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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Nobody's getting the EOS-M


I don't see any buzz on this camera on any forums on any photography websites. Is it a stillborn product?


Nov 21, 2012 at 04:36 PM
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Last week there were two threads here from new owners. If it had an accessory EVF or even a clip-on optical finder for the 22mm pancake it would sell a lot better.


Nov 21, 2012 at 04:41 PM
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You obviously did not look very hard. A Google search of " Canon eos-m " brings up several reviews in the last month.
Early consensus seems to be unimpressive EVF and dismal AF in AI Servo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4nzXeqkpOE

http://www.petapixel.com/2012/10/30/first-impressions-of-the-canon-eos-m-mirrorless-camera/

http://www.petapixel.com/2012/11/19/review-canon-eos-m-is-like-a-sluggish-dslr-trapped-in-a-compact-body/

http://techcrunch.com/2012/10/25/hands-on-with-the-eos-m-canons-first-mirrorless-interchangeable-lens-camera/

http://www.digitalcameraworld.com/2012/11/14/canon-eos-m-review/



Nov 21, 2012 at 05:16 PM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Nobody's getting the EOS-M


Seems like it's a product which is less than it could have been... from the reviews anyway.


Nov 21, 2012 at 05:23 PM
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Realistically Canon (Sony and Panasonic) need to take a look at products like the Olympus OM-D and see how to build a compact camera and small lens system.



Nov 21, 2012 at 05:30 PM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Nobody's getting the EOS-M


I guess quite a few people are waiting for an improved or more advanced model with things like:

- Better AF
- EVF
- Articulate screen
- A few additional lenses

The one above is my own personal list. I am sure it could be longer



Nov 21, 2012 at 05:34 PM
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jerrykur wrote:
Realistically Canon (Sony and Panasonic) need to take a look at products like the Olympus OM-D and see how to build a compact camera and small lens system.


+1 I am really enjoying my OM-D. I would also add the Fuji X-Pro1 in there as a nice model/system to follow.



Nov 21, 2012 at 05:44 PM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Nobody's getting the EOS-M


There are few Canon products that are well received on this forum.


Nov 21, 2012 at 06:12 PM
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Imagemaster: I found reviews & previews (mostly the latter), but not much owner discussion. From what others are saying, however, that appears to be due to the fact there aren't many owners.

As an aside, not much on the G15 either. Looks to be a slow season for Canon...



Nov 21, 2012 at 06:42 PM
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alfarmer wrote:
Imagemaster: I found reviews & previews (mostly the latter), but not much owner discussion.


Maybe they are too embarrassed.



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jerrykur wrote:
Realistically Canon (Sony and Panasonic) need to take a look at products like the Olympus OM-D and see how to build a compact camera and small lens system.


Panasonic has been using the micro 4/3 system, compatible with the Olympus m4/3 system, for a few years now.

The GH-2 is a great body but the GH-3 will be even better. No in-body IS like the OM-D but better ergonomics and better video.

I prefer m4/3 over EOS-M simply for the fact that the 2.0 crop of m4/3 allows for a more compact lens system. Putting a huge lens onto a tiny body was already done better (than EOS because of the AF) by the Sony NEX system, and I'm not very convinced about that one either.



Nov 21, 2012 at 06:55 PM
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I have one for review & I cant talk about it. I could see myself owning one though.


Nov 21, 2012 at 06:59 PM
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Since it requires an adapter for EOS lenses, I see absolutely no reason to move from the NEX system I already had. Canon was late to the party and needed to offer a better product. They didn't. They'll take some market share based on their name alone, but the M doesn't cut it IMO, offering nothing new at a relatively high price point.



Nov 21, 2012 at 07:03 PM
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Clearly if it isn't being discussed on the FM boards it must not sell. Guess it could also mean that the camera is marketed to a different group of people?? I don't see much talk about the s100 on here either.

edit...checking online it still isn't in stock at many locations in all the different options. BH has the kit with the 22mm and the flash in stock, the 18-55 kit and the lenses aren't in stock. Amazon is similar, none available until the 23rd.



Nov 21, 2012 at 07:07 PM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · Nobody's getting the EOS-M


Its not that it won't sell at all -- it just won't sell in large volume to more educated photography consumers of the sort that frequent this forum.

