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StarNut wrote:
RobertLynn wrote:
StarNut wrote:
RobertLynn wrote:
Sarsfield wrote:
It's simple. There's a bunch of jackasses who want entitlements that are aimed at working pros.
Ahhh, the "pro" sinks to the level of the amateur name caller. Very fitting of your "pro" status.
I don't think being professional has anything to do with saying whether or not someone is being a jackass when they fradulently enter a program. Would it be better for you if I chose to word it differently?
The sitution is quite simple. There is a plethora of individuals of unscrupulous character whom would stoop to unethical and immoral treatment for the standards, policies and procedures set forth in modern society.
Is that better for you?
To me it seems that you would rather complain about me, than the people who knowing violate the membership requirements of the group. Why is this so difficult to get someone's head around? In the USA it's a program for professional photographers. That means professionals sign up. Not hobbyists, not someone who thinks just because they spent a pile of money they get a "gift". No, it's for professionals.
Until Canon drops the requirement, that is my opinion. Me choosing to call someone a jackass has nothing to do with my professional character. Not one iota.
I know that reality often has nothing to do with an internet '"debate," but I'll pretend that you actually want to be accurate, but just failed to do your homework.
I have had an email exchange with the CPS folks, in which they make it clear that they don't care whether you're a "professional" or not, only that you own the required equipment.
No "fraud" involved, if I want to join and I'm not a "professional" (whatever you may think that is).
Go ahead and argue with that, now.
Sheesh....
I enjoy your reply. It basically states that I'm a liar, and that you have the proof that I am.
However...it's been posted here what the requirements are, directly from the CPS website. What they do administratively, and what they post publicly are two different things.
If the website states so, how isn't it? Sure, you've circumvented the website's requirements and went above and beyond to get the OK to go ahead (see how I didn't call you a liar, or suggest that "you didn't do your homework?") that just shows that you've been given the go ahead. Not that it's not their policy that they publicly state on their website. At that point, (if we are arguing just to argue) we are both right. You, because you were given the okay. I, because I read the website.
As I stated several times...if you can sign up...and they don't question it, by all means. It seems that it's an honor system and the onus of responsibility rests upon the person signing up. If someone is willing to (not in your case because you've been given the go ahead) sign up...even if the site says otherwise, and they didn't ask (even though I don't agree with Canon putting one thing on their site and then suggesting another in an e-mail. Why not remove all ambiguity and just make it a pay to get in free-for-all?) then they entered into a program they had no business in.
As for my definition of a professional, it depends on the context of how it is used. If you are a photographer, you can have all of the gear and all of the know how or more than the "pros" do. In my mind, a professional photographer is one who is a business that pays the requisite taxes/fees/whatever, and along with that comes all of the other good stuff (ethical responsibility to do the best you can for your clients, et cetera).
In terms of fighting, I think a professional fighter is one who is licensed by a state board. Ironically enough, you know what distinctions are made for pro/ammy fighters? A pro gets paid, and in most states fights under different rule sets (no head gear, things like that). An ammy doesn't get paid, and in a lot of states must wear either heavier gloves, or head gear et cetera. What's the main difference? Money.
Wow, you're pretty hard core. Not a "liar," I think, but there certainly are other pejorative terms that could be applied. When I made my post, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt (as I stated) that you didn't know that Canon itself states that there is no such requirement. It's now clear that, in your zeal to be somehow "superior" to mere enthusiasts, you simply don't care what Canon says. Nice job!
In the real world, asking Canon if one is required to be a "professional" (whatever that may be), and being told that there is no such requirement, means, well, that one is not required to be a "professional" (whatever that means).
No "circumvention."
No "fraud."
Just a very simple process--ask.
Gee, what a concept. You should try it!
At no point in the day do I feel "superior" to a hobbyist.
There is no zeal to appear so. There is no desire to suggest so.
I meet the requirements (that you don't say exist), therefore I sign up.
You say that you emailed. That's fine, I at no point believe that you didn't email. I also at no point disbelieve that they told you to sign up. It's well documented that canon usa has a professional program, that they have been allowing non-professionals to sign up in.
I think that it is funny that you are trying to turn everything around on me, as if I'm the bad guy. Look, I meet the requirements, I'm a self employed full-time photographer. If they asked for tear sheets, front pages, whatever, I could provide them. I didn't have to email and ask, I just did. Because, by THEIR given terms on the website, I qualify.
Another comparison perhaps?
Let us say that you belong to a local club. Doesn't matter, but a members only club.
Is an opinion that a non-member must be a member to be in, what makes one superior?
I receive a small discount on some goods at some retailers because I'm also a college student. Should non-students enjoy my discount?
AARP members receive senior discounts at various retailers. Are they acting as though they are better than everyone else, because they met a requirement?
If canon emailed you and said to sign up, go right ahead! Don't let me stop you!
Just because I run a business and someone else doesn't, no I'm not "better", I'm not "superior", I am just a business owner, which they are not. It's not condescending. It's not insults. It's not over zealous elitism. It's just a fact.
I am going by the information canon lists on their site. Not an email in your inbox.
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