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TexasCurt
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I got scammed for the first time on Buy/Sell. I had posted a WTB for a Nikon 70-200 VR2. User "mesa3000" contacted me on Dec 14th that he one for sale. I sent him a PayPal gift payment for $1820. He was new to FM but I checked out his Facebook, LinkedIn, and blog and felt good about him. I didn't receive the lens, he won't respond to PM's or email, and I now see that his account is locked. Has anyone else been scammed by him? I feel so stupid because I know I screwed up by buying from a new member with no feedback. Does anyone know if I can contact his local police department and file a theft/fraud report?


Dec 30, 2012 at 02:16 AM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Scammed on Buy/Sell


Nothing inherently wrong with buying from a new member with no feedback. Your real mistake was to use Paypal gift. That's a no-no pointed by Fred and countless others here.


Dec 30, 2012 at 02:22 AM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Scammed on Buy/Sell


Find someone local to work him over.


Dec 30, 2012 at 02:24 AM
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so, did you use a credit card to send the gift payment? If so, contact your CC company and dispute the transaction as item not received or whatever language they have for that occurrence. Also, what's this guy's real name? Where does he live? I googled "mesa2000" and got this http://twitter.com/mesa2000 I don't have a clue if this is the "mesa2000" you apparently got screwed over by, but his name as listed there is Andy Zhang (and not the golfer, I'd presume).


Dec 30, 2012 at 02:35 AM
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His name is Ben Ahlquist. I used my PP business account. I was dumb but I'm still gonna do everything in my power to get my money back!


Dec 30, 2012 at 02:41 AM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Scammed on Buy/Sell


Bummer. Good luck with getting this sorted out.


Dec 30, 2012 at 02:52 AM
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so would this be he?

http://www.facebook.com/benahlquist





Dec 30, 2012 at 03:02 AM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Scammed on Buy/Sell


Did you ship the lens to Minnesota?


Dec 30, 2012 at 03:04 AM
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If that's the guy, and you have his address to confirm it, you can certainly contact local law enforcement who will likely tell you "tough shite, buddy." Or, you could contact the State AG's office, from whom you are not likely to get much assistance either. Do you have an exact address for this guy? If so, have you checked out airfares?


Dec 30, 2012 at 03:06 AM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Scammed on Buy/Sell


I bought the lens... Didn't sell. Yes, that's him. Believe me, I have considered flying there and saying hi. I am just worried that someone may have stolen his identity.


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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Scammed on Buy/Sell


Call him! http://whois.net/whois/benahlquist.com


Dec 30, 2012 at 03:38 AM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Scammed on Buy/Sell


I'm deeply sorry this has happened to you TexasCurt.
There were so many red flags...But I have seen PMs from these crooks and they can be very persuadable.
Paypal gift is a dangerous away to make payment to an unknown member. I know we are all trying to save money and get the best deal, but I always remind members to avoid gift payments at all costs. Think of regular Paypal as an insurance. If anything goes wrong, you can start a dispute and mostly likely get your money back.
I remember immediately banning this member more than a week ago after a suspicious PM was brought to my attention.
If there is anything I can do, please PM me.
Fred



Dec 30, 2012 at 04:16 AM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Scammed on Buy/Sell


ouch! almost $2,000 via paypal gift? I feel bad for you, but with no feedback and being a new member, you should have thought that though a little more sorry for your loss, hopefully you paid via credit card to file a dispute.


Dec 30, 2012 at 08:35 AM
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Curt,

If I remember right, there is a fellow FM member a month or so ago, perhaps a bit longer, who had a similar experience to yours. He contacted PP, even though he paid by gift payment, and they were helpful in a arriving at a positive resolution to his case. I hope you have contacted PP to see what they might do for you.

FWIW, I'm not a lawyer anywhere at all, so this is not legal advice: it is not your job to conclude that "Ben" had his account stolen/hijacked or compromised. That's the job of Law Enforcement. Most jurisdictions require that any charge against an individual be filed in the jurisdiction in which that individual resides. That would require that you do a search on the county government of "Ben's" place of residence to determine who the DA is for that jurisdiction.

Having done that, you would then call that DA's office, or the sub-section of it that deals with internet crime, because ripping you off of 1820$ via the internet likely serves as the basis for probable cause of the occurrence of an internet crime. Ask the individual with whom you talk about the procedure for preferring charges; be prepared for flying there. Have with you whatever PP documentation you have detailing the transaction and gather as much of it as you can to present to the DA's office contact person upon your arrival. After that follow their instructions about what to do next. If you are able to get them to do that in the presence of your having screwed up by using a "gift payment" you'll be at least one step closer to a positive resolution for yourself.

Oh, you might want to inform "Ben" in the interim, via email with a "copy to" the DA's representative, that you are scheduled to fly to his community to prefer charges against him/her. Don't do anything that threatens this guy/gal, just state the facts and proceed.

Again, I'm not a lawyer - you may well want to contact one. Speaking for myself, the outline I gave you is precisely what I would do, and I'd spend another $1820 to get a positive resolution to it if I had to.

HTH, tony

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Dec 30, 2012 at 01:15 PM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · Scammed on Buy/Sell


Thanks all. I appreciate the ideas and advice.


Dec 30, 2012 at 01:17 PM
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · Scammed on Buy/Sell


Curt,

keep us posted, sir.



Dec 30, 2012 at 01:36 PM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · Scammed on Buy/Sell


I'm not a lawyer or involved in law informent either (but I watch lots of cop shows on TV!)

It seems to me that since this crosses state lines, a call to the FBI might be worth a try. This one crime may not be big enough for them to bother with, but maybe this guy has done similar deeds on other sites and he's already caught the FBI's interest. At least it might be worth reporting.

I wish you luck resolving this!



Dec 30, 2012 at 04:01 PM
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blubdog wrote:
I'm not a lawyer or involved in law informent either (but I watch lots of cop shows on TV!)

It seems to me that since this crosses state lines, a call to the FBI might be worth a try. This one crime may not be big enough for them to bother with, but maybe this guy has done similar deeds on other sites and he's already caught the FBI's interest. At least it might be worth reporting.

I wish you luck resolving this!


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Dec 30, 2012 at 05:55 PM
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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · Scammed on Buy/Sell


I have not used this organization but it is a consolidated group of law enforcement (FBI and NWCCC) and they may be able to help you:

http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx

It's worth a try.



Dec 30, 2012 at 08:10 PM
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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · Scammed on Buy/Sell


Does this look familiar or is this a different thing:


PronkPhotos wrote:
My account was recently banned from here for reasons I'm not cognizant of. If I received a warning via PM (I have an unread PM I cannot access), then I haven't the slightest! I made this account in order to PM an administrator or someone capable of assisting me.

I have attempted contacting Fred Miranda via fred@fredmiranda.com and PM'ing the Fred Miranda account; however, I have yet to receive any kind of response, so I'm curious if I'm even attempting to contact the right person! For reference, I attempted contact on 11/28, 12/02, and 12/23.

Does anyone know if I am contacting
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http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1177930




Dec 30, 2012 at 11:21 PM
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