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Archive 2011 · 85 f/1.2 L II = Not worth it.

  
 
Tom K.
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p.1 #1 · 85 f/1.2 L II = Not worth it.


The 85mm f1.2L II will cost you $20,122.

The interesting and thought provoking short article at the link below explains it all:

http://goo.gl/3WKfq



Nov 20, 2011 at 02:34 AM
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p.1 #2 · 85 f/1.2 L II = Not worth it.


Tom K. wrote:
The 85mm f1.2L II will cost you $20,122.

The interesting and thought provoking short article at the link below explains it all:

http://goo.gl/3WKfq


The 85L will probably go up more than the money put in a savings acct...
the 85/1.8 on the other hand, although an excellent lens in its own right, will not be worth anything at that time.

But who knows?

As they say, past performance is not a guarantee of future profits




Nov 20, 2011 at 02:49 AM
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p.1 #3 · 85 f/1.2 L II = Not worth it.


It's based on some questionable ideas, including the idea that the 85/1.8 is just as good as the 85/1.2.

I own both, and it isn't



Nov 20, 2011 at 02:55 AM
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p.1 #4 · 85 f/1.2 L II = Not worth it.


8%...................where?!?!?!?! please tell me


Nov 20, 2011 at 02:58 AM
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p.1 #5 · 85 f/1.2 L II = Not worth it.


Some of the comments under the linked article are also quite interesting.


Nov 20, 2011 at 02:58 AM
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p.1 #6 · 85 f/1.2 L II = Not worth it.


sqdstf wrote:
8%...................where?!?!?!?! please tell me


Pretty easy to get with a smart mix of stocks and bonds. We're talking long term here.



Nov 20, 2011 at 03:01 AM
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p.1 #7 · 85 f/1.2 L II = Not worth it.


Very silly blog post. 8% average return every year? Before inflation-adjustment, I presume. Even then, I'd like to know where you can safely get 8% average return, for 30 years straight :-)

More to the point, though. I'm not arguing against the fact that the 85 f1.8 might be a better investment than a 85L. I own the 85L, and while I often love the results it produces, it's hard to forget that this lens is a One Trick Pony: It does portraits very well, better than any generalist lens, but not much else is going for it.



Nov 20, 2011 at 03:04 AM
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p.1 #8 · 85 f/1.2 L II = Not worth it.


I don't know.... by posting sample images in 650 x 438 pixels and claiming A is as good as B or A is much better than B or whatnot is not very convincing. My outdated Canon PowerShot S200 (also much el-cheapo than his Canon 85mm f1.8), with some creativity (if the power button still work), will produce images as good (if not better) as those posted in that resolution.

My advice to him is to post 100% crop images for comparison, at the very least, to convince the readers.

I am lucky he is not my financial advisor



Nov 20, 2011 at 03:25 AM
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p.1 #9 · 85 f/1.2 L II = Not worth it.


That there is a pro-level troll, right on the level of a certain village idiot with initials KR.

Okay, let me first say, however, that the argument is not entirely without merit. And as someone who has owned both and used both extensively, I can say that the 85/1.8 is better than the 85/1.2L II for certain things. But the blog post makes some very flawed assumptions and uses questionable mathematics in a sensationalistic manner.

First of all, just because he doesn't see a need to shoot at f/1.2, doesn't mean that there is never a reason to. That's a common egocentrism--"I don't need/want it, therefore nobody else does."

Second, the calculation is stupid, pointless, and presumptuous. 8% return on any investment is HUGE by today's standards, unless you're willing to speculate. 30-year risk free at 8%? Someone has a very deluded view of interest rates. And who is to say that money would not go toward something else, or that purchasing an 85L wouldn't result in its own effects on income? And if indeed you could get 8%, then by extension of such reasoning, you'd be best off not buying a single piece of camera gear and investing every penny you earn. Claiming that this lens will cost you $20k over 30 years is just so ridiculously, absurdly, blatantly STUPID, that I can't even imagine KR would dare to say something like that.

Third, the 85L is in fact sharper than the 85/1.8. I should know, I've shot with both. What that dumbass doesn't realize is that in mentioning the MTF charts, he revealed his ignorance. The Canon MTF charts are drawn at two f-numbers: the maximum aperture, and at f/8. At f/8, both lenses will be sharp, because just about any decent lens will be sharp. And nobody buys an 85L solely to shoot at f/8. But then we see that the 85L is measured at f/1.2 whereas the 85/1.8 is measured at f/1.8. Of course the latter will look better than the former. You can only compare at the same f-number. And if this idiot was referring to third-party reviews of these lenses, the data is variable due to inconsistent or flawed methodology. What most people report is that at comparable apertures, color rendition is slightly better with the 85L.

Finally, my personal experience with both lenses shows that although the 85L is slower to AF, it is significantly better to AF in low light than the 85/1.8, which often ends up hunting or missing focus entirely.

Anyone who has read my past posts on the topic of 85L vs. 85/1.8 knows full well that I am not some blind fanatic of the L. It does have disadvantages. It is NOT an easy lens to use; it is extremely demanding of the photographer, and it is not a lens I would recommend to anyone but those photographers who have a very clear and specific idea of how the 85L would address their shooting needs in ways that the 85/1.8 would not. I have said in the past that the 85L is a lens that is widely misunderstood. Many people covet this lens. Quite a number of them buy it simply because of its status, only to realize they don't really need it, or would be better served with something else, because it is a specialist design.

