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p.1 #1 · 24TS-E or 17TS-E for landscapes?


What would/do you prefer and why? I am contemplating getting one of these... but which?! I borrowed a 17-40 over the weekend and loved the width, though it definately lacked some sharpness in the corners. Previously I was used to shooting no wider than 24.

What other UWA's are recommended?

Thanks for the input.


Jan 30, 2012 at 09:16 PM
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p.1 #2 · 24TS-E or 17TS-E for landscapes?


17TS-E with a 1.4x TC for when you need to go less wide.


Jan 30, 2012 at 09:19 PM
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p.1 #3 · 24TS-E or 17TS-E for landscapes?


24 any day. When fully shifted on FF the 24 can give you a pano with effective horizontal fov of a 14.8mm lens, more than wide enough IMO. The 24 can also easily use filters unlike the 17. I think a 24 TS-E paired with a 17-40L is a nice combo.


Jan 30, 2012 at 09:25 PM
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p.1 #4 · 24TS-E or 17TS-E for landscapes?


Both

17 TSE (3 shot pano)


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17 TSE (3 shot pano)


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17 TSE (3 shot pano)


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Check out Scott's thread about the 17tse/14-24 etc..has lots of pics in it.


Jan 30, 2012 at 09:29 PM
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p.1 #5 · 24TS-E or 17TS-E for landscapes?


^^^^^


Jan 30, 2012 at 09:38 PM
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p.1 #6 · 24TS-E or 17TS-E for landscapes?


I have the TS-E 24/3.5L II, Zeiss Distagon 21/2.8 ZE and Samyang 14/2.8 UMC. They're all fantastic. The ZE and UMC have 'moustache' distortion that can be ignored for some subjects and can be fixed using PTLens for other subjects.

I'll probably get a TS-E 17/4L someday, but I'm OK for now. The Samyang UMC costs only about $300 before S&T. It's an incredible bargain.


Jan 30, 2012 at 09:49 PM
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p.1 #7 · 24TS-E or 17TS-E for landscapes?


I have the 14mm II, 17mm TS-E, and the 16-35mm II. All three are killer lenses. I haven’t shot with a 24 TS-E II, but it’s supposed to be unbelievably sharp.

The 24 TS-E takes filters and the 17 TS-E does not, if you think that is something to consider; and both TS-E’s are manual focus.

If your only experience with wide lenses is your recent use of the 17-40 you might consider renting a couple of them (i.e. 14mm and 17mm TS-E) before spending big bucks on something you might not like. The 16-35 II is very close to the 17-40 width but a much better lens IMO.

Hope that helps.


Jan 30, 2012 at 09:51 PM
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p.1 #8 · 24TS-E or 17TS-E for landscapes?


I have the same issue!

Have the chance to buy a great used 17tse , currently shooting on crop.

I will move to FF in the next 6 months though and more often shoot at 17mm (27mm)

The filter issue with the 17 puts me off.

I'll probably end up with 17-40L, mebe the 14UMC, and one of the two TSE's

How easy is it to stitch TSE shifted images, I understand you need to move the camera rather than the lens when shifting? How is that acheived?


Jan 30, 2012 at 10:06 PM
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p.1 #9 · 24TS-E or 17TS-E for landscapes?


Sunny, you show-off! :-) I would too, if I had taken those images, they are sublime!

Thanks for the input everyone. I was aware of the Samyang, and thinking seriously about it as well if I got the 24. At that price I could buy the 24TS-E and the Samyang for the price of the 17TS-E. Sigh. Still a dilemma, but an enjoyable one.
Jan 30, 2012 at 10:09 PM
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p.1 #10 · 24TS-E or 17TS-E for landscapes?


Thanks Ryan

here is the thread
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1063339/0?keyword=14-24#10110369

lots of good discussion in there.


Jan 30, 2012 at 10:15 PM
 



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p.1 #11 · 24TS-E or 17TS-E for landscapes?


I have the same set of lenses as Jim C., and that works very well. But I also like the 16-35 II very much, and that would probably be my top choice for general shooting and landscape. The TS-E's would be my choice for architecture/landscape. My 16-35 and 14 UMC get more use than my 24 TS-E by as small margin. My ZE 21/2.8 gets the least use of the bunch. The 17 TS-E is on my list for future purchase.

Good luck deciding!


Jan 30, 2012 at 10:15 PM
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p.1 #12 · 24TS-E or 17TS-E for landscapes?


The 17mm TSE is very versatile. You basically can achieve 10mm or 13mm focal length by shifting it depending on the camera orientation. That is unique to this lens!
Here is the breakdown:

17mm TS-E
10mm (Pano... 2 frames shot in landscape orientation and shifted horizontally -12 and +12)
13mm (About 40MP file... 3 frames shot in portrait orientation and shifted horizontally -12mm, 0, +12mm)

24mm TS-E II
14mm (Pano... 2 frames shot in landscape orientation and shifted horizontally -12 and +12)
18mm (About 40MP file... 3 frames shot in portrait orientation and shifted horizontally -12mm, 0, +12mm)

The 24mm TS-E II coupled with the 1.4x extender yields excellent images quality (better than 17TSE and 1.4x). You would get an extra 35mm TSE.

