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Archive 2013 · 45mm & 90mm TS-E, with 1.4X Extender
  
 
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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · 45mm & 90mm TS-E, with 1.4X Extender


The madness continues!

I've been wanting to complete my TS-E collection for some while now, and finally accomplished that goal. Along with having the four lenses is the need/desire for the EF 1.4X Extender II (or any other version, they all seem to work well with the TS-E lenses as far as I've seen). A 2X Extender will work too, but. . . why?

Now the hard work of cataloging the effects of the lens angle of view and IQ alone, and as influenced by the Extender.

The subjects are all simple outdoor scenes (sorry Carsten, if you are looking in) around my house.

I'll start with the 45 alone, which provides the widest angle, then the 45 + 1.4X (63mm equiv.), then 90 alone, and finally 90 + 1.4X for the narrowest angle of view (126mm equiv.). So, the focal lengths provided by using the 1.4X are: 45mm, 63mm, 90mm, 126mm. A very nice range.

I've tried to make some adjustments to the color, but I've noticed some shifting between the 45 and the 90, and another slight shift using the 1.4X on both. Nothing extreme or out of the ballpark, but a challenge to eyeball for correction. Other PP included exposure, sharpening and check box for CA correction (none really needed on the 90, but the 45 benefits). All shots hand held.

No tilt or shift was used in any of the shots. Another time!

As you will see, resolution is pretty good even on the edge of the frame with the 45 + 1.4X -- see the tag on the cushion of the chair (further down the thread) -- completely readable in the original file.






  Canon EOS-1Ds Mark III    TS-E45mm f/2.8 lens    45mm    f/8.0    1/640s    200 ISO    -0.7 EV  






  Canon EOS-1Ds Mark III    TS-E45mm f/2.8 lens    45mm    f/8.0    1/125s    200 ISO    -0.3 EV  






  Canon EOS-1Ds Mark III    TS-E90mm f/2.8 lens    90mm    f/8.0    1/640s    200 ISO    -0.7 EV  






  Canon EOS-1Ds Mark III    TS-E90mm f/2.8 lens    90mm    f/8.0    1/160s    200 ISO    -0.3 EV  



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May 15, 2013 at 09:38 PM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · 45mm & 90mm TS-E, with 1.4X Extender


Here's another set: 45, 63, 90, 126.






  Canon EOS-1Ds Mark III    TS-E45mm f/2.8 lens    45mm    f/8.0    1/320s    200 ISO    -0.7 EV  






  Canon EOS-1Ds Mark III    TS-E45mm f/2.8 lens    45mm    f/8.0    1/100s    200 ISO    -0.7 EV  






  Canon EOS-1Ds Mark III    TS-E90mm f/2.8 lens    90mm    f/8.0    1/200s    200 ISO    -0.7 EV  






  Canon EOS-1Ds Mark III    TS-E90mm f/2.8 lens    90mm    f/8.0    1/80s    200 ISO    -0.7 EV  




May 15, 2013 at 09:43 PM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · 45mm & 90mm TS-E, with 1.4X Extender


Here's a last set of four.




  Canon EOS-1Ds Mark III    TS-E45mm f/2.8 lens    45mm    f/8.0    1/400s    200 ISO    -0.7 EV  






  Canon EOS-1Ds Mark III    TS-E45mm f/2.8 lens    45mm    f/8.0    1/160s    200 ISO    -0.7 EV  






  Canon EOS-1Ds Mark III    TS-E90mm f/2.8 lens    90mm    f/8.0    1/320s    200 ISO    -0.7 EV  






  Canon EOS-1Ds Mark III    TS-E90mm f/2.8 lens    90mm    f/8.0    1/100s    200 ISO    -0.7 EV  




May 15, 2013 at 09:50 PM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · 45mm & 90mm TS-E, with 1.4X Extender


Here are two examples, one from the 45 + 1.4X, and one from the 90 + 1.4X, along with a 100% detail for each.






  Canon EOS-1Ds Mark III    TS-E45mm f/2.8 lens    45mm    f/8.0    1/250s    200 ISO    -0.3 EV  











  Canon EOS-1Ds Mark III    TS-E90mm f/2.8 lens    90mm    f/5.6    1/640s    200 ISO    -0.7 EV  








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May 15, 2013 at 09:53 PM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · 45mm & 90mm TS-E, with 1.4X Extender


Wrapping up, here is a little gallery of 90mm TS-E + 1.4X. Slightly more PP was done here, including minor contrast and clarity, and shadow and highlight adjustment.






  Canon EOS-1Ds Mark III    TS-E90mm f/2.8 lens    90mm    f/8.0    1/200s    200 ISO    -0.7 EV  






  Canon EOS-1Ds Mark III    TS-E90mm f/2.8 lens    90mm    f/5.6    1/400s    200 ISO    0.0 EV  






  Canon EOS-1Ds Mark III    TS-E90mm f/2.8 lens    90mm    f/5.6    1/250s    200 ISO    -0.7 EV  






  Canon EOS-1Ds Mark III    TS-E90mm f/2.8 lens    90mm    f/8.0    1/320s    200 ISO    -0.7 EV  






  Canon EOS-1Ds Mark III    TS-E90mm f/2.8 lens    90mm    f/5.6    1/320s    200 ISO    0.0 EV  




May 15, 2013 at 09:58 PM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · 45mm & 90mm TS-E, with 1.4X Extender


That cat thinks you're crazy.


