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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Strobes Direct vs Bounced


I always shoot direct... Until last night.

In my time shooting with strobes, I haven't ever had a complaint. I had my first issue last night. The person at the score table complained that the strobes were hindering her ability to see how many fingers the refs were holding up when there were fouls etc. I was shooting direct. I at first offered to try to direct my one strobe a little off center court to try to direct the light a little from her. That worked until half time when I was asked to bounce rather than shoot direct.

I am not happy with the results. Here are a few shots from the game so you can see the difference. Generally if I can't see the grain of the ball, it doesn't pass the mustard.

Strobe Direct
http://dalbyphoto.smugmug.com/photos/i-S84HqHZ/0/XL/i-S84HqHZ-XL.jpg


Strobe Direct
http://dalbyphoto.smugmug.com/photos/i-FBXTXVW/0/XL/i-FBXTXVW-XL.jpg


Strobe bounced from ceiling - Maybe I should have tried bouncing off the wall.
http://dalbyphoto.smugmug.com/photos/i-dqWkr3w/0/XL/i-dqWkr3w-XL.jpg



Dec 09, 2012 at 03:33 AM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Strobes Direct vs Bounced


this answered my question on my thread. thanks


Dec 09, 2012 at 06:32 AM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Strobes Direct vs Bounced


I agree with you.


Dec 09, 2012 at 12:18 PM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Strobes Direct vs Bounced


To me, it's a no-brainer. BOUNCED. But, you're asking the wrong guy. I don't like the heavy highlighted, heavy shadowed look. I prefer a natural looking scene with just enough light falloff to make the subject pop. On your first two shots, I'm seeing heavy highlights on the left side (players' right), on face, leg and ball, and the defenders showing very pronounced shadows. On the bounced shot, we avoid all that.

Now, the positions of the lights need a little tweaking to get the subject to pop a bit more, but IMO, there is more potential for a great looking shot.



Dec 09, 2012 at 01:56 PM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Strobes Direct vs Bounced


I've always bounced, I don't like how direct flash looks in pretty much any situation. With high ISO capabilities now, its more of a fill which is why I bounce.


Dec 09, 2012 at 02:37 PM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Strobes Direct vs Bounced


It is definitely a personal preference. To me, I like the contrast and the color. To me the bounced look is flat and doesn't isolate the subject from the background as much.


Dec 09, 2012 at 03:27 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Strobes Direct vs Bounced


I should have tried some shots with no strobe at all just for another comparison. I am shooting with the D4 now so that would have been good to see too.


Dec 09, 2012 at 03:28 PM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Strobes Direct vs Bounced


If I had my choice it would be direct, just seems to be more intense..


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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Strobes Direct vs Bounced


I think that your bounced and direct shots are well within the acceptable range but IMO the bounced is a more natural, even light.


Dec 10, 2012 at 01:01 AM
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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · Strobes Direct vs Bounced


P Alesse wrote:
To me, it's a no-brainer. BOUNCED. But, you're asking the wrong guy. I don't like the heavy highlighted, heavy shadowed look. I prefer a natural looking scene with just enough light falloff to make the subject pop. On your first two shots, I'm seeing heavy highlights on the left side (players' right), on face, leg and ball, and the defenders showing very pronounced shadows. On the bounced shot, we avoid all that.

Now, the positions of the lights need a little tweaking to get the subject to pop a bit more, but IMO, there is more potential for a
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I agree.

Plus, you need to take into account the fact that someone complained about direct. I am a proponent of strobing (assuming someone has insurance, has permission, etc.), but I'm also a proponent of NOT causing problems with those I'm shooting. Guess you can figure out how to make bounced work for you or stop strobing altogether. I know which option I would choose.



Dec 10, 2012 at 04:38 AM
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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Strobes Direct vs Bounced


One thing you have not considered in this debate is when you are able to go direct you get more of the freeze from your strobes. When you bounce you lose some of that and you will normally see more motion blur. Over the years I have found the real answer often lies in the building and the event. We don't get to work in an ideal world, maybe that is why I still enjoy the challange.


Dec 10, 2012 at 01:51 PM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Strobes Direct vs Bounced


Gene, yep that was the main issue for me, the lack of being tack sharp that I missed from the direct.


Dec 10, 2012 at 02:06 PM
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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · Strobes Direct vs Bounced


If you are not getting tack sharp, then you aren't getting your strobe power or aim correct. You need to be 2-3 stops over ambient when bouncing.


Matt



Dec 10, 2012 at 02:47 PM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Strobes Direct vs Bounced


P Alesse wrote:
Now, the positions of the lights need a little tweaking to get the subject to pop a bit more.


Paul,

What do you mean here? How can I position strobes better to get the subject to pop when bouncing?




Dec 10, 2012 at 04:00 PM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · Strobes Direct vs Bounced


I like the bounced shot better...but as others have said it's just a matter of preference. The bounced shot seems more natural and it feels like there is more movement, whereas the direct seems too frozen.


Dec 10, 2012 at 04:06 PM





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