focus and with no IS). Today with the big guns, it drained a full battery in about 30 min, which I never thought would be possible.

My advice, save some money for the GM100-400 or the for sure to soon be released 300/2.8 or 500/4 in E-mount.

I'm really interested in seeing how the A9 will change this, especially when Sony is claiming that the A9 will focus quicker and better Canon glass than a Canon body. I took some shots with the Canon 1Dx that was there for use and it was just dead on, even on the smallest BIF.

Just my opinion though. I do not shoot BIF. I just went out of curiosity.

I'll have a look at the shots I got later today and can upload them on Dropbox for sharing.





May 11, 2017 at 11:42 AM
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nampramos wrote:
So I just came back from a "Long Lens Demo Day" here in Stockholm.

Tried the following Canon lenses on A7RII and A6300 with the MC-11 (latest FW):
200-400/TC
400/2.8 II
500/4 II
800/5.7
300/4
400/5.6
100-400 II
70-300 (nano usm)

To be honest, I would never use this professionally. It just isn't reliable. Not just talking focus accuracy but the simple adapter is glitchy: stops focusing, freezes the camera, hangs up, etc.

When it works, it can work great on moving things (if they are big things, like a boat or an airplane, which there were plenty off passing by) or for shooting portraits.

But for BIF, it was
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Isn't it just your mc-11or the mc-11 in general which isn't working correctly? My Metabones IV adapter doesn't drain the battery, doesn't lock up or freezes te camera and with my 400/5.6 is actually very usable. I took some big BIF with it and it worked ok. (on the A6300 that is, not on my A7)



May 11, 2017 at 03:06 PM
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nampramos wrote:
So I just came back from a "Long Lens Demo Day" here in Stockholm.

Tried the following Canon lenses on A7RII and A6300 with the MC-11 (latest FW):
200-400/TC
400/2.8 II
500/4 II
800/5.7
300/4
400/5.6
100-400 II
70-300 (nano usm)

To be honest, I would never use this professionally. It just isn't reliable. Not just talking focus accuracy but the simple adapter is glitchy: stops focusing, freezes the camera, hangs up, etc.

When it works, it can work great on moving things (if they are big things, like a boat or an airplane, which there were plenty off passing by) or for shooting portraits.

But for BIF, it was
...Show more

Thanks Nuno. I pretty much agree, reliability of focus at longer focal lengths is the problem. Below about 300mm, the MC-11 works much better. My testing of a variety of Canon lenses from 16-35mm to 70-200 F4 and F2.8 versions all worked very well for me. AF was spot on, unless the light was really crappy. The Sigma lenses I have work about as well as my Canon glass. I plan to buy more Sigma glass as they are superb optics, so a huge advantage for me is having image stabilization where none existed before.

I'm keeping the MC-11 to use with my shorter focal length Canon lenses (<200mm) and will continue to use my Canon gear for wildlife and BIF work. BTW, I really like the Sony A7Rii. Look for some Fuji X-T2 gear to show up on the B&S forum soon. I like the Fuji, but I can't justify keeping two sets of lenses.



May 11, 2017 at 03:12 PM
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I had two Metabones before which drained even more battery.

Like I said, this is my opinion. Some will be fine with the lens hunting from time to time or the camera freezing up. If you shoot just for the kicks, then why not, especially if you already have the Canon glass.

Shooting boats and commercial airplanes isn't really a though thing to do. With little practise you do that in manual focus.

I didn't have the time to upload the photos from today yet but will do so tomorrow. Dump them all in a folder and share it here. You can take your conclusions. EXIF will be preserved so you can see which lens it was.

I'd say the A6300 did a better job than the A7RII.



May 11, 2017 at 03:26 PM
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My reply to "nampramos" summarizes my testing of the A7Rii/MC-11 combination, but here are some test shots with EF 200-400mm F4L IS EXT and Sigma 150-600mm C lenses. The test images were shot at ~600mm outdoors, in good light, at about 30 ft distance on a tripod with IS engaged. The Canon would frequently (but not always) hunt for focus and rack focus from end to end. The Sigma lens behaved much better, but it wasn't great. When it achieved focus the Canon lens was optically superior (no surprise) to the Sigma, but not by a huge amount. The Canon lens was also more consistent in IQ when it achieved focus lock. No sharpening was applied to images shown here, but I should add that images from the Sony sensor sharpen up better than my Canon bodies (5D3 and 1D X), so the extra pixels really help. The crop from the Sigma lens is probably a bit better than average, and is virtually identical to the Canon crop shown here.

I don't think the MC-!! is really useful in a practical sense for wildlife and BIF work with long Canon lenses. When it works, it works very well, but it isn't reliable enough for my needs. I would welcome comments from others, especially with regards to other Sigma telephoto lenses.

I should add, no whiskey was consumed during testing.



© DHachey 2017


Test image full frame, Canon EF 200-400mm







100% crop from Canon 200-400mm test, no sharpening applied







100% crop from Sigma 150-600mm test, so sharpening applied




May 11, 2017 at 03:37 PM
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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · Canon big whites on A7Rii with MC-11


i own right now the a7r2, a6300 and a6500, with both the sigma mc11 and the metabones IV (both latest firmware) and the canon 100-400 II and 300mm 2.8 IS , both lenses work very good even in AF-C with the MC11 , i always use center focusing...
nampramos , are you sure you had selected Phase Detect AF?
i didnt experience hangups or similar things (at least not very common or that i can recall) in fact this last mont i switched from metabones to mc11 for a/b comparision and i found it very equal , and the sigma adapter mount doesnt wobble....
on the other hand... of course the FE 100-400 GM would be even better



May 11, 2017 at 06:34 PM
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