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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · Versions? Voigtlander 125mm APO Lanthar SL


Hi,

seems like there exist different versions of this lens. One featuring an electronic
aperature (having no aperature ring) and one version which has a marked aperature
ring (and possibly no electronic aperature).

Is there any other sigignificant difference between them, like optical formula?

ty



Jul 10, 2011 at 12:55 PM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Versions? Voigtlander 125mm APO Lanthar SL


AFAIK, there are no optical differences, but several different mounts. Some of those mounts have a manual aperture and some like the EOS mount require an electronic aperture.


Jul 10, 2011 at 12:59 PM
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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · Versions? Voigtlander 125mm APO Lanthar SL


There's only one version in each mount as far as I'm aware. EF mount versions should all have the electronic aperture ring, versions with a manual ring would be in OM, F or K mounts (there's also an A mount version with no aperture ring, but it's the rarest version)


Jul 10, 2011 at 12:59 PM
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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · Versions? Voigtlander 125mm APO Lanthar SL


They're all SL (version I) lenses. There's also an M42 mount version, making this the list of mount options of which I'm aware:

A Sony (Minolta)
EF Canon
F Nikon
K Pentax
M42 Pentax
OM Olympus

CameraQuest describes most of these variants, http://cameraquest.com/Voigt%20SL.htm. The M42 version isn't mentioned here, but it's certainly around, as shown in the current auction for item 150628455301 (cited earlier by nixland, in http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1007318).

Edited on Jul 10, 2011 at 01:34 PM · View previous versions



Jul 10, 2011 at 01:22 PM
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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · Versions? Voigtlander 125mm APO Lanthar SL


And OM mount is also available.


Jul 10, 2011 at 01:25 PM
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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · Versions? Voigtlander 125mm APO Lanthar SL


mawz wrote:
And OM mount is also available.


You're right. Thanks. I'll edit my post.



Jul 10, 2011 at 01:34 PM
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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · Versions? Voigtlander 125mm APO Lanthar SL


Thanks,

there is also a Contax/Yashica mount available. Does anybody know if
there is enough mirror clearance on a 5D Mark II when mounted with one
of these cheapo CY-to-EF evilbay adapters?



Jul 10, 2011 at 02:57 PM
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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · Versions? Voigtlander 125mm APO Lanthar SL


i've seen a minolta MD mount one with an aperture ring on ebay before as well.


Jul 10, 2011 at 04:12 PM
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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · Versions? Voigtlander 125mm APO Lanthar SL


I believe there is also an FD mount version.


Jul 10, 2011 at 04:34 PM
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See the fourth entry from the top for the list of what was made:

http://forum.mflenses.com/voigtlaender-sl-apo-lanthar-serials-and-production-volumes-t24547,start,150.html

The thread contains a trove of information on the CV125 that was started to estimate production numbers for the rare optic by logging serial numbers and mount types. Cosina has never been forthcoming about production numbers.



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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · Versions? Voigtlander 125mm APO Lanthar SL


By the way there are 2 more on eBay right now, the Nikon Ai-s mount and another M42 (buy now, $1,849 ... ouch!!).
I still can not justify the price to buy one yet, because I rarely shot macro/small product right now, but I am still super curious to try one



Jul 11, 2011 at 12:15 AM
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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · Versions? Voigtlander 125mm APO Lanthar SL


Are these lenses like the Zeiss 100 ZE in that they can do infinity equally as well as macro?
-Jim



Jul 11, 2011 at 12:19 AM
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Jim Schemel wrote:
Are these lenses like the Zeiss 100 ZE in that they can do infinity equally as well as macro?
-Jim


Yes, indeed.
AND it is genuinely apochromatic without the bothersome out-of-focus color fringing of the Z* 100, AND has a flat field, making it great for stitching images AND a bokeh that dissolves away into a creamy, delicate blur AND does skin tones with such startling grace AND renders colors true AND out-resolves the sensor of my D700 by a wide margin, reportedly doing the same on a D3x.

Otherwise, why would people drop $2200 and up for a purely macro lens?

nixland wrote:
I rarely shot macro/small product right now.


See above....

nixland wrote:
I still can not justify the price to buy one yet...but I am still super curious to try one


This lens has been the subject of much speculation over the years as to an eventual SL II version. As best as I can divine, the prevailing opinion across the photo blogosphere is that it would directly compete with the Zeiss 100 in a fashion unlike any other Voigtländer lens of a similar FL to a Zeiss and as such, renders it less likely to see the light of day. If this turns out to be the case, the price of existing lenses, like that of the extinct NOCT Nikkor, will only rise.



Jul 11, 2011 at 02:38 AM
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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · Versions? Voigtlander 125mm APO Lanthar SL


Jim Schemel wrote:
Are these lenses like the Zeiss 100 ZE in that they can do infinity equally as well as macro?
-Jim


They probably are, but they are no substitute for the Zeiss 100/2 if you want the characteristic Zeiss pop. Probably closer in character to the Mamiya 645 A 120/4 macro. Don't you still have the Sigma 150/2.8, by the way?