Getting the 2 TS-Es and the extender would give you angles of view possibilities from 10mm to 35mm!
Add the 70-200mm f/4L IS and you are set.

I took this picture a few days ago using the 24mm TS-E II tilted with a medium aperture. I think it was f/5.6 or close to that.








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Jan 30, 2012 at 10:28 PM
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p.1 #13 · 24TS-E or 17TS-E for landscapes?


I look forward to updating my 24 TS-E but in no hurry. Would love the 17 TS-E too, some day.

24 TS-E (old version) in portrait orientation 3 shot stitched pano:

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Same 24 TS-E in landscape orientation 3 shot stitched pano: (Color balance is a little off here )

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Following 2 shots are from 45 TS-E in landscape orientation 3 shot stitched pano:

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90 TS-E hand-held quick grab:

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Jan 30, 2012 at 10:59 PM
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p.1 #14 · 24TS-E or 17TS-E for landscapes?


Pixel Perfect wrote:
24 any day. When fully shifted on FF the 24 can give you a pano with effective horizontal fov of a 14.8mm lens, more than wide enough IMO. The 24 can also easily use filters unlike the 17. I think a 24 TS-E paired with a 17-40L is a nice combo.

+1: I fully agree. I admit that I never used the II version of the 24 T/S, but even the old version works perfect for me for landscapes. For landscapes I am always with the 24 T/S and the 17-40!


Jan 31, 2012 at 12:24 AM
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p.1 #15 · 24TS-E or 17TS-E for landscapes?


I have used both, but find that the 24mm focal length fits my vision much more frequently than the 17mm. I find this a very personal matter of artistic taste, as the 17 mm focal length will usually include much more foreground. A minor limitation is that the 17 TSE does not take filters due to its bulbous front element. The image quality is both TSE lenses is quite exceptional, particularly the 24 TSE II, which is crisp to the corners with negligible CA.
Another equipment issue is that to get these very low angle shots with tilt you need a tripod that can hold the camera only a few inches from the ground, and very few tripods will do that. The other issue not mentioned in this thread is that while adjusting shift can be done with a viewfinder, fine adjusting both tilt and focus when close to the ground can be really quite difficult. Live View 5-10X really a necessity; I wouldn't consider tilt use without magnified Live View.

I use the 24 TSE II quite a lot and am very pleased with the results.


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Jan 31, 2012 at 12:53 AM
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p.1 #16 · 24TS-E or 17TS-E for landscapes?


Mike K wrote:
I have used both, but find that the 24mm focal length fits my vision much more frequently than the 17mm. I find this a very personal matter of artistic taste, as the 17 mm focal length will usually include much more foreground. A minor limitation is that the 17 TSE does not take filters due to its bulbous front element. The image quality is both TSE lenses is quite exceptional, particularly the 24 TSE II, which is crisp to the corners with negligible CA.
Another equipment issue is that to get these very low angle shots with tilt you need a tripod that can hold the camera only a few inches from the ground, and very few tripods will do that. The other issue not mentioned in this thread is that while adjusting shift can be done with a viewfinder, fine adjusting both tilt and focus when close to the ground can be really quite difficult. Live View 5-10X really a necessity; I wouldn't consider tilt use without magnified Live View.

Mike K

The Joby SLR tripod is a great companion to your regular tripod. It let's you get on the floor quickly.
http://joby.com/gorillapod/slrzoom/


Jan 31, 2012 at 01:37 AM
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p.1 #17 · 24TS-E or 17TS-E for landscapes?


How easy is it to stitch TSE shifted images, I understand you need to move the camera rather than the lens when shifting? How is that achieved in practice?


Jan 31, 2012 at 01:43 AM
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p.1 #18 · 24TS-E or 17TS-E for landscapes?


I used the 24 II + 5DII on the Oregon coast in September 2011, and it was usually too wide shooting sea stacks.

I'm seriously considering the EX 2.0 III to narrow down the angle (and also to use on a 1.6 crop to give me four focal lengths).

If I ever need wider than 24, I can shift and pano stitch.

How wide is wide enough seem a bit like "how high is up?"

Glenn

EDIT: Just saw Rob Dickinson's post. It's my understanding that shifting alone will work - no camera movement. Correct me if I'm wrong.


Jan 31, 2012 at 01:44 AM
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p.1 #19 · 24TS-E or 17TS-E for landscapes?


^^^^
Love the Crissy Field shot, can almost smell the sea-weed.

I use a minolta Angle finder with my TS-E lenses(for fine-tuning focus with magnification) but FF camera with 60D/T3i style live view screen would be awesome for these lenses some day.


Jan 31, 2012 at 01:49 AM
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p.1 #20 · 24TS-E or 17TS-E for landscapes?


RobDickinson wrote:
How easy is it to stitch TSE shifted images, I understand you need to move the camera rather than the lens when shifting? How is that achieved in practice?

I was going explain but someone else has already done that a while back so I'll just point you to it.

Digital Outback Photo article

Stitching in software is very straight forward without parallax using TS-E lenses.


Jan 31, 2012 at 01:59 AM
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