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JesseShotland
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p.1 #1 · Square B&W Landscape - Thoughts?


Hello, any words (harsh or kind) would be greatly appreciated!

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Jan 08, 2012 at 04:36 AM
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p.1 #2 · Square B&W Landscape - Thoughts?


Jesse,

Couple of thoughts:

Might try cropping about 1/2 of the water at the bottom - the even 1/3 division, to me, detracts.

Why f2.2 and 1/3200sec? The resolution really suffers, at least on this laptop, especially in the tree line. Perhaps a crop up-sized is the problem?

The eye expects, and is drawn to, areas of focus (that is edges with sharp contrast) - frankly I do not see anything in focus, and oddly my eye is drawn to what appears to be someone standing on the riverbank.

I glanced through some of the other images in your portfolio - nice work - and I did not notice any glaring focus issues either.

Hope this helps,

Bob



Jan 08, 2012 at 01:04 PM
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p.1 #3 · Square B&W Landscape - Thoughts?


I suspect that the uploaded version doesnt do justice to your efforts. Its nice to see someone work with square crops.
I agree with Bob: I would have shot more stopped down, maybe f8 or so.
Clouds look oddly flat and lacking contrast, detail. Is that a processing effect or the challenge of wide dynamic range?
Possible two dust spots lower right?
Do you have an original to repost?

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Jan 08, 2012 at 02:01 PM
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p.1 #4 · Square B&W Landscape - Thoughts?


Cropped it to reduce the expanse of negative space that didn't sem to add any necessary info.

Tried to put a little detail back into as well as give it a slightly "cool" (vs. warm) dye job via duotone.

I like the leading lines that the white tree provides bringing you both left toward the man, and up toward the sky. It almost provides a touch of 'framing' to the man as well. It's interesting how well the man provides both an element of intrigue and a sense of scale in his diminutive prescence.

As to the f2.2 ... I think I understand that you were wanting the thin DOF to blur the river foreground, but that may have also been attainable by stopping down (resulting in a sharper image) and using a slower shutter speed to induce motion blur of the river rather than DOF blur of nearly wide open. Similarly, using a lower ISO would have resulted in letting you use a slower shutter speed as well.

With respect to attaining a sharp image in conjunction with a slow shutter speed, obviously a tripod is beneficial, but even without one, the relative distance difference between the near river and the far bank could work out fine even for handheld. The close moving water would be more effected by the slow shutter speed, whereas the distant subject less so.







Jan 08, 2012 at 03:22 PM
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p.1 #5 · Square B&W Landscape - Thoughts?


works well +1


Jan 08, 2012 at 04:33 PM
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p.1 #6 · Square B&W Landscape - Thoughts?


Thank you so much guys! What I'm getting from this is that even on an 85mm I can stop down a lor more and still have DOF. As for the clouds, I didn't have a gad ND filter and the 5D has a pretty bad dynamic range. Did my best!

I will try this shot again sometime.

Thank you all again,
I don't take your words lightly.




Jan 08, 2012 at 06:33 PM
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p.1 #7 · Square B&W Landscape - Thoughts?


The 5D actually has one of the longer dynamic ranges but no digital sensor can handle a backlit scene with one exposure.

The square crop works OK for me given that the focal point figure is in the middle between the two trees that frames him. All together it creates a tunneling effect that pulls attention to the center. That said I don't find it very compelling as a landscape / scenery shot and the figure in the background because he's too small and it's too dark to see and understand what he's doing leaving me wondering what it's about.

It would work better as an establishing shot in a series, followed by medium shots and close-up background figure.



Jan 08, 2012 at 07:14 PM
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p.1 #8 · Square B&W Landscape - Thoughts?


cgardner wrote:
The 5D actually has one of the longer dynamic ranges


Wait, really? I read somewhere it could handle about 11 stops, where as cheaper canon crop cameras can do 12ish. Isn't there a Pentax that can do 14? Also, the 5D doesn't shoot in 14bit, so shadows are a joke :/



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p.1 #9 · Square B&W Landscape - Thoughts?


Take two or three images at different exposures and combine them to expand the dynamic range.


Jan 08, 2012 at 07:49 PM
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p.1 #10 · Square B&W Landscape - Thoughts?


Yeah, I wanted to, but I didn't have a tripod.


Jan 08, 2012 at 07:53 PM
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p.1 #11 · Square B&W Landscape - Thoughts?


If you set the camera to take automatic bracket shots in a burst and hold reasonably still you can get away without a tripod. PS can align them for HDR processing. From the 5D's menu, scroll to AEB (Auto Exposure Bracketing) and use the wheel on the back to select the bracket width.



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Jan 08, 2012 at 07:56 PM
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p.1 #12 · Square B&W Landscape - Thoughts?


Tried bracketing. Thoughts anyone?



f/7.1, ISO 1600, 5D



Jan 08, 2012 at 11:50 PM
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p.1 #13 · Square B&W Landscape - Thoughts?


Couldn't get the hand-held exposure bracketed image alignment right in a Photoshop HDR experiment, but got Photomatix Pro to combine a couple of handheld Moon images to extend the dynamic range:





Moon - exposed for the face of the Moon







Moon - exposed for the clouds illuminated by the Moon







Moon and clouds combined by Photmatix Pro into an HDR image




Jan 09, 2012 at 09:14 AM
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p.1 #14 · Square B&W Landscape - Thoughts?


Would like to see the originals in both ... would like to be able to distinguish between capture issues vs. PP issues.


Jan 09, 2012 at 01:37 PM
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p.1 #15 · Square B&W Landscape - Thoughts?


I don't sem to be using PhotoMatix Pro right. Everytime I do I get tons of noise.


Jan 09, 2012 at 07:25 PM
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p.1 #16 · Square B&W Landscape - Thoughts?


I played around with it a while and only the fusion version seemed useable, but I confess I know very little about Photomatix. It's one of those software products such as Lightroom I have but haven't yet bothered to actually learn.


Jan 10, 2012 at 08:11 PM





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