Jul 11, 2011 at 06:21 AM
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p.1 #15 · p.1 #15 · Versions? Voigtlander 125mm APO Lanthar SL


While it is correct that the ZF 100/2 exhibits some "color fringing" in particular high contrast scenes, but reversely the Voigt 125 is less sharp wide open even though it is an f2.5 v f2 for the ZF100/2.
In fact, the Voigt 125/2.5 is outright soft compared to the ZF100/2 at f2 and f2.5!

The APO 100/2.8 beats both the Voigt 125 and the ZF100 in Bokeh, skin tones and general IQ, added to the fact that it is the sharpest!

Testing the 3 lenses wide open in their native aperture and at f2.8 for uniformity: APO100 - Zeiss100 - Voigt125 has shown the APO100 coming tops followed by the Zeiss100 and trailing last is the Voigt125

If you want a lens with fantastic Bokeh and IQ, then it is the APO100.
If you want a lens with 3d pop and a great lens at infinity, then it is the Zeiss100.
If you want a lens with 1:1 Macro and an ugly hood, then it is the Voigt125.

As to why people are ready to pay USD2200 for the Voigt 125? It is about supply and demand coupled with the fact that some photographers praise the Voigt125 for it's Macro ability without having really tested the 3 lenses side by side!

Is it another Urban Legend in the making?




Jul 11, 2011 at 07:00 AM
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p.1 #16 · p.1 #16 · Versions? Voigtlander 125mm APO Lanthar SL


Thanks for the enlightment Liam.
An encouragement for me to bid higher with more confident next time. Last time I joined the bidding on eBay, I don't have guts to bid above $1,000



j.liam wrote:
Yes, indeed.
AND it is genuinely apochromatic without the bothersome out-of-focus color fringing of the Z* 100, AND has a flat field, making it great for stitching images AND a bokeh that dissolves away into a creamy, delicate blur AND does skin tones with such startling grace AND renders colors true AND out-resolves the sensor of my D700 by a wide margin, reportedly doing the same on a D3x.

Otherwise, why would people drop $2200 and up for a purely macro lens?

See above....

This lens has been the subject of much speculation over the years as to an eventual SL II
...Show more



Jul 11, 2011 at 07:01 AM
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p.1 #17 · p.1 #17 · Versions? Voigtlander 125mm APO Lanthar SL


Almass wrote:
While it is correct that the ZF 100/2 exhibits some "color fringing" in particular high contrast scenes, but reversely the Voigt 125 is less sharp wide open even though it is an f2.5 v f2 for the ZF100/2.
In fact, the Voigt 125/2.5 is outright soft compared to the ZF100/2 at f2 and f2.5!

The APO 100/2.8 beats both the Voigt 125 and the ZF100 in Bokeh, skin tones and general IQ, added to the fact that it is the sharpest!

Testing the 3 lenses wide open in their native aperture and at f2.8 for uniformity: APO100 - Zeiss100 - Voigt125 has shown
...Show more

honestly, having looked at hundreds (maybe thousands) of images from all three, i would say that the voigtlander has better bokeh (non macro distances – they all have good macro bokeh) and better corrections for loCA than either of the other lenses. i'm sure you are correct about sharpness though. never having shot with any of them myself though, it may just be that i'm drawing too many conclusions from not properly controlled comparisons. or maybe it's just a matter of taste. in any event, should i ever find a sub $1000 voigtlander i would buy it in a second. the same cannot be said for the leica or zeiss. sadly i'm not willing to spend more than that on such a specialty lens, so i'm afraid i'll just have to survive on a tamron 90/2.5 unless i encounter a real bargain.



Jul 11, 2011 at 07:31 AM
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p.1 #18 · p.1 #18 · Versions? Voigtlander 125mm APO Lanthar SL


By the way I wonder why the CA of V125 is higher than Zeiss on slrlensreview.com macro lens test.

http://slrlensreview.com/web/benchmarks-resources-131/134-macro-challenge/521-macro-challenge-part-1.html



Jul 11, 2011 at 08:02 AM
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p.1 #19 · p.1 #19 · Versions? Voigtlander 125mm APO Lanthar SL


nixland wrote:
By the way I wonder why the CA of V125 is higher than Zeiss on slrlensreview.com macro lens test.

http://slrlensreview.com/web/benchmarks-resources-131/134-macro-challenge/521-macro-challenge-part-1.html


Thank you for the link to the review.

Two comments:

1- It is not clear which camera brand was used for the test and I assume it is Canon, in which case it would have been interesting to know which mount was used for the APO100 which brings up the second comment.

2- They state that the Bokeh is subjective, which is fine, and that the APO100 has the "harshest" Bokeh. I disagree with this statement and my own test showed that the APO100 has the smoothest Bokeh.
It is self defeating for the Voigt125 to be less sharp in the center and even more soft in the corners. What is required is a sharp center and smooth transition to the borders.

I used Nikon for my test with a Nikon Voigt125 Ais mount. The APO100 used a Leitax mount and the Zeiss100 was a ZF2. Does this combination produce different results? Maybe.

Let's put the matter to rest, all shot with a Nikon D3s and locked tripod. The tripod was moved to cater for the Voigt 125 same framing .

Starting with the pic of the three lenses for the St Thomas's:























Jul 11, 2011 at 09:18 AM
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p.1 #20 · p.1 #20 · Versions? Voigtlander 125mm APO Lanthar SL


Center Crops



















Jul 11, 2011 at 09:26 AM
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