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p.2 #1 · 24L MKII no longer loved?


Interestingly, for me, its on the wide end (24, 35) where is super fast prime is very useful, for documentary style photography/family photography.
looking at lightroom, and exif of my primes (I did this yesterday) my 24, 35, and 50 1.4 are used bellow f 2.8 about 90% of the time. this is especially with 24 1.4, b/c you dont have to worry as much about dof, and both eyes not being in focus.
I do agree though that many people may be selling it, as the novelty of the new toy wears off.



Dec 30, 2012 at 04:56 PM
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p.2 #2 · 24L MKII no longer loved?


gdanmitchell wrote:
I'm betting that you are seeing, to some extent, the typical aftermath of the hoopla surrounding the introduction of any new version of a lens, after which some who were swept up in it move on to something else.

The 24mm f/1.4 II is a fine lens, but the utility it provides is not for everyone.

Dan


I'd buy that argument...but the 24L II is not a recently released lens. It has been out for 5 years. I think people who bought on the hoopla have long ago sold it. I believe the influx of sales of this prime is a combination of the new 24-70 as well as the great high ISO cameras being released allowing for alternative methods of getting the shot.



Dec 30, 2012 at 05:32 PM
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p.2 #3 · 24L MKII no longer loved?


David Baldwin wrote:
24L is a gorgeous lens btw!


I love how if you keep the front cap on and then shine light on the rear element it gets these deep ruby reflections, never seen another lens do that. Cool effect.



Dec 30, 2012 at 11:16 PM
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Breitling65 wrote:
+1, it is new toy effect. in 2-3 month same people will post "sold it since I need money and it is collecting dust ..."


And yet many of us had it for a few years and used it a ton and it was nothing about new toy effect..... it was one of my most used and favorite lens, hardly a dust collector or some silly toy I grew tired of and it's the same for many others.

The 24 1.4 II is hardly a new lens and it would pretty odd that all of a sudden users who have had it for anywhere from 5 years to 2 months all at once decided the new toy effect just wore off on them now. The simplest explanation is that the 24-70 II arrived since that is when the for sales bumped up.



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Dec 30, 2012 at 11:17 PM
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Breitling65 wrote:
So, are you saying - you are Ok if Canon will stop making anything faster than F2.8, just make it sharp and expensive and zoom and "everyone" will be automatically happy? That will "kill" all fast L primes?


Hah, no, no, no. I said that fast primes have a place. On rare occasion I will even miss my ultra fast 24mm for the f/1.4-2. I was just saying that while for some, such as yourself, two fast primes do them more good overall there are plenty of others for whom a relatively fast zoom does them more overall good. So for some the 24-70 II does kill certain fast primes. I sold off my 24 1.4 II since I don't have unlimited $$ and I get more out of 25-70mm being built in to my semi-fast 24mm 'prime' from my 24-70 II than I do out of 24 1.4 II alone or with addition of say 35 1.4. I could see how some might like 24 1.4 II + 35 1.4 +(50 1.4?)+ 70-200/300 instead of 24-70 II+70-200/300 though. I thought about it a little.




Dec 30, 2012 at 11:22 PM
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p.2 #6 · 24L MKII no longer loved?


I still love mine, although I will honestly say that the 24-70 mk2 combined with the 1DX took a lot from its use.


Dec 30, 2012 at 11:26 PM
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skibum5 wrote:



new toy now is 24-70II



Dec 30, 2012 at 11:48 PM
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chez wrote:
I'd buy that argument...but the 24L II is not a recently released lens. It has been out for 5 years. I think people who bought on the hoopla have long ago sold it. I believe the influx of sales of this prime is a combination of the new 24-70 as well as the great high ISO cameras being released allowing for alternative methods of getting the shot.



As well as some settling on a 35 f1.4 as their one and only 'fast prime'?



Dec 31, 2012 at 12:02 AM
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p.2 #9 · 24L MKII no longer loved?


One of my four favorite lenses.

The 24II is the first of the new series of L offerings.

Use mine for weddings/events too often to consider selling.



Dec 31, 2012 at 12:19 AM
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skibum5 wrote:
The 24 1.4 II is hardly a new lens and it would pretty odd that all of a sudden users who have had it for anywhere from 5 years to 2 months




24LII is 4 years old:

http://www.canon.com/camera-museum/camera/lens/ef/data/wide/ef_24_14lii_usm.html



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I come from the film days when the few available super speeds were often the only way to get any shot at ASA 400/800. So when I began with DSLRs some 30 years later I bought most of the superspeed primes. I also marveled at zoom lenses like the 16-35 F2.8 literally unthinkable in the 60/70s.