May 15, 2013 at 11:31 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · 45mm & 90mm TS-E, with 1.4X Extender


Cool stuff!

I think I read that Canon is working on updating the 45 and 90 TSE lenses. I own the 45 but have rented the 90, so I am quite used to both. The 90 has slightly better IQ in my book. I just purchased the new 17 TSE.

The 45 TSE is a really fun lens. It can act as a wide lens in given situations. Its easier to create that "miniature look" if that is your thing. Some wedding photographers love this lens. I find it useful to shoot architecture when you can get back a bit and want to avoid wide lens distortion.

The fact that you can use a 1.4x TE sort of means you have zoom capability, especially if you own multiple TSE lenses.

Which really gets to the crux of buying your first TSE lens. Once you by one you will soon find you want more...



May 16, 2013 at 01:06 AM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · 45mm & 90mm TS-E, with 1.4X Extender


I've never tried the 45 TSE but the 90 TSE I own is tack sharp with great contrast.
Thanks for posting these samples Jim! I never thought of adding extenders to this lens.
Fred



May 16, 2013 at 02:09 AM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · 45mm & 90mm TS-E, with 1.4X Extender


Thank you very much for all the test shots. I know that it takes lots of time and is tougher to do than it looks from afar. Much appreciated. Scott


May 16, 2013 at 03:10 AM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · 45mm & 90mm TS-E, with 1.4X Extender


I am not a pro food shooter but a number of years ago I had the assignment to shoot an extensive lists of food shots for a local three restaurant chain in Seattle. I decided to rent the 90 TSE. I am so glad I did. I used it with with my Canon extension tube for about half the images. Being able to use tilts, extension tubes and different aperture settings all with the same lighting in quick succession gave me so many choices to chose from. The experience got my hooked on TSE lenses. I then found a great price on a 45 TSE which I have really enjoyed over the years...


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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · 45mm & 90mm TS-E, with 1.4X Extender


Thanks folks! Glad to provide the comparisons. Today was much easier to pull off in my back and front yard with flat tables and surfaces, using one camera and two lenses plus Extender! (Yesterday was on location with three bodies and one lens and Extender -- what a juggling act for standing changes out of a camera bag!)

PhotoMax -- Thanks for your experiences. Yes, it is very much a TS-E "super-zoom range". Considering being able to use all the sensor sizes in combination with 1.4X brings the useful equivalent range to 17mm - 202mm (90mm with 1.4X on 1.6X APS-C sensor!).

Other contributors or requests welcome.

Fred -- Thanks a lot! I'm honored to find a little-explored niche to delve into. I suspect extenders are mainly limited by clearance issues, primarily the depth of the rear lens element, but also lens diameter clearance in the rear of the lens. All TS-E work with the 1.4X II, so I expect the other Extenders will too. Nice to know we have this flexibility.



May 16, 2013 at 03:46 AM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · 45mm & 90mm TS-E, with 1.4X Extender


Gunzorro wrote:
I've tried to make some adjustments to the color, but I've noticed some shifting between the 45 and the 90, and another slight shift using the 1.4X on both. Nothing extreme or out of the ballpark, but a challenge to eyeball for correction. Other PP included exposure, sharpening and check box for CA correction (none really needed on the 90, but the 45 benefits). All shots hand held.

No tilt or shift was used in any of the shots. Another time!


I've found the 45 is noticeably warmer than most of my other Canon lenses. Also, it's the worst of the bunch for CA, which becomes extremely noticeable when shifted (though modern software, such as LR4 seems to easily fix this). Of the four TS-Es, I think I find the 45 the most interesting/fun to use. With the wider lenses, shift seems to be the more important feature because depth of field often negates the need for tilt. But with the 45, tilt can really make a huge difference. Then when you get to 90mm, sometimes you just can't extract enough tilt out of the lens to cover what you hope to keep in focus...

I'm sure Canon is working on replacements for these two, which will definitely benefit from what should be a greater shift range (as seen in the 17 and new 24 vs. the old 24).



May 16, 2013 at 09:22 AM
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Thanks Ron! In other threads, I've seen some of the great color you've gotten out of the 45 (do I remember correctly a stadium crowd shot?). To me this lens is most "Leica-like" of the Canon line-up, with gorgeous tonal qualities and velvety edge roll-off. OOF areas are also very nice and soft. Still, in doing these comparisons, I was impressed by how sharp it actually is.

In reviewing these images without lens movements, I'm reminded that for about 75% of my shooting, simply leveling the camera is satisfactory (with careful camera placement and elevation) to "get the shot". The movements on these lenses are a bonus, added to the superb IQ and large image circle.



