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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Next "Zeiss isn't any different" thread ...


I'm thinking that for the next round of insistence that "Zeiss (insert brand of choice) isn't any different than Canon (insert brand of choice)" ...

We should all just say "Yup, you're right. No difference at all."



Apr 17, 2012 at 05:34 PM
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And you needed a new thread to say that? Well, let's give it some girth at least:

There are three lenses posted here:

One of them is the Zeiss 21/2.8 which EVERYONE says is the best WA lens on the planet - peroid. $1,800 new
One of them is the Nikkor AF-S DX 18-70/3.5G IF ED which people who shoot APS-C Nikons say is OK-ish. $200 new
And one of them is the Pentax 18-55/3.5 SMC AL (ver 1) which only a few Pentax users know is awesome. $100 new

All set to 21mm at f/4.5 to make it as fair as possible and all with no preferential processing at all - basically SOOC conversions - saved as JPegs from ACR without ever entering PS. All using a tripod and taken within a 2min. time span!

Tell me which one is which - if you can... Muahahahaaa.
SET ONE
http://tesselator.gpmod.com/Images/Temporary/3-21s_guess_me/_1030709.JPG
http://tesselator.gpmod.com/Images/Temporary/3-21s_guess_me/_1030710.JPG
http://tesselator.gpmod.com/Images/Temporary/3-21s_guess_me/_1030711.JPG





Apr 17, 2012 at 06:06 PM
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SET TWO

http://tesselator.gpmod.com/Images/Temporary/3-21s_guess_me/_1030719.JPG
http://tesselator.gpmod.com/Images/Temporary/3-21s_guess_me/_1030720.JPG
http://tesselator.gpmod.com/Images/Temporary/3-21s_guess_me/_1030721.JPG



Apr 17, 2012 at 06:09 PM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Next "Zeiss isn't any different" thread ...


Having owned the Zeiss 21/2.8 and Nikon 18-70, I can't tell the difference between the 3 up there. You must be cheating, Bifurcator


Apr 17, 2012 at 06:10 PM
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SET THREE

http://tesselator.gpmod.com/Images/Temporary/3-21s_guess_me/_1030725.JPG
http://tesselator.gpmod.com/Images/Temporary/3-21s_guess_me/_1030726.JPG
http://tesselator.gpmod.com/Images/Temporary/3-21s_guess_me/_1030727.JPG




Apr 17, 2012 at 06:10 PM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Next "Zeiss isn't any different" thread ...


No cheating at all! I'll supply the RAW images if you like.




Apr 17, 2012 at 06:11 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Next "Zeiss isn't any different" thread ...


2 & 2 zeiss ?


Apr 17, 2012 at 06:15 PM
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Bifurcator wrote:
And you needed a new thread to say that? Well, let's give it some girth at least:

There are three lenses posted here:

One of them is the Zeiss 21/2.8 which EVERYONE says is the best WA lens on the planet - peroid. $1,800 new
One of them is the Nikkor AF-S DX 18-70/3.5G IF ED which people who shoot APS-C Nikons say is OK-ish. $200 new
And one of them is the Pentax 18-55/3.5 SMC AL (ver 1) which only a few Pentax users know is awesome. $100 new

All set to 21mm at f/4.5 to make it as fair as possible and all
Apr 17, 2012 at 06:17 PM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Next "Zeiss isn't any different" thread ...


Double post

Edited on Apr 17, 2012 at 06:19 PM · View previous versions



Apr 17, 2012 at 06:18 PM
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The Zeiss is probably 2, possibly 1, and potentially 3 if you have a really crummy adapter.

I think this brings us to a FM top tip: if you have an m4/3rds camera don't bother with Zeiss primes.

Im not going to pretend I see much value in comparing a full frame coverage lens on anything other than a full frame body. Or buying a 1800 dollar lens for such a camera in the first place.



Apr 17, 2012 at 06:18 PM
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Wild guess with the emphasis on "guess" that #1 is the Zeiss


Apr 17, 2012 at 06:27 PM
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SET FOUR

http://tesselator.gpmod.com/Images/Temporary/3-21s_guess_me/_1030715.JPG
http://tesselator.gpmod.com/Images/Temporary/3-21s_guess_me/_1030716.JPG
http://tesselator.gpmod.com/Images/Temporary/3-21s_guess_me/_1030717.JPG


Apr 17, 2012 at 06:39 PM
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SET FIVE

http://tesselator.gpmod.com/Images/Temporary/3-21s_guess_me/_1030722.JPG
http://tesselator.gpmod.com/Images/Temporary/3-21s_guess_me/_1030723.JPG
http://tesselator.gpmod.com/Images/Temporary/3-21s_guess_me/_1030724.JPG




Apr 17, 2012 at 06:41 PM
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i like #2 best in the first set, haven't looked at the rest yet. but i haven't used any of the lenses and don't have any particular desire to get any of them either.


Apr 17, 2012 at 06:41 PM
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SET SIX
http://tesselator.gpmod.com/Images/Temporary/3-21s_guess_me/_1030728.JPG
http://tesselator.gpmod.com/Images/Temporary/3-21s_guess_me/_1030729.JPG
http://tesselator.gpmod.com/Images/Temporary/3-21s_guess_me/_1030730.JPG


Apr 17, 2012 at 06:42 PM
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SET SEVEN

http://tesselator.gpmod.com/Images/Temporary/3-21s_guess_me/_1030734.JPG
http://tesselator.gpmod.com/Images/Temporary/3-21s_guess_me/_1030737.JPG
http://tesselator.gpmod.com/Images/Temporary/3-21s_guess_me/_1030739.JPG

last set


Apr 17, 2012 at 06:44 PM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · Next "Zeiss isn't any different" thread ...


Guessing Template:


Set One:
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Set Two:
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Set Five:
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Set Six:
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Set Seven:
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Apr 17, 2012 at 06:46 PM
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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · Next "Zeiss isn't any different" thread ...


redisburning wrote:
I think this brings us to a FM top tip: if you have an m4/3rds camera don't bother with Zeiss primes.

Im not going to pretend I see much value in comparing a full frame coverage lens on anything other than a full frame body. Or buying a 1800 dollar lens for such a camera in the first place.


That's a total cop out for not being good enough to tell. I can in almost every example without even having to look at my key. It's pretty obvious is some of the sets - if you know what you're doing. But I will agree that the zeiss would take a more obvious lead if this were all FF lenses being tested on a FF sensor. But not that much more. The differences here are pretty close to the differences one would see if comparing FF lenses of similar ilk on a FF sensor. Is the difference worth the money? Everyone has to answer that for themselves. Probably people shooting a µ4/3 camera are concerned with $money$ and budgets more-so than FF shooters so for many µ4/3 shooters and even many APS-C shooters, the price won't be worth the slightly better IQ.



RustyBug wrote:
chopping out the portions of where the differences are most evident ... hardly constitutes a "fair as possible" comparison.


It's as fair as possible for us crop shooters. And we're the majority here I believe!




Apr 17, 2012 at 07:13 PM
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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · Next "Zeiss isn't any different" thread ...


Bifurcator wrote:
It's as fair as possible for us crop shooters. And we're the majority here I believe!



Gotcha ... Icebergs vs. Ice Cubes.

"Yup, you're right. No difference at all."


Edited on Apr 17, 2012 at 10:26 PM · View previous versions



Apr 17, 2012 at 07:21 PM
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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · Next "Zeiss isn't any different" thread ...


hehehe... See I knew ya got me!



Apr 17, 2012 at 07:24 PM
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