However, digital Hi ISO performance improved to 6400 and beyond. So I, like many others on this forum, found myself using the F2.8 zooms for most every thing except portraits (most often the 200mm F 2.0). Now my ultraspeed WA and medium focal lengths get little use. Yet I have so much oldline respect for these jewels that I hold onto them for the odd situation.



Jan 01, 2013 at 05:43 PM
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Breitling65 wrote:
If this severely overpriced lens is sharp doesn't mean it could "kill" anything. My 24II is sharp and I would better get two fast L primes instead of one slow zoom.


Thanks for the personal opinion. Clearly though you aren't the entire world of photography

The price has come down massively since launch, in the uk at least. From the original 2300, it can be bought now for 1500. I consider that excellent value for money considering the improvement over the original. Again, opinions differ.



Jan 01, 2013 at 10:38 PM
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PhilDrinkwater wrote:
The price has come down massively since launch, in the uk at least. From the original 2300, it can be bought now for 1500. I consider that excellent value for money considering the improvement over the original. Again, opinions differ.


It certainly has. Price at launch was absurd, but it's now down to a level only a bit higher than mk 1, which is amazing given strength of Yen and in light of Canon's recent pricing.



Jan 01, 2013 at 10:48 PM
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Pixel Perfect wrote:
It certainly has. Price at launch was absurd, but it's now down to a level only a bit higher than mk 1, which is amazing given strength of Yen and in light of Canon's recent pricing.


I think most of canons recent pricing is that things are very expensive initially. After a while most of them drop significantly...



Jan 01, 2013 at 11:42 PM
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PhilDrinkwater wrote:
Thanks for the personal opinion. Clearly though you aren't the entire world of photography

The price has come down massively since launch, in the uk at least. From the original 2300, it can be bought now for 1500. I consider that excellent value for money considering the improvement over the original. Again, opinions differ.






I just don't like "killer of something" opinions. Too many killers got erected lately while most of such new equipment actually kills nothing.




Jan 02, 2013 at 02:37 AM
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PhilDrinkwater wrote:
I think most of canons recent pricing is that things are very expensive initially. After a while most of them drop significantly...


Only for some lenses, for others such as the superteles and lenses like the 85L the price seems to stay high. 800L is now dearer than at release despite a period where it dropped in price from launch.



Jan 02, 2013 at 01:33 PM
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Pixel Perfect wrote:
Only for some lenses, for others such as the superteles and lenses like the 85L the price seems to stay high. 800L is now dearer than at release despite a period where it dropped in price from launch.

Agreed.

Also, the used price for 'replaced' lenses often spikes after the Mk II versions appear in the market. For example, considering used lenses in near mint condition, the 24-70/2.8L sold for about $1113 in Jan 2012, and its current value is about $1400. Similarly, the 70-200/2.8L IS price rose from a steady value of around $1450 for 2010 through early 2012, to a high of $1621 in Sept-2012, now it's back to about $1450.

Current used prices for 85/1.2L Mk I and Mk II in E to E+ condition are very close at about $1180 and $1280, respectively (d = 8%). The separation is greater for M- and LN lenses, at $1480 and $1720 (d = 14%).



Jan 02, 2013 at 01:56 PM
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p.2 #18 · 24L MKII no longer loved?


I have never owned any of the 24/1.4 versions, but I am sure especially the vers. II is a great fast lens. But it is one lens where I have no need for - I would rarely make use of it. Reason for this is that at 24 mm I mostly use slower but better fitting lenses like my 24/3.5 T/S or my 24-70/2.8 I zoom. In case I need faster speed, I am always fine to use my 35/1.4 lens when flash is not permitted in museums for example. Otherwise I rarely need a faster stop than f/4 at the wide end (exemption is 14 mm af f/2.8 for dim indoor photography).


Jan 02, 2013 at 02:50 PM
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i love mine, my most used lens. It will be great to use with my C100!


Jan 02, 2013 at 07:11 PM
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p.2 #20 · 24L MKII no longer loved?


I love the 24mm 1.4. For kids/pets the 3 inch MFD is very useful. Not sure what the 24-70's MFD is at 24mm, Canon's website shows the lens's MFD at 15 inches.

If I know I'm going to be taking pictures indoors, often times that is the only lens I take. I use it with both natural and flash lighting.

If I was going to replace the 24mm 1.4 with a zoom, it would be for the 16-35, not the 24-70.

To me, the cost, size, weight, 82mm filter, and largish MFD of the 24-70 are big negatives for it.

Rob



Jan 03, 2013 at 12:15 AM
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