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p.26 #1 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (fixed lens)

sebboh wrote:
douglasf13 wrote:
EVF looks just like 5Ns, but in black. Scroll down: Link

are the specs the same other than the connector?

I believe so. I rather liked using the 5N Evf's tilt, and miss it in my Nex-7.

Sep 12, 2012 at 06:13 AM

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p.26 #2 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (fixed lens)

The huffomatic's hands on preview!:

http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2012/09/11/the-new-sony-rx1-full-frame-compact-with-35-f2-zeiss-lens-1st-look-hands-on-report/

Glowing endorsement...

Sep 12, 2012 at 06:18 AM

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p.26 #3 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (fixed lens)

Just can't work out why Sony didn't take the last step of making this an interchangeable lens camera.

That would have been ground breaking.

Sep 12, 2012 at 06:24 AM

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p.26 #4 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (fixed lens)

SKumar25 wrote:
Just can't work out why Sony didn't take the last step of making this an interchangeable lens camera.

That would have been ground breaking.

It is ALREADY ground breaking. Find another compact camera with a FULL FRAME sensor.

Sep 12, 2012 at 06:27 AM

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p.26 #5 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (fixed lens)

SKumar25 wrote:
Just can't work out why Sony didn't take the last step of making this an interchangeable lens camera.

That would have been ground breaking.

It is ALREADY ground breaking. Find another compact camera with a FULL FRAME sensor.

Sep 12, 2012 at 06:27 AM

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p.26 #6 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (fixed lens)

rattymouse wrote:
SKumar25 wrote:
Just can't work out why Sony didn't take the last step of making this an interchangeable lens camera.

That would have been ground breaking.

It is ALREADY ground breaking. Find another compact camera with a FULL FRAME sensor.

Ok, had they done that, it would have been earth shattering...

Sep 12, 2012 at 06:28 AM

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p.26 #7 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (fixed lens)

SKumar25 wrote:
Just can't work out why Sony didn't take the last step of making this an interchangeable lens camera.

That would have been ground breaking.

Lens size. Look at the Zeiss 24/1.8 for Nex, and then imagine a FF equivalent.

Sep 12, 2012 at 06:33 AM

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p.26 #8 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (fixed lens)

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My point was that it is not a challenge, you simply move the optics further into the barrel if needed, similar to, say 300mm 135 format lenses, for example. Sure, it is a challenge to take full advantage of such a mount, but choosing a short register distance is a no-brainer with no disadvantages.

Of course it's not "impossible", it's just "totally stupid".
No, Sony didn't lie when they said that the E-mount was capable of using an FF sensor. They just happened to forget to tell you that everything you put on that camera (shorter than 50mm FL) will have to have about the same or only very subtly smaller retrofocal ratio as a lens planned for a full DSLR camera...

That means that IF the RX1 was released as an exchangeable lens camera, the 35F2.0 lens that is on the camera now would have to be planned as a retrofocal lens in stead. Think something about 1.5x larger in diameter and 1.5x longer than the existing 24/1.8 for APS. Slightly smaller than the 18-200, if you're going for image quality rather than compactness. If you're going for all out compactness, like the 50/1.8OSS - but a centimeter larger in diameter.
I think that kind of negates the "no-brainer with no disadvantages" statement.

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Sep 12, 2012 at 06:36 AM

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p.26 #9 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (fixed lens)

douglasf13 wrote:
SKumar25 wrote:
Just can't work out why Sony didn't take the last step of making this an interchangeable lens camera.

That would have been ground breaking.

Lens size. Look at the Zeiss 24/1.8 for Nex, and then imagine a FF equivalent.

Is this lens AF?

Edit yes it is.

Edited on Sep 12, 2012 at 06:40 AM · View previous versions

Sep 12, 2012 at 06:36 AM

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p.26 #10 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (fixed lens)

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I'd better with M8/8.2 with VS28f2 or Biogonf2.

How would it be better? Can you explain? Just because it has "Leica" on it?
A slow POS old cr@p, sorry crop camera with a filter needed to take pictures?
How can you even put it in the same sentence with this amazing Sony achievement?
I'm really not getting it. What's wrong with you people?
OK, maybe it's too expensive for some. But you can't deny this is a ground breaking
camera, by far the most exciting thing in last few years.
This to me is as big as my first digital camera - Coolpix 990.

Compare this to all those boring "one more" Canons and Nikons. Seriously.
Not gonna mention Leica, but I agree with Huff, if they don't show something
SPECTACULAR in a couple of days, they will be trashed.

Sep 12, 2012 at 06:38 AM

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p.26 #11 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (fixed lens)

SKumar25 wrote:
douglasf13 wrote:
SKumar25 wrote:
Just can't work out why Sony didn't take the last step of making this an interchangeable lens camera.

That would have been ground breaking.

Lens size. Look at the Zeiss 24/1.8 for Nex, and then imagine a FF equivalent.

Is this lens AF?

Edit yes it is.