Edited on Nov 21, 2012 at 07:53 PM · View previous versions



Nov 21, 2012 at 07:16 PM
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I didn't expect much from Canon's first attempt at this completely new type of camera. Cool, but it needs work.


Nov 21, 2012 at 07:17 PM
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I bought one - I will post something shortly.

I bought it knowing that focus was an issue.[ focus with the 22f2 is slow but with the zoom is pretty good at the store when I bought it. However, you really want the 22f2 to work because its small and having the zoom on makes it big. And walking around with lots of lens/adapters defeats the purpose ]

My rationale was -
1) It is aps-c so the quality is very high for IQ
2) Review of the lens are good
3) I coudl use my existing lens with it
4) And most importantly, often my wife complains when I carry a massive bag around, while strolling hand in hand in a romantic walk

So far:
1) focus is challenging with the 22f2, and don't botther with the 100-400 - its really bad. But the 17-55f2.8IS seemed okay. The focus is adequate for landscape but difficult for moving subjects.
2) image quality is very good and approaching my 7d.
3) The touch screen menu takes such time to get used to that I would not expect my wife to use it unless I left it on the right setting. It is somewhat intuitive if you have used (really used) a canon but for most people they would put it on the default and call it a day [ my wife saw a weasel out the front of our house and wanted to take a picture. It was easier to explain how to use my 7d with 100-400 than eos-m over the phone - eg put lens on - turn to c1 and blast away]
4) The features (HDR, autobracketing, ...) are comprehensive for landscape but you won't see Laurel using them.

On balance I am happy with my purchase because I can walk arm in arm with my wife and stop for landscape shots or put a 17-55 on it and do pretty well.

However I suspect most mortals will either find i) autofocus is barely adequate for family snapshots with the wide pancake lens, and iii) the feature set is too complicated and they don't want it.

So for those of us (likely all here) that want a really good quality camera with lots of optionality that you can take when a full camera just does not fit in, but is not adequate for sport, and is barely adequate for family snap shots inside, but is pretty good outside, its a good buy. But for others, buy the the g12.

I did not try my 600 f4 /1.4 with it

[PS. In reading my mini-review it sounds very negative - remember I am happy with the compromise.I just think that the 22mmf2 needs replacing with a better lens 22mmf2 that is faster]

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Since I posted that I did some testing on auto focus inside [I will find a time to outside later]. Here are the scientific results based on focusing on the arm of my chair and then switching to focussing about 10' away.
22mmf2 stm 1s
18-55 stm 3/4s
24-105f4ISL 3s vs less than 1/4s on 7d
17-55IS f2.8 2s vs less than 1/4s on 7d
70-200 f2.8 is 1.5s vs 1/2s on 7d
[The focus speed on all lens did not vary much between long and short ranges]
Which brings me to the conclusion, don't buy this for interchangability inside because you won't enjoy the speed.

Buy it for the fact that its apsc (pretty good iso performance), pretty good quality iq, cheaper in kit than olympus m or sony nx.

And again, for me with my goal (occasional use when my dslr would be intrusive) its the right choice.

And don't bother with the adapter inside.



Edited on Nov 25, 2012 at 03:20 PM · View previous versions



Nov 21, 2012 at 08:22 PM
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Who the hell wants the non-SLRs? My wife has one--Sony Nex 5.
Lightweight, great for snapshots, not for real photography.



Nov 21, 2012 at 08:33 PM
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IMO for me with landscapes its as good as my 7d and 17-55 was and 2kgs lighter (and can use small filters).


Nov 21, 2012 at 08:39 PM
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garydavidjones wrote:
Lightweight, great for snapshots, not for real photography.


Not so. The 5n fits right in with my gear and it's 1.5 crop sensor is as good or better than Canon's crop sensors. http://www.smugmug.com/photos/i-RQMgMz3/0/XL/i-RQMgMz3-XL.jpg
It's no good for action, but great for street and travel photography.

I think Scott's quick review is consistent with everything else I have heard about the M. If someone wants a compact system, I would recommend NEX or m4/3 before the M. Otherwise, a rebel is small enough and is much easier to handle ...



Nov 21, 2012 at 08:46 PM
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