May 16, 2013 at 02:22 PM
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Gunzorro wrote:
Thanks Ron! In other threads, I've seen some of the great color you've gotten out of the 45 (do I remember correctly a stadium crowd shot?). To me this lens is most "Leica-like" of the Canon line-up, with gorgeous tonal qualities and velvety edge roll-off. OOF areas are also very nice and soft. Still, in doing these comparisons, I was impressed by how sharp it actually is.

In reviewing these images without lens movements, I'm reminded that for about 75% of my shooting, simply leveling the camera is satisfactory (with careful camera placement and elevation) to "get the shot". The movements
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The 17 and 24 TSE are my most used lenses. For longer FL, I usually grab my 70-200 f/4L but the 90 TSE is extremely useful when creating a compressed pano by shifting 3 shots at -12mm, 0 and + 12mm in landscape orientation. However, when combining the 3 images into a panorama, the equivalent FL becomes 55mm. (Sample)

I never looked at the 45 TSE because I usually don't shoot at this FL and like the results from the 24 TSE + 1.4x extender combo. If Canon releases a new version which rotates the axis independently, I will definitely take a look.



May 16, 2013 at 08:40 PM
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I find the most limiting factor of these two lenses is the image circle size. If Canon update and give them similar size image circles to the 17 and new 24mm that would be awesome. I am still hoping (dreaming of) Canon making a 14mm , 20mm and a 150mm TSE in the future (they can even be shift only).


May 16, 2013 at 09:56 PM
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John Mills wrote:
I find the most limiting factor of these two lenses is the image circle size. If Canon update and give them similar size image circles to the 17 and new 24mm that would be awesome. I am still hoping (dreaming of) Canon making a 14mm , 20mm and a 150mm TSE in the future (they can even be shift only).


Of the three first TSE lenses, 24,45 and 90 the biggest complaint was the questionable image quality of the 24. The new 24 and the 17 are way better. Not sure when we will see a new 45 and 90? Both are pretty good in their current format. I for one have not had a major issue with the image circle, and I own two 4x5 cameras. The other thing is cost: what would the new 45 and 90 cost you? The easy rotating shift and tilt functions would be most welcome though...



May 17, 2013 at 12:45 AM
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Hi Jim, yes, I used it a bit shooting some crowd shots at the 2006 World Cup. Here's one with the 45 with intentional flare:







I also did a few photos of friends in Munich for their 'engagement' where I used the full tilt. It's perhaps a touch cheesy looking, but I guess it works. BTW, I didn't have any kind of lighting or reflector with me and the exposure difference was massive between them and the background, hence the fairly heavily processed look.


20060717_8320 by Ron Scheffler, on Flickr


20060717_8330 by Ron Scheffler, on Flickr



May 17, 2013 at 04:54 AM
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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · 45mm & 90mm TS-E, with 1.4X Extender


PhotoMaximum wrote:
Of the three first TSE lenses, 24,45 and 90 the biggest complaint was the questionable image quality of the 24. The new 24 and the 17 are way better. Not sure when we will see a new 45 and 90? Both are pretty good in their current format. I for one have not had a major issue with the image circle, and I own two 4x5 cameras. The other thing is cost: what would the new 45 and 90 cost you? The easy rotating shift and tilt functions would be most welcome though...


As you say, the cost of new versions of 45 and 90 would be expensive, likely be over $2k. I'm happy with the ones I have, bought used for around $850 each. Like Fred, I use the 24 (and now 17) the most, so don't mind paying more for these new versions.

And like John says, I'd like a 14mm shift-only. But the 17 can be made into easy 3-shot panos that are that wide or wider (12mm equiv.?)

Nice shots, Ron!



May 17, 2013 at 05:22 AM
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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · 45mm & 90mm TS-E, with 1.4X Extender


Here are some examples of the 90 TS-E in three tilt settings. The first shot in each set is at zero, not tilt. The following two shot the opposite extremes of tilt on the subject and surroundings.

These are SOOC jpgs with only minor exposure adjustment on a few. No attempt to equalize WB (shot at AWB setting).

No extender used here! Sorry -- rather than start another thread, I added off-topic info here about one of the lenses.






  Canon EOS-1D Mark III    TS-E90mm f/2.8 lens    90mm    f/2.8    1/800s    100 ISO    0.0 EV  






  Canon EOS-1D Mark III    TS-E90mm f/2.8 lens    90mm    f/2.8    1/800s    100 ISO    0.0 EV  






  Canon EOS-1D Mark III    TS-E90mm f/2.8 lens    90mm    f/2.8    1/800s    100 ISO    0.0 EV  



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Next set.











  Canon EOS-1D Mark III    TS-E90mm f/2.8 lens    90mm    f/4.0    1/500s    100 ISO    0.0 EV  






  Canon EOS-1D Mark III    TS-E90mm f/2.8 lens    90mm    f/4.0    1/500s    100 ISO    0.0 EV  




Jun 12, 2013 at 03:57 PM
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