Yep, AF lens. Read theSuede's comment above about lens size.

Sep 12, 2012 at 06:42 AM

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p.26 #12 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (fixed lens)

SKumar25 wrote:
douglasf13 wrote:
SKumar25 wrote:
Just can't work out why Sony didn't take the last step of making this an interchangeable lens camera.

That would have been ground breaking.

Lens size. Look at the Zeiss 24/1.8 for Nex, and then imagine a FF equivalent.

Is this lens AF?

Edit yes it is.

Yes.

Sep 12, 2012 at 06:42 AM

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p.26 #13 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (fixed lens)

Does lens have filter thread? Otherwise 1/2000 wide open on bright day is way too long a shutter speed.

Looks damn nice, but being stuck at 35mm for every shot would get numbing for me. It's a lot of money for a a 1 trick pony. But I can see the appeal for a lot of people.

Sep 12, 2012 at 06:42 AM

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p.26 #14 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (fixed lens)

How it could be better? EVF built in! Now it seems you have to choose between using a finder and external flash. Can´t image to use the rear display while outside using the leaf shutter and synching studio strobes.

Did anybody see an image of the external EVF yet?

Sep 12, 2012 at 06:43 AM

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p.26 #15 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (fixed lens)

rattymouse wrote:
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Incredible. People have been DYING for a full frame compact since the digital revolution began. Now that it may be here, it's not good enough unless it is pocketable. Full frame, in your pocket. Some folks will never be happy.

I don't recall anyone wanting a fixed-lens AF LCD-only (possibly with an attachble EVF) $2700 camera.

What people wanted, at least here on FM, was a FF CSC, i.e. interchangeable lenses. The bad thing about this camera is that the presumably excellent lens will depreciate very fast, along with the sensor and the body, as new sensors are released. Even if there was only the only lens in the system, it would be great if it could be transferred to a new body, in 2 years or so.

That's true for gear chasers, but less important for photographers. We have long since passed what film is capable of and have reached a point where new sensors offer less advantage over the previous ones. Yes there may be the odd bit of improvement but it is less and less.

The world's most iconic photographs have been made with lesser gear than this and if you cant with this new Sony, a new, better sensor isnt going to be the reason why.

Yes, but 99.99% of the market is gear chasers not photographers making the most iconic photographs. I know I want a IL mirrorless FF body with no AA filter that can use my Leica M mount lenses. I am sure Sony would take my desire more seriously than that of a real photographer. After all, I pay for my gear, unlike the real photographers.

The Leica M9 meets your criteria.

It doesn't. Mirrorless requires LV. The M10 should have it though.

Sep 12, 2012 at 06:48 AM

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p.26 #16 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (fixed lens)

Dergiman wrote:
How it could be better? EVF built in! Now it seems you have to choose between using a finder and external flash. Can´t image to use the rear display while outside using the leaf shutter and synching studio strobes.

Sep 12, 2012 at 06:50 AM

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p.26 #17 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (fixed lens)

Pixel Perfect wrote:
Does lens have filter thread? Otherwise 1/2000 wide open on bright day is way too long a shutter speed.
Looks damn nice, but being stuck at 35mm for every shot would get numbing for me. It's a lot of money for a a 1 trick pony. But I can see the appeal for a lot of people.

49mm, classic diameter.
A sobering thought:
-If they released an RX1-24, an RX1-35, an RX1-50 and an RX1-85 it would STILL be about 8-10 thousand dollars cheaper to buy all four cameras than to buy an M9 with the corresponding new-series summicrons.

[edit]
Looked at the Leica Summi prices again. Change the "8-10k USD cheaper" I stated above to "15-17k USD cheaper"

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Sep 12, 2012 at 06:54 AM

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p.26 #18 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (fixed lens)

douglasf13 wrote:
Dergiman wrote:
How it could be better? EVF built in! Now it seems you have to choose between using a finder and external flash. Can´t image to use the rear display while outside using the leaf shutter and synching studio strobes.

Did anybody see an image of the external EVF yet?

I don't imagine that this camera is really intended for a lot of strobe usage. If you're carrying strobes around, you may as well carry a larger dslr.

The external EVF is just like the Nex-5n's, but in black with a new connector. The nice thing about an external EVF is that the EVF can be upgraded over time, so it doesn't date the camera.

Unless they decide to limit the usage of the updated EVF to their newest bodies. You can't just assume there will be backwards compatibility. Particularly not with Sony.

Sep 12, 2012 at 06:55 AM

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p.26 #19 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (fixed lens)

freaklikeme wrote:
douglasf13 wrote:
Dergiman wrote:
How it could be better? EVF built in! Now it seems you have to choose between using a finder and external flash. Can´t image to use the rear display while outside using the leaf shutter and synching studio strobes.

Sep 12, 2012 at 06:58 AM

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p.26 #20 · Sony RX1 FF Mirrorless (fixed lens)

$3400 for body & evf

Hmmmm...

Sep 12, 2012 at 07:00 AM

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