But to make the sensationalistic arguments that this blog entry makes is not only laughable, it's easy to see that the author doesn't really "get it." He's like a 7 year-old who thinks he understands what he's talking about, so he goes mouthing off and talking authoritatively on a subject only to end up embarrassing himself.



Nov 20, 2011 at 03:37 AM
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p.1 #10 · 85 f/1.2 L II = Not worth it.


Looks like he achieved his goal--got the whole community talking!!


Nov 20, 2011 at 03:39 AM
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p.1 #11 · 85 f/1.2 L II = Not worth it.


lovinglife wrote:
Looks like he achieved his goal--got the whole community talking!!


That's what trolls do. Like I said, he's taken a page from the KR book of self-promotion. Foment controversy through sensationalism, make profit off of blog hits. Attention is attention.

The one thing I would say to him is this: you're not even a fraction as talented or knowledgeable as you think you are. That's why you're pulling this stunt, because you can't hack it as a real artist, so you have to create drama. Just like KR.



Nov 20, 2011 at 03:46 AM
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p.1 #12 · 85 f/1.2 L II = Not worth it.


Resale value is higher too; depreciation is what counts more. And in times like this where interest is low, it's not a bad thing to invest money if you can spare it. It's not doing much in your bank account anyway.


Nov 20, 2011 at 03:56 AM
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p.1 #13 · 85 f/1.2 L II = Not worth it.


Well it gave me a bit of a laugh this morning.

By his token maybe we should all sell all our gear and just use an iPhone or similar(hell they take decent images nowadays)
Then we can invest in one of his 8% bonds and all be millionaires in a few years. Then we can all buy some decent gear oh wait we won't need any decent gear as we will already have it

And 8% return What planet is he on . The climate we're in at the moment (and foreseeable future) you probably get a better return on you money if you stick it under the mattress.



Nov 20, 2011 at 03:57 AM
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p.1 #14 · 85 f/1.2 L II = Not worth it.


LensTip:
http://www.lenstip.com/189.4-Lens_review-Canon_EF_85_mm_f_1.2L_II_USM_Image_resolution.html
http://www.lenstip.com/291.4-Lens_review-Canon_EF_85_mm_f_1.8_USM_Image_resolution.html

TDP:
http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=397&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=2&LensComp=106&CameraComp=453&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0



Nov 20, 2011 at 04:06 AM
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p.1 #15 · 85 f/1.2 L II = Not worth it.


Don't you just love some smartass, unasked, trying to make a fool of you for doing what, where and when you want?

...think I'll just mount my 85L and go out shooting trash bins in Auto, S jpeg, no flash, dirty front element with no "protective" filter and handheld just in spite.



Nov 20, 2011 at 04:25 AM
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p.1 #16 · 85 f/1.2 L II = Not worth it.


I wonder how many of the applauders on his blog have since invested a couple of k in an 8% investment account, or will do.

I do think most seeing an image shot on the 1.8 wide open would not think to question it if told it had been shot on the L @ 1.2. If faster focus is important the cheaper lens can indeed be the better investment.

The 1.8 performed pretty well compared to the 1.2 in comparison shots by fm'ers in this old post https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/627078



Nov 20, 2011 at 04:55 AM
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p.1 #17 · 85 f/1.2 L II = Not worth it.


I guess that assumes you don't earn any money with the 85 II, and that your selected investment(s) actually do. Poor assumptions.


Nov 20, 2011 at 06:05 AM
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p.1 #18 · 85 f/1.2 L II = Not worth it.


I could spend every day drinking nothing but water and eating only the very basic foods I require to continue living. I could probably save $200,000 over my lifetime. But I choose not to. I am happy to spend my money on better tasting food because it brings me more utility, happiness and well being, even if the it's discretionary, non financial wastage.

The same goes for the 85 f/1.2LII. I have photos that could not have been taken by a 85 f/1.8 lens without a substantial increase in noise or DOF or other qualitative aspect. To me, that is worth the additional cost.



Nov 20, 2011 at 06:55 AM
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p.1 #19 · 85 f/1.2 L II = Not worth it.


Dawei Ye wrote:
I could spend every day drinking nothing but water and eating only the very basic foods I require to continue living. I could probably save $200,000 over my lifetime. But I choose not to. I am happy to spend my money on better tasting food because it brings me more utility, happiness and well being, even if the it's discretionary, non financial wastage.

The same goes for the 85 f/1.2LII. I have photos that could not have been taken by a 85 f/1.8 lens without a substantial increase in noise or DOF or other qualitative aspect. To me, that is
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I respect your first paragraph but i would love to see a single shot that could not be so closely copied with the 1.8 that without seeing the shots side by side anyone could tell the difference.

Not saying you are wrong but if you could post some examples that would be great.



Nov 20, 2011 at 09:47 AM
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p.1 #20 · 85 f/1.2 L II = Not worth it.


Marcus Watts wrote:
I respect your first paragraph but i would love to see a single shot that could not be so closely copied with the 1.8 that without seeing the shots side by side anyone could tell the difference.


Any shot taken at f/1.2. /thread



Nov 20, 2011 at 09:53